Increasing Gas Mileage on any car. (READ)

[Metzroth]

I just read an article about adding Pure acetone to your fuel in minute amounts and its supposed to create up to 39% better fuel economy. I just thought i would share. It's also to increase power somehow. I don't know the facts, I'm not a chemist, maybe someone that is could explain it in simple terms for me and other browsers. Here is the link. http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm

[Butters]

sounds interesting. i'm curious if it really does work.

[Doober]

Originally posted by Butters
sounds interesting. i'm curious if it really does work.

[LTandRaptorider]

Hmmm... where I work, they have a couple 55gal drums of acetone... like to know more about this.

Also... I may have acetone for sale! :D

[Metzroth]

i found a few more sites... I think im going to go ahead and try it on my moms car. I started looking into gas mileage cuz i just bought an 87 Silverado and then bought a 400 small block to put in it :-D Gas mileage will pretty much be non existant. It sounds like it will work. I found a chemistry site where a bunch of people were talking about it in depth, it was way over my head. Do some searching and make sure your comfortable with it. I have not tried it yet, and i DO NOT want to be held responsible for stuff if it does not work. I plan on trying it on my moms car soon LOL. Please post back if you try it. BTW you might right senators from your state about this if it works. Can you imagine how much money would be saved if this information was introduced into the mainstream? Most fuel additives have acitone in them but PURE acitone is the way to go. Thanks and goodluck! -mike

[Pappy]

not sure about the acetone...

but i follwed a mercedes the other day with this website on his back window http://www.greasecar.com/

i know a few folks that are attempting this, but being my truck is new im skeert...lol

[hessianmx111]

I've read that this does work but it has to be 100% pure acetone or there will be no benefits.

[Metzroth]

yeah if it is not pure acetone it has water in it. so if you try this make sure you buy PURE acetone. Dont get it on your paint :p

[honduh440]

Originally posted by Pappy
not sure about the acetone...

but i follwed a mercedes the other day with this website on his back window http://www.greasecar.com/

i know a few folks that are attempting this, but being my truck is new im skeert...lol


i have witnessed this and it does work

note it is for diesels only tho

[Metzroth]

he is talking about the grease car thing for diesels. The acetone thing is supposed to work for both diesel and gasoline. 2-3 oz per 10 gallons of gas, and 1-2 oz per 10 gallons of diesel. Tomorrow I'm going to buy a gallon of acetone (around $10) and my mom is going to fill up her car and were going to give it a try and see if there is any noticable difference.

[Butters]

Originally posted by Metzroth
he is talking about the grease car thing for diesels. The acetone thing is supposed to work for both diesel and gasoline. 2-3 oz per 10 gallons of gas, and 1-2 oz per 10 gallons of diesel. Tomorrow I'm going to buy a gallon of acetone (around $10) and my mom is going to fill up her car and were going to give it a try and see if there is any noticable difference.

if acetone is $10 a gallon, how is that going to help save money??

[quadrcr161]

try to research as much as you can, good and bad points, i was reading today that it can really mess with the injection systems.

[pistonbone]

In the Ultimate Adventure contest one of the requirements to be in it is the vehicle must be able to drive 150 miles on one tank of gas. Well to pull that off one of the Jeeps had to put acetone in his tanks last year. Not sure how much, they only briefly talked about it. But I do trust Peterson's.
If you don't know what the Ultimate Adventure is... google it.

[zephead400ex]

Originally posted by Butters
if acetone is $10 a gallon, how is that going to help save money??

He is saying it only takes 2-3 oz's of acetone per gallon of gas.

I would like to hear what Wilkon's has to say about this.

[Butters]

Originally posted by zephead400ex
He is saying it only takes 2-3 oz's of acetone per gallon of gas.

I would like to hear what Wilkon's has to say about this.

yeah, but i mean if it helps enough where you save money then i am all about it.

[Metzroth]

butters...think before you speak. There are 128 ounces in a gallon. 4 oz per tank is 32 tanks. $10 divided by 32 is 31 cents. For .31 a tank you can get up to 35% better gas mileage. No matter what car you drive 31 cents is worth even 10% (less than the minumum they predict) better gas mileage. Consider this... If you get 50 MPG and you have a 10 gallon tank you get 500 miles per tank. Now if you get 10% more that is 50 miles. That is one gallon, which right now is about $3.10. Hmmm...pay what it cost to buy a tenth of a gallon, or just buy another gallon of gas. Now that is for a fuel efficent car. What about a gas guzzler... like my truck is going to be. Probably 8 miles to the gallon. It has a 15 gallon tank. If i get 10% better gas mileage (less than the minimum 15%) i will get 8 tenths of a mile farther per gallon. Thats 12 extra miles for a 15 gallon tank. Thats a gallon and a half. So about $4.50 savings on one tank. That would deffinitley add up over time. I'll take the time to do the math on how much money you will save with one gallon of acetone at the current gas prices in springfield IL for my truck.
$4.50x32=$144-10(cost of acetone)=$134 in savings per gallon of acetone. That is if you only get 10% better gas mileage. I dont remember where i saw the article but I saw somewhere a guy had a 350 vortec and was getting 38% better gas mileage. Basically multiply the 10% savings. Just trying to prove a point. I dunno why it matters to me if other people save money, but I am tired of watching the US feed major oil companies.

