06 450r vs. 05yfz450 [Archive]

hndabestonearth

09-22-2005, 09:41 PM

only thing rancid here is your made up stories in your posts, when someone actually makes an 06 450r pipe, then we will believe you, actually we probably won't because you've just lost your credability. All I have is an HRC in my 04 and a yfz with a complete pipe doesn't even beat me, we go along even top speed and acceleration, with the extensive improvements to the 06 it will be that much faster than both of them.

What did you just buy a polaris outlaw or something, jealous of the new 450r? lol haha

Punk'd

09-22-2005, 09:44 PM

Rancid......... You just mite be a redneck

rancid

09-23-2005, 05:25 AM

theres a reason the company is called cpi, custom pipes inc. i really dont care if you beleive me. when me and my buddys go to the dunes in a couple weeks i will get some pics of the honda still getting beat. i never said its a bad qaud theres things i do like better on the 450r but just stating the yfz is still faster and i dont think that means its a better qaud just fits what i want to do more. as soon as you honda guys got the pics and specs you started posting crap stating the 06 450r is going to kick the yfz,s ***. why send posts like that if its allready faster. these posts are just to get you guys going. it worked.

Jersey450R

09-23-2005, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by rancid
theres a reason the company is called cpi, custom pipes inc. i really dont care if you beleive me. when me and my buddys go to the dunes in a couple weeks i will get some pics of the honda still getting beat. i never said its a bad qaud theres things i do like better on the 450r but just stating the yfz is still faster and i dont think that means its a better qaud just fits what i want to do more. as soon as you honda guys got the pics and specs you started posting crap stating the 06 450r is going to kick the yfz,s ***. why send posts like that if its allready faster. these posts are just to get you guys going. it worked.

How are you going to compare a race in the dunes and have a logical explanation :confused:
Start out from a slow roll in 1st gear on the road and mash it, then post again. :p

MR.BIG

09-23-2005, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by rancid
well got to see a piped and 05 yfz beat a piped 06 450r 8 different times. the new 450r looks like a hell of alot better and a little faster though. both guys have rode for years so its pretty fair. mabey next year for honda.

First off you should write fairy tale stories for a living because you would be good at it. There isn't even a pipe available for the 06 450r yet. I have beat many yfz's with my 04 450r so I could careless about who's faster.

Jonas

09-23-2005, 10:36 AM

How about stock against stock with equal weight riders switching riders from bike to bike and racing again.

bwamos

09-23-2005, 10:52 AM

2 riders, 2 machines, open field, 100m markers, and a stopwatch.

10 runs on each machine for each rider.

Tally up the runs, drop the fastest and slowest time, take the average of the rest for each rider on each machine.

That's the best way to get a controlled test.

Jonas

09-23-2005, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by rancid
the muffler was intende to be used on a yfz but modded for the 450r, not saying it dont run good , yfz still has it there though.

You have got to understand that people are going to be a little sceptical of how even things were in your test when you put a yfz pipe on the 450r and considered it a fair test. Saying that anyone that questions your test is a Honda lover is a little off in my opinion. Thanks for the attemp though!;)

09-23-2005, 12:16 PM

CPI pipes suck!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/pab018a175eefd8a93279f926654fb28f/f71aaf06.jpg

YAY 3000 POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!

motox26

09-23-2005, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by rancid
well got to see a piped and 05 yfz beat a piped 06 450r 8 different times. the new 450r looks like a hell of alot better and a little faster though. both guys have rode for years so its pretty fair. mabey next year for honda.

