Just got back from the Honda show. Detailed pics.

[Jonas]

Well I have some detailed pics of the new R. I'm sure most of you have seen and heard everything about it but I hope I can add some more detail here. I may have to trade in my '05 if the right deal comes along, but we will soon see.

[Jonas]

The airbox now has a hole in the back end of it.

[450robot]

imo, i liked the old airbox better, the tucked away tube might not have had as much flow, but the new one is right by an open spot where water can sneak in

[Jonas]

As you can see down from the hole there is a tube that runs down as to not allow dirt to directly hit the air filter. You can also see the 40% larger air filter.

[Jonas]

They put noise diffusing material in the tube.

[Jonas]

Give me a sec here, I am posting everything I took but it will take a sec. Thanks.

[Punk'd]

Sweet man, keep them comeing:)

Thanks BTW.

[400exrider0004]

yah, keep them coming

thanks

[Jonas]

Here is a black 06. Going out from the air box there is some cutouts now in the rear plastic for better air flow to the air box. You can see this better on Honda's website. The pictures I took of the red ones didn't turn out. The cutouts are right in front and below the H in "HONDA".

[Punk'd]

Where is the battery located?

[400exrider0004]

keep em coming

[Jonas]

Oh *hit, the wife just got home and I've been away for five days so she is frisky. Sorry guys I will send more tomorrow, I have the day off.

[400exrider0004]

:eek2:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Jonas
Oh *hit, the wife just got home and I've been away for five days so she is frisky. Sorry guys I will send more tomorrow, I have the day off.

Oh no you did not just leave us like that:mad: :grr:

Cant that wait?!?! haha. Have fun:blah:

[450robot]

i wonder if the airbox lids fit on 05 and lower models

you could have you airbox with the tube in the front, and then the tube on the lid

twice the flow, same protection!

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by 450robot
i wonder if the airbox lids fit on 05 and lower models

you could have you airbox with the tube in the front, and then the tube on the lid

twice the flow, same protection!

Is there a snorkel on 450R's?:confused:

[450robot]

yah, right by where the intake boot come from the carb, beside it, there is a white tube sticking out and up from the front side of the box

Originally posted by Jonas
Oh *hit, the wife just got home and I've been away for five days so she is frisky. Sorry guys I will send more tomorrow, I have the day off. :eek2: :eek2:


nooooo

:mad: :mad:

more 06' pics!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moto92]

wow....they mod the airbox lid when most of us all remove it once you get a pipe and filter
way to go Honda :rolleyes:

[Jonas]

Alright, wifes off to work. Heres a pic of the battery. I would get a kick myself but am glad they have the option. They claim six more pounds with the electric start. The electic start version should ship this month. If you want a kick you better get your deposit down because they will be very limited production. At the show, they claim that they will only make what dealers order on their initial order of the kick. I guess they figure electic start will sell 10 to 1 over kick as far as I can tell. Kicks they say won't be available until jan, feb, march area. Dealers can still add to their original orders, so if you want a kick you might want to get a deposit in soon.

Anyways, you can see that the battery is frame mounted about where a 400ex battery is. They did seal up the batt box good and it doesn't look like a mess like the ex does.

[Jonas]

another

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by Jonas
Alright, wifes off to work. Heres a pic of the battery. I would get a kick myself but am glad they have the option. They claim six more pounds with the electric start. The electic start version should ship this month. If you want a kick you better get your deposit down because they will be very limited production. At the show, they claim that they will only make what dealers order on their initial order of the kick. I guess they figure electic start will sell 10 to 1 over kick as far as I can tell. Kicks they say won't be available until jan, feb, march area. Dealers can still add to their original orders, so if you want a kick you might want to get a deposit in soon.

Anyways, you can see that the battery is frame mounted about where a 400ex battery is. They did seal up the batt box good and it doesn't look like a mess like the ex does.

It's a shame they can't find a better battery location......:(

[Jonas]

Ok, heres the 40mm fcr. This is a e-start model so you can also see the mitsuba starter down below on the left. The choke is a pull out knob behind where is says "choke". It pulls straight out towards the frame tucked behind there. It's nice to see the fcr on it this year.