My first post here fella's. And I already notice that you have idiots over here like in other atv forums.:huh

rancid

09-23-2005, 04:57 PM

ok after everyone gets there 06 450r pipes on then what will you say then when its still slower, wish mine was a 5 valve, wqish i had dual cams. all you honda guys came braggin to yfz central and on here when the 06 came out and through all this i dont know anybody yet with a honda thats proven this. i have found out that most honda guys will defend there qaud no matter what even if it means being a complete baby about it. you guys always talk, but dont like being takled back to to.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 08:18 PM

CPI Well there's a household name. With the week they have had for R&D I'm sure that pipe on the 06 450R is a real dandy.

exrider44

09-23-2005, 08:23 PM

Honda just makes a better quality bike anyway. Ive raced my 04 against yfz's they arent any faster. So how is the 06 slower then my 04? I say you are talking ga'bage!:D

Punk'd

09-23-2005, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by exrider44
Honda just makes a better quality bike anyway. Ive raced my 04 against yfz's they arent any faster. So how is the 06 slower then my 04? I say you are talking ga'bage!:D

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:28 PM

i have had the 450r before my yfz i liked thigs better about my 450r over the yfz, but i liked the lower stance and power better, and for me better power means harder hitting compared to the smoother power of the 450r if i wanted smooth i would have just kept riding my atk 450 just not enough aftermarket parts. you guys really are so sensitive.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 08:30 PM

It comes down to the rider. In the woods, I can still hang with and beat YZF450s and TRX450Rs with my stock 400EX. I've owned both Honda and Yamaha and the reason I ride red now is reliability.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 08:34 PM

Funny you should mention the word smooth. If you ask anybody that really knows anything about racing they will tell you that "Smooth is Fast".

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:35 PM

not saying there not a good qaud. just stating if you have = riders and same mods and riding conditions the yfz has more power to pull away.

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:36 PM

if smooth wins the race then the atk will take em if you have ever rode one im sure you would agree.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 08:40 PM

Rode one. Heck i've never even seen one. Hard to win races if your not at the races.

DRT

09-23-2005, 08:40 PM

LOL I hate these threads there so stupid.Why compare two quads in a drag race when most of us run MX or XC.My Cannondale can beat my brothers roll design 250r in a drag race.But on the track what handles and works better is what matters most.Who cares about what does what in a straight line.

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:43 PM

relax, its for fun can you say you never hammer it in a straitaway and try to beat you buddy. in this case my buddy being the guy on his 06 450r and me on my yfz and hes bragging up his 450r.

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:45 PM

well then you havent seen one then it must suck.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 08:47 PM

Never said or implied that. But really, if they were so good wouldnt everybody have one?

rancid

09-23-2005, 08:54 PM

atk is a very small company and dont have the funds for the advertising and production of parts to be very big. i have an o4 atk and very nice qaud just very limited on the aftermarket stuff but still really nice machine.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 09:00 PM

Thats the problem though. Why would you want a quad that you cant get any parts for. Aftermarket companies dont like to spend the time or $ to produce parts for a low production model like the ATK. Im sure its a decent quad, but is it worth the hassle?

400excracer

09-23-2005, 09:02 PM

Kind of funny how this tread changed so quickly. How did you end up buying an ATK in the first place?

rancid

09-23-2005, 09:09 PM

no i dont think its worth the hassle at this point to ride an atk unless they go bigger and all threads drift into other things. i havent changed my mind that the yfz is a quicker bike, just remember im not saying everything about it is better. mainly i wish it came with a kickstart i have had battery problems but when i had my 03 400 ex i had alot of battery problems so its not just a yamaha thing.

400excracer

09-23-2005, 09:17 PM

Weird. I have a 01 400EX and have never had a problem with the battery or estart. Never had any problems with my 99 400EX either. I was waiting for Honda to put estart on the 450r. Now that they did i am definately getting one.

rancid

09-23-2005, 09:23 PM

thats because you get all the magical hondas, so its really not weird

Rich250RRacer

09-23-2005, 10:09 PM

I wanted to post something here but Mr. Jack Macockov ^ here will just have a smart***** remark. Maybe he should take it to Bluetraxx so everybody's head can swell over there.

hndabestonearth

09-23-2005, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by 400excracer
CPI Well there's a household name. With the week they have had for R&D I'm sure that pipe on the 06 450R is a real dandy.

hahahahahahaha... my thoughts exactly lol:D

kahuna4

09-23-2005, 10:51 PM

cpi doesn't offer a pipe for a 450r, polaris and yamaha only check there site your self cpiracing.com

rancid

09-23-2005, 11:20 PM

did i say cpi offers a pipe reread the earlier post jack *** and cpi custom pipes inc wont make anything custom either. now i i see the reason you all still ride honda. your all so damn dumb.