[coryatver]

Originally posted by RIDER11X
It's a shame they can't find a better battery location......:(
where would you put it?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Jonas
Ok, heres the 40mm fcr. This is a e-start model so you can also see the mitsuba starter down below on the left. The choke is a pull out knob behind where is says "choke". It pulls straight out towards the frame tucked behind there. It's nice to see the fcr on it this year.

i see a new cam chain tensioner too!

[400exrider0004]

keep em coming

[Jonas]

All new part numbers for the motor they say. Forgive me if I am repeating what you already know, but it has the same bore and stroke measurements as the crf450r now.

e-start and kick motor pics.....

[spincr4hire]

thanks for the pics..was wondering where the batt. was going...

[Jonas]

.........

[Jonas]

and the e-start.........

[Jonas]

Here's the 20mm longer swinger.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by Jonas
Here's the 20mm longer swinger.
20 mm??? :devil: thats abould the thickness of an axle!

and look back at the pics of the battery and notice the subframe looks like it was put togehter in 3 seconds. The 06 subframe looks alot weaker than previous.

[fastrider450r]

what if someone gets an electric start and has problems with it or wants to go lighter? does honda make a kick start kit? Or would a regular old kick start work?...and get rid of the battery...etc.

[Jersey450R]

i'm sure companies are already putting the R&D in to kick conversions.:cool:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Jonas
and the e-start.........


somewhat difficult to see where the starter enters the right side of the engine. does the starter enter through the right center case, or enter through the back of the right cover?

[Jonas]

Honda will not provide a kick start kit for their e-start. I'm sure someone will figure something out but Honda does not support doing it.

[spincr4hire]

Originally posted by Jonas
Check a couple pics back!!!!!

no, I meant I was wondering until you posted the pics:p

[Transplant2]

It looks like a cap on the e-start version where the kicker would go. Perhaps you could add the kicker along with e-start and have both...just like the CRF450X. The parts might even be interchangeable? Of course you would need new plastic for the kicker pocket.

[chad502ex]

Jonas, thanks for your posting. We appreciate it!. BTW: did you meet up with anyone at the show to enter with?

[Jonas]

Ok, here are some front end pics. The headlight looked a little wierd at first but so did the 04 450r when it came out and after a few looks I really liked it. The 06 will take me a few more looks to get used to. All new suspension and a-arm/knuckle geometry. A little wider in the front now. Wheels are a more little "tilted" in now.

[Jonas]

another angle......

[Jonas]

Front suspension was revalved....

[kwatts400]

I kind of like the new front end. It has a more finished look to it plus, the flatter nose looks a little closer to the 86-87 r.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Jonas, thanks for your posting. We appreciate it!. BTW: did you meet up with anyone at the show to enter with?

No, a close friend decided to go and take the spot. It costs a few bucks to get an extra pass for the show beyond that because you also get lunches and a nice dinner at the MGM Grand Pool with that. Also, they brought in Martina Mc Bride to sing. If they are going to have a new quad out in the coming years I am going to have to plan ahead better and get someone from here to meet up with us:(

[Jonas]

Ok, a closer pic of the new frame.

[Jonas]

Rear shock area....

since my 04 frame is bent, should i get this frame? would it work?

[Jonas]

A pic of the magic button for some people.....

[Jonas]

John Natalie's quad at the show...

[Jonas]

That's Jeff Ward in the background on the left by the way. He must be thinking about racing a real machine:D

[smr]

who's Joh Natalie.....J/K

The pictures are great.....you got any more?

[Jonas]

front of Natalie's....

[Jonas]

I guess he can ride, I don't know I was looking at Jamie Little at the autograph table:p

She did all of the MCing at the show.

[Jonas]

For those of you that are interested in two wheels also here is a pic of the new 06 crf250r's dual exhaust.

[Ridin' Jesse]

Originally posted by smr
who's Joh Natalie

yeah who is Joh:confused:


:devil:

[Punk'd]

06 got a new frame?:eek:

[Jonas]

Who knows maybe the 07 or 08 trx450 will have a dual exhuast. You never know!! Honda has also got another first for this year an airbag on there 06 goldwing. Now I know that some of you could have used this on your 450's this year. You all know who you are!!!:devil:

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by Jonas
Ok, a closer pic of the new frame.
frame looks identical to my 05 :confused:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
frame looks identical to my 05 :confused:

I agree.

[Jonas]

No major design changes in the frame as far as I know. I believe it is a little different length. I just stated "new" because it is made differently, it looks similar though. This model is all new everything except for the maybe the tires, grips, etc. but it looks very similar to the '05. They made alot of small changes along with the bigger changes. Some of you are laughing at the small changes but I will take every small change I can get as long as it will improve the machine in stock trim.

[400exrider0004]

very nice, keep em coming if you have anymore.

[ThumPIN_450R]

Originally posted by Jonas
front of Natalie's....

does that sign in front of natalie's quad say TRX450X ?

[Jonas]

I don't have too many more pics that will interest you all. Here is another of Natalie's.

[fastrider450r]

Originally posted by ThumPIN_450R
does that sign in front of natalie's quad say TRX450X ? yeah thats what i thought

[Jonas]

Just to let you all know, the offroad products manager at the show has been riding the '06 for two years now he stated. That goes to show you that Honda tests their stuff well before they put it on the market. I am looking forward to hearing all of your reviews on how the '06 quad feels stock to stock with you 04 or 05's. Also, his claim was that the '06 450r will have 4 to six more horse that the '05 HRC to HRC. Thanks all!!!!!

[fastrider450r]

Originally posted by Jonas
Just to let you all know, the offroad products manager at the show has been riding the '06 for two years now he stated. That goes to show you that Honda tests their stuff well before they put it on the market.
that just goes to show you why honda is one of the best:macho :macho

[Jonas]

Originally posted by ThumPIN_450R
does that sign in front of natalie's quad say TRX450X ?

Yes, it does. Probably because it is heavily modified that is what they are calling it.

[MAD450r]

Just curious how much of the torgue will change since they lowered the stroke some.

I really wonder if the smaller changes are worth us doing to our older models. Or if we even can do them all.

[coryatver]

The motor is completely different but I think you will be able to put on the fcr. Not sure though.

Is the frame PCed?

[dirtriderex]

I doubt the frame is PC'ed. Are we going to be able to put a e-start on our 04 and 05 450's?

[Trouble]

Johans thanks for sharing those awesome pics brutha!!:)

Thanks for sharing SWEET!!

[Trouble]

Sorry Jonas I spelled your name wrong in that last post...:rolleyes:

Anyways bro was that show in LAS VEGAS?

[turboTony]

Yeah, thanks for sharing all those pics! ;)
I guess the light doesn't look so bad after all. heh.

[Jonas]

Your welcome! Now I wished I could have taken a few more pics but you got the idea.

I wonder if they would have been pissed if I pulled the top end off to look at that new piston:D

[Jersey450R]

are the 06's gonna have that sparkle to them? or is that just the ones for the dealer show?? look in the pics. everything including the frame and swingarm has that metalic look to it. anyone else notice that? looks like the women over at honda designed the look for 06' :D

[400exrider0004]

hey, what kind of graphics are Natalies 450, they're awesome

[turboTony]

Originally posted by 400exrider0004
hey, what kind of graphics are Natalies 450, they're awesome
East Coast ATV

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
are the 06's gonna have that sparkle to them? or is that just the ones for the dealer show?? look in the pics. everything including the frame and swingarm has that metalic look to it. anyone else notice that? looks like the women over at honda designed the look for 06' :D

These were running units. That should be the paint that you would get on yours if you were to buy one. I think that the flash on the camera brought the metallic in the paint out. It is not sparkly in person.

[redhondi400]

Wasn't that Natalie's 05 quad? I can't wait to see his 06. I wonder if he will ride the E-start model.

[fastrider450r]

Originally posted by redhondi400
Wasn't that Natalie's 05 quad? I can't wait to see his 06. I wonder if he will ride the E-start model.
yeah i wonder why they didnt have natalies new 06 out there...i dont think he will have e-start cause its too heavy plus he doesnt start from dead engine

[rpyfz450]

Originally posted by Jonas
the offroad products manager at the show has been riding the '06 for two years now he stated. That goes to show you that Honda tests their stuff well before they put it on the market.