Jersey450R

09-24-2005, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by rancid
did i say cpi offers a pipe reread the earlier post jack *** and cpi custom pipes inc wont make anything custom either. now i i see the reason you all still ride honda. your all so damn dumb.

wow, your done. :rolleyes:
nice knowing ya.

wicked265R

09-24-2005, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by DRT
LOL I hate these threads there so stupid.Why compare two quads in a drag race when most of us run MX or XC.My Cannondale can beat my brothers roll design 250r in a drag race.But on the track what handles and works better is what matters most.Who cares about what does what in a straight line.

I bow down to you, for you are not the only one that see's that straight lines are for BANSHEE's.

Of course i love to drag race just to see who's faster, most of the time i hear its the yfz's myself. :scary:

wvspeedfreak

09-24-2005, 09:21 AM

I love this type of thread.Keep it coming guys.:cool: :rolleyes:

Yfz_11

09-24-2005, 10:00 AM

ya this thread is awsome.. it dosent matter the quad once they are modded up they are all the same anyway.. stock to stock motor tho i would have to say my yfz has a little more, not much but more.. The power is in different places.. If you put me on a honda and once I got used to it, I be I would be just as fast as I am on the yfz.. Quad means nothing, its all rider so stfu and get on with life :D

khen

09-24-2005, 10:04 AM

MR.BIG

09-24-2005, 10:52 AM

Rancid where do you live? Maybe you want to race your yfz against my slow 450r around a track!

rancid

09-24-2005, 11:12 AM

utah, you honda guys dont ever read the whole thread do you i never said everthing is bad about a 450r. its just when i have compared my yfz and talked to many other people its always the same thing the yfz has a more potent motor i have said there are other things i like better about the honda as if you read i had a honda just like the yfz power better and is the track the only place you ride your qaud. we dont have the amount of tracks you guys have down south. its not like i didnt give the honda a chance, to me it just dont have the power i want. you guys post stuff bragging up the 450r but when a yfz guy does you guys are like women.

MR.BIG

09-24-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by rancid
utah, you honda guys dont ever read the whole thread do you i never said everthing is bad about a 450r. its just when i have compared my yfz and talked to many other people its always the same thing the yfz has a more potent motor i have said there are other things i like better about the honda as if you read i had a honda just like the yfz power better and is the track the only place you ride your qaud. we dont have the amount of tracks you guys have down south. its not like i didnt give the honda a chance, to me it just dont have the power i want. you guys post stuff bragging up the 450r but when a yfz guy does you guys are like women.

I ride everywhere not just on the track. The yamaha may have more power off the showroom floor. I don't know about the 06 450r but I am talking about the 04 and 05's but who keeps them stock. Once you start building them it's a different story. It will then come mostly down to the rider.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:04 PM

and i did say they each had a pipe and it was just a fun little drag race. so i dont know why everyone is such dicks about when honda guys talk theres up all the time.

MR.BIG

09-24-2005, 12:13 PM

You are on honda site talking about a so called race with a homemade pipe for the 450r. How come you are not on the yfz450 site. You obviously have penis envy of the honda owners. You keep talking smack but wonder why everybody gets defensive. If you look up flamer in the dictionary it shows a picture of you. I am done wasting my time with a know it all.