I've been told one other manufacturer prototypes their engines 3 years before we ever get to see them. I'd guess 2 or three years is standard practice for all the major players in powersports markets in general.

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by fastrider450r
yeah i wonder why they didnt have natalies new 06 out there...i dont think he will have e-start cause its too heavy plus he doesnt start from dead engine

I'm a fan of kickstart but the electric model only weighs 6 pounds more than the kickstart model.

[440exnacsracer]

Originally posted by Jonas
but it has the same bore and stroke measurements as the crf450r now.


actually, 7/10 of a mm longer stroke than the crf, keeping it at 450cc's, the crf is 449:D:D

[Jonas]

Interesting to see the oil sight in a different spot on the new motor?

[root]

Where are all the oil lines to the oil cooler?

Originally posted by root
Where are all the oil lines to the oil cooler?

:confused:
seriously?

[mills_racing]

Originally posted by root
Where are all the oil lines to the oil cooler?

thats interesting...i just noticed that, mayb hondas not gonna run the cooler no more.:huh

[dunebuggie66]

probably won't have an oil cooler, since that is a crf 450 motor now, and the bike didn't have one.

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by coryatver
where would you put it?

It would be kind of nice to get it tucked into the subframe somewhere, but with that large of an airbox I guess that is impossible.......:confused:

I am really excited to hear some ride reviews on this new 06' 450r, I think it will surprize alot of riders. Quads are finally getting like MX bikes..........tweaking every year to get faster, handle better and more powerful. I love it!:cool:

[coryatver]

Originally posted by RIDER11X
It would be kind of nice to get it tucked into the subframe somewhere, but with that large of an airbox I guess that is impossible.......:confused:


That would be a great place. But I think becuase of the air box and also because of the rear suspention mount it makes it hard. and like the aftermarket battery boxes for the 400ex they always break off becuase of the wieght of the battery.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by RIDER11X
It would be kind of nice to get it tucked into the subframe somewhere, but with that large of an airbox I guess that is impossible.......:confused:

I am really excited to hear some ride reviews on this new 06' 450r, I think it will surprize alot of riders. Quads are finally getting like MX bikes..........tweaking every year to get faster, handle better and more powerful. I love it!:cool:

I have an idea...How bout an aluminum twin spar frame that holds the gas in the frame. then the battery could go somewhere where the tank would be. this would even out the weight so much for a racing quad. plus, then honda could design a better looking gas tank that resembled the 250R tank. Just generating ideas :macho

[Shawn H]

Jonas
Pics look great thanks for posting them>

Do ya have any pics of the radaitor area or did you even notice a difference in the position of the radiator or angle of the fins?

They said they updated that was wondering if ya noticed it?

[shaff107]

I wanna know what the difference is in the A-arms? Are they in a different location, wider mount points, farther forward or what ?

[hasbeenttduner]

Originally posted by coryatver
where would you put it?

In front of the motor on the lower frame rails.

It would move alot of weight forward but it would be very low.

[Lonestar_R]

Thanks Jonas for the great pics.....I'll be on the list this weekend

[walker054]

Originally posted by Jonas
Interesting to see the oil sight in a different spot on the new motor?
i noticed that the new side cover with the oil check window looks just like the crf 450 engine now, with the internal engine changes and the new carb this engine could be just as good as the crf 450 motors that were put in hybrid quads in the last 3 - 4 years...

[atvridernc]

Thanks for the pics Jonas

[generalg]

2 years testing!!! WOW. Honda does know how to R&D!

Can't wait to see one of the 06 R's in person.

[RandRRrider]

Originally posted by shaff107
I wanna know what the difference is in the A-arms? Are they in a different location, wider mount points, farther forward or what ?

I am also interested in these measurements. Since my '04 frame is bent. I really would like to order an '06 frame and put all my JB and Ohlins suspension components back on

[Dynodn]

Originally posted by walker054
i noticed that the new side cover with the oil check window looks just like the crf 450 engine now, with the internal engine changes and the new carb this engine could be just as good as the crf 450 motors that were put in hybrid quads in the last 3 - 4 years...

I'll take the TRX engine over the CRF anyday.

[mx3mom]

Originally posted by shaff107
I wanna know what the difference is in the A-arms? Are they in a different location, wider mount points, farther forward or what ?
I want to know also. If anyone can find out.

[liloldbie]

Don't the CRF engines have valve problems? Will they carry on with the new '06 TRX's since they're basically the same engine?

[RandRRrider]

Originally posted by liloldbie
Don't the CRF engines have valve problems? Will they carry on with the new '06 TRX's since they're basically the same engine?

Yes, because of the Ti valves used. If you look at the manual for the CRF you have to change the piston every ten hours and the valves most likely twice per year. The CRF is a full blown race bike. But the TRX is not. It is built to last. That why it has 3 ring instead of the CRF's two. And the use of Ti intake and Steel exhaust

[cinigen9]

Originally posted by Dynodn
I'll take the TRX engine over the CRF anyday.

can you expand on that?

[Smoker]

Originally posted by coryatver
That would be a great place. But I think becuase of the air box and also because of the rear suspention mount it makes it hard. and like the aftermarket battery boxes for the 400ex they always break off becuase of the wieght of the battery.

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1804334

I figured a good spot would be right in front of the engine, like a ATK/C-Dale, to help get the weight bias forward, as long as the header temps didn't mess with it?

[Jonas]

Originally posted by snowgasm
Jonas
Pics look great thanks for posting them>

Do ya have any pics of the radaitor area or did you even notice a difference in the position of the radiator or angle of the fins?

They said they updated that was wondering if ya noticed it?

The Honda rep just said that the radiator was smaller and more that sufficient for the quad. This motor definately looked alot more like the dirt bike but I am sure it is still beefed up to handle the quad's weight. Still has ti intake and stainless exhaust valves.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by shaff107
I wanna know what the difference is in the A-arms? Are they in a different location, wider mount points, farther forward or what ?

I know that most of the front end specs will haved changed for '06 but as far as knowing whether they will bolt on you will see soon. The electric start model will ship soon!

[ThumPIN_450R]

this has nothing to do with the 06 honda jonas but I noticed in you're sig it says everettpowersports.com. That is where I got my 04 from I know it's totally off topic but I thought you might have been interested in that.

[RIDER11X]

Thanks Jonas! Great info and pics! I'm so torn between the YFZ and the 450R..............Wait till the Suzuki comes out......:uhoh:


LOL! What a great bind to be in!:p

[quadjeff]

They are having a private release party next week (can not disclose location). I have a buddy riding the new 06 on thursday. I will let you guys know what it is like...... Should be sweet..

[Jonas]

Originally posted by RIDER11X
Thanks Jonas! Great info and pics! I'm so torn between the YFZ and the 450R..............Wait till the Suzuki comes out......:uhoh:


LOL! What a great bind to be in!:p

Suzuki show is in just over two weeks. I think which ever one a person chooses will be high performance for sure. I like the fact that the yfz and 450r have had tens of thousands of test riders in the last few years though. I'm sure that yamaha and honda have brought this knowledge into their new models. I will be sure to get some detailed pics of the Suzuki here coming up also.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by ThumPIN_450R
this has nothing to do with the 06 honda jonas but I noticed in you're sig it says everettpowersports.com. That is where I got my 04 from I know it's totally off topic but I thought you might have been interested in that.

Sweet thumpin. If your interested, I can PM you when someone gets an '06 and wants to head out to Moses Lake dunes for further testing:cool:

[ThumPIN_450R]

Originally posted by Jonas
Sweet thumpin. If your interested, I can PM you when someone gets an '06 and wants to head out to Moses Lake dunes for further testing:cool:

if they want someone to put it through it's paces and possibly test the 6 month warrantee I'm the guy you need. You could PM me a price if you can beat my local dealer I would make the drive to everett again if the price is right.

[ThumPIN_450R]

Originally posted by quadjeff
They are having a private release party next week (can not disclose location). I have a buddy riding the new 06 on thursday. I will let you guys know what it is like...... Should be sweet..

I know where :chinese:

[quadjeff]

SHHHHHHHHH Brian I will let you know the results..

[ThumPIN_450R]

Originally posted by quadjeff
SHHHHHHHHH Brian I will let you know the results..

you should let me help test it :D