09-24-2005, 12:24 PM

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:28 PM

penis envy, you call yourself mr big. yah sure buddy you worried about somthing and its you guys that came over to yfzcentral. so no crap i came over here. its funny how exriders is now atvriders. yfzcentral dont have a 450r column. and you keep responding so if you dont want to talk about it you should have just keep your mouth shut the whole time and nice way to say a cpi is just a home made pipe mabey a one off but still a good pipe.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:32 PM

does your yellow tailight and your yfz tires put you up with the big boys

Jersey450R

09-24-2005, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by rancid
and i did say they each had a pipe and it was just a fun little drag race. so i dont know why everyone is such dicks about when honda guys talk theres up all the time.

Rancid, its just a matter of time till you get banned. I think your actually trying to. If you like yfzcentral so much, stay there...your not going to be able to post here much longer :mad:

MR.BIG

09-24-2005, 12:33 PM

My final post to you. I have never been over to yfzcentral. I have a yamaha grizzly so I have nothing against yamaha's but honda is built better and it always has been. As far as my username I have nothing to worry about and there you go thinking about my unit man you are gay. I would suggest you post this in the yamaha section and there you will get the people to back you.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:37 PM

its funner waisting your time here for the last 2 days.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:38 PM

you bought a grizzly when hondas are so much better, and if i recall you used the word penis first.

Jersey450R

09-24-2005, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by rancid
its funner waisting your time here for the last 2 days.
you wasted everyones time in the first place by starting a thread that dosent even make sense if you look at it.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:42 PM

yah its really hard to understand 2 qauds, 2 pipes, and a race. let me know when you figure it out.

Jersey450R

09-24-2005, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by rancid
well got to see a piped and 05 yfz beat a piped 06 450r 8 different times. the new 450r looks like a hell of alot better and a little faster though. both guys have rode for years so its pretty fair. mabey next year for honda.

You came on a x-honda site, talk chit on hondas, lied about a 06' 450R having a pipe, and tried backing it up with lies the rest of the thread. do yourself, and us loyal ATVriders.com members a favor and just leave.

rancid

09-24-2005, 12:57 PM

your right im sorry i lied and said the new honda looked good, how do you know i lied about installing a cpi muffler on a 450r. i have even had cpi do a custom pipe on a yz 250 powered qaud and it turned out great. so monday call cpi and just ask and it will be confirmed.

Jersey450R

09-24-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Jersey450R
You came on a x-honda site, talk chit on hondas, lied about a 06' 450R having a pipe, and tried backing it up with lies the rest of the thread. do yourself, and us loyal ATVriders.com members a favor and just leave.
amen. bye bye rancid.

rancid

09-24-2005, 02:39 PM

im still here. :devil:

rancid

09-24-2005, 02:40 PM

you said it ex-honda site.

exrider44

09-24-2005, 04:44 PM

this was informative

RoostItUp

09-24-2005, 08:04 PM

Wow, you Honda riders are quite defensive and stubborn!! Just accept that fact that the YFZ is faster and it'll save you all the stress of arguing. The '06 TRX isn't going to be faster than the older years, so get over it. If any power was gained at all in the new design it was immediatly cancelled out from the added weight of the elec. start.

Quit attacking Rancid, all he did was try to give a little info and you guys attacked him cause he said ONE THING about the 450 not beating a YFZ. It just proved how scared you guys actually are of getting beat by the competition. CPI will make custom pipes to fit the new 450r, Rancid is right. So heres a thought, why don't you guys get YOUR facts straight before blaming someone for lieing.

The only 450R I've lost to with my piped and cam modded YFZ is one with engine work and it wasn't by much. As soon as Honda decides to make an engine that makes power over 8 er 9 k RPM you won't be seeing any 450R's beating YFZ's in legitamate races IMO. :blah:

wvspeedfreak

09-24-2005, 08:14 PM

nice first post

khen

09-24-2005, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by RoostItUp
Wow, you Honda riders are quite defensive and stubborn!! Just accept that fact that the YFZ is faster and it'll save you all the stress of arguing. The '06 TRX isn't going to be faster than the older years, so get over it. If any power was gained at all in the new design it was immediatly cancelled out from the added weight of the elec. start.

Quit attacking Rancid, all he did was try to give a little info and you guys attacked him cause he said ONE THING about the 450 not beating a YFZ. It just proved how scared you guys actually are of getting beat by the competition. CPI will make custom pipes to fit the new 450r, Rancid is right. So heres a thought, why don't you guys get YOUR facts straight before blaming someone for lieing.

The only 450R I've lost to with my piped and cam modded YFZ is one with engine work and it wasn't by much. As soon as Honda decides to make an engine that makes power over 8 er 9 k RPM you won't be seeing any 450R's beating YFZ's in legitamate races IMO. :blah: Hahahaha... What do you call a legitimate race? MX, CC, Desert? You obviously haven't followed ATV racing over the past 20+ years.. It takes a LOT more than a high strung engine to win any "ligitamate" races. You and rancid need to combine your money and see if you have enough to buy a clue.

rancid

09-24-2005, 09:48 PM

buy a clue, so your still riding your honda geuss you couldnt afford to buy that clue either.

rancid

09-24-2005, 09:52 PM

you guys are always saying a good rider could win on a lesser quad, i geuss that explains your qaud and mods.

2004 450R - 13:1 JE piston, HRC Cam, Yoshi Tri-Oval full exhaust, UNI filter/HRC lid, TCS revalved front shocks, GT Thunder rear linkage & rebuilt shock, Tokyo Mods CDI, RAZR MX tires, Tusk nerfs, MSR bars, Tusk tether.

idiot

khen

09-24-2005, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by rancid
you guys are always saying a good rider could win on a lesser quad, i geuss that explains your qaud and mods.

2004 450R - 13:1 JE piston, HRC Cam, Yoshi Tri-Oval full exhaust, UNI filter/HRC lid, TCS revalved front shocks, GT Thunder rear linkage & rebuilt shock, Tokyo Mods CDI, RAZR MX tires, Tusk nerfs, MSR bars, Tusk tether.

idiot Ok, so what mods do you have? Also, what part of Utah are you from? Where do you ride?

rancid

09-24-2005, 10:19 PM

one qaud has just a pipe the other is a yz450 in a yfz frame with esr pipe, esr intake, revbox, +2 a-arms, rezzied shocks. not much but the bike motor dont need to much.

rancid

09-24-2005, 10:22 PM

out by st george, and a ton of dunes in nevada, little sahara, knolls, toole, we have alot of good places.

rancid

09-24-2005, 10:32 PM

no one yet has answered, why do you honda guys feel its ok to brag up and talk crap to everyone else but cant stand it when we bring ares up. just look at the begining of this thread i really wasnt even being a dick. just stating the results of me and a freinds little race was, im sure no honda guy would talk like that.

khen

09-24-2005, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by rancid
no one yet has answered, why do you honda guys feel its ok to brag up and talk crap to everyone else but cant stand it when we bring ares up. just look at the begining of this thread i really wasnt even being a dick. just stating the results of me and a freinds little race was, im sure no honda guy would talk like that. Not all "honda guys" talk crap, just like not all yamaha guys talk crap.. but there are a handful of each that will argue to the earths end. I think the more experience and knowledge you gain racing/reading on the different brands you begin to respect the attributes that each has to offer. I try to stay out of these silly arguments, until someone makes a blanket statement and calls me dumb for riding a Honda. :grr:

On another note, do you ever race the MX series in Tooele(DPC)?

ESR250R

09-24-2005, 11:03 PM

there are so many variables to a drag race that it really isnt worth mentioning. either guy might not know how to race or there is a big difference in weights, or whatever. these people are just telling you that it would be difficult to buy one and already install a pipe on it. from what ive seen at the race track alot of races between the yzf vs 450r are very close in mx (were it would matter to me). with the addition of electric start on the new 450r, i think you will probably see more 450r's on the track then yzf's next year. either way it'll make for some better competition. i do think that rancid came here to start a arguement and thats why he put this in the 450r section. this will all be settled when dirtwheels does a test on the new bikes and it should be a decent one considering they are both still in production.

RoostItUp

09-25-2005, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by khen
Hahahaha... What do you call a legitimate race? MX, CC, Desert? You obviously haven't followed ATV racing over the past 20+ years.. It takes a LOT more than a high strung engine to win any "ligitamate" races. You and rancid need to combine your money and see if you have enough to buy a clue.

LMAO, just prove my point more :rolleyes: Don't have a heart attack over it.

RoostItUp

09-25-2005, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by ESR250R
there are so many variables to a drag race that it really isnt worth mentioning. either guy might not know how to race or there is a big difference in weights, or whatever. these people are just telling you that it would be difficult to buy one and already install a pipe on it. from what ive seen at the race track alot of races between the yzf vs 450r are very close in mx (were it would matter to me). with the addition of electric start on the new 450r, i think you will probably see more 450r's on the track then yzf's next year. either way it'll make for some better competition. i do think that rancid came here to start a arguement and thats why he put this in the 450r section. this will all be settled when dirtwheels does a test on the new bikes and it should be a decent one considering they are both still in production.

I agree, there are many variables to racing. In fact, so many that these arguments are actually quite pointless! The only way to really know if the go out and race! Although, Dirtwheels is probably the WORSE place for accurate info, but you can go ahead and belive what they say. Whoever gives them the most money can pretty much guarantee the best review, it's sad :(

ESR250R

09-25-2005, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by RoostItUp
I agree, there are many variables to racing. In fact, so many that these arguments are actually quite pointless! The only way to really know if the go out and race! Although, Dirtwheels is probably the WORSE place for accurate info, but you can go ahead and belive what they say. Whoever gives them the most money can pretty much guarantee the best review, it's sad :(

i dont relay on dirtwheels, i dont even buy there magazine. i am refering to all the kids that wanna start a "my quad is faster than yours" thread. if i need to see what quad i like better i will go to my local track and ask a couple people if i can ride both, and i will watch the racing and make my decision from there. i can say now though that if they dont make either model more dependable in the next few years, i might not buy either one.

exrider44

09-25-2005, 07:40 AM

I think its time to close this thread

MR.BIG

09-26-2005, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by RoostItUp
Wow, you Honda riders are quite defensive and stubborn!! Just accept that fact that the YFZ is faster and it'll save you all the stress of arguing. The '06 TRX isn't going to be faster than the older years, so get over it. If any power was gained at all in the new design it was immediatly cancelled out from the added weight of the elec. start.

Quit attacking Rancid, all he did was try to give a little info and you guys attacked him cause he said ONE THING about the 450 not beating a YFZ. It just proved how scared you guys actually are of getting beat by the competition. CPI will make custom pipes to fit the new 450r, Rancid is right. So heres a thought, why don't you guys get YOUR facts straight before blaming someone for lieing.

The only 450R I've lost to with my piped and cam modded YFZ is one with engine work and it wasn't by much. As soon as Honda decides to make an engine that makes power over 8 er 9 k RPM you won't be seeing any 450R's beating YFZ's in legitamate races IMO. :blah:

Wow you sound just as ignorant as rancid. It seems to me Honda has been winning all the national races. I guess the yamaha isn't good enough to take the championship for the year. I say it takes an equal amount of skill to win any race on any machine. The honda is the best in my opinion. I can't believe you were beat by a honda trust me it will happen again,many times I'm sure!

sampleez

09-26-2005, 10:32 AM

dear god.........i don't know about ya'll, but i'm really getting sick of seeing these threads :mad:

i think the mods need to someway block any new threads with both yfz and 450r in the title :D....then ban the person trying to post it :devil:

the fact of the matter is that after spending 6 grand for a quad then in some cases another few thousand on parts.....it kinda p.o.'s ya to hear someone talking $hit about it......ya know.