[Butters]

Originally posted by Metzroth
butters...think before you speak. There are 128 ounces in a gallon. 4 oz per tank is 32 tanks. $10 divided by 32 is 31 cents. For .31 a tank you can get up to 35% better gas mileage. No matter what car you drive 31 cents is worth even 10% (less than the minumum they predict) better gas mileage. Consider this... If you get 50 MPG and you have a 10 gallon tank you get 500 miles per tank. Now if you get 10% more that is 50 miles. That is one gallon, which right now is about $3.10. Hmmm...pay what it cost to buy a tenth of a gallon, or just buy another gallon of gas. According to smartgas.net the acetone does not hurt anything. In fact it helps gas mileage, adds some power, and reduces emissions. Don't try it if you dont want to. I'm going to.


read before you speak.....i said i messed up.....i wasn't thinking at first i didn't realize the original statement was ounces.

[Metzroth]

Point taken, no disrespect intended. I kinda wanna hear what Wilkson has to say too. He usually has good thoughts on things like this (and can explain in simple terms why things work the way they do :blah: )

[kbass24emtp]

Hey Pappy, the grease car is bio-diesel. Your truck can run this stuff. You can even make it in you garage. Trucks had a show on how to do it. Only downfall is you need to change the filter more. Pappy what kind of truck do you have. If it is a GMC or Chevy give me a PM.

[WKY400EX]

Originally posted by kbass24emtp
Hey Pappy, the grease car is bio-diesel. Your truck can run this stuff. You can even make it in you garage. Trucks had a show on how to do it. Only downfall is you need to change the filter more. Pappy what kind of truck do you have. If it is a GMC or Chevy give me a PM. I saw that episode of Trucks, and it looks to me that you'd end up breaking even by the time it's all said and done. You've got to buy all of the equipment, drive around town looking for used cooking oil, and then change the fuel filter more often. IDK, just seems like a big hassle to me.:confused: I do believe that BioDiesel is a great idea, since it can be commercially grown and replenished, unlike oils.

[kbass24emtp]

I could not find the web site for the kit. I'm sure it is not cheap. Knowing my luck I'd buy the kit and two months down the road my oil supplier would stop giving me the oil and want to sell it to me.

[sampleez]

i heard that kit from freedom fuels is like $3-5000 :eek:

i think stacy said it ends up costing about $.70 a gallon, but it'll take a while to make up for buying that kit

[WKY400EX]

Originally posted by sampleez
i heard that kit from freedom fuels is like $3-5000 :eek:

i think stacy said it ends up costing about $.70 a gallon, but it'll take a while to make up for buying that kit Yeah, I know. Kinda steep, but awesome idea, no doubt. I was reading "Jay Leno's Garage" in Popular Mechanics the other day. He was at Gale Banks's shop, getting updated on modern diesel. Leno mentioned that diesel doesn't get the attention that it should, and may very well be the wave of the future as far as transportation is concerned. First, pumps could easily be changed. Second, although purchasing diesel vehicles may cost more initially, their engines tend to outlast gasoline engines 2 or 3 times over. Thirdly, diesels are capable of unreal gas mileage (80mpg not uncommon). And most importantly, biodiesel can be grown. Plus, with advancements in computers and diesel technology, you can get awesome power from diesels. After reading that article, Jay Leno has me believing him about diesel being the future.

I apologize for the "school lesson." Class is dismissed.:blah:

[Butters]

Originally posted by WKY400EX
Yeah, I know. Kinda steep, but awesome idea, no doubt. I was reading "Jay Leno's Garage" in Popular Mechanics the other day. He was at Gale Banks's shop, getting updated on modern diesel. Leno mentioned that diesel doesn't get the attention that it should, and may very well be the wave of the future as far as transportation is concerned. First, pumps could easily be changed. Second, although purchasing diesel vehicles may cost more initially, their engines tend to outlast gasoline engines 2 or 3 times over. Thirdly, diesels are capable of unreal gas mileage (80mpg not uncommon). And most importantly, biodiesel can be grown. Plus, with advancements in computers and diesel technology, you can get awesome power from diesels. After reading that article, Jay Leno has me believing him about diesel being the future.

I apologize for the "school lesson." Class is dismissed.:blah:


yeah that would be cool. jay leno knows what he is talking about when it comes to cars. i have always thought diesel was better, but you don't see that many diesel cars.

[Trevor]

Someone else try this and let me know how it works. I would just be worried that it would screw up my car.

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by sampleez
i heard that kit from freedom fuels is like $3-5000 :eek:

i think stacy said it ends up costing about $.70 a gallon, but it'll take a while to make up for buying that kit
But if Americans could hose the big oil companies, it would be worth the wait and the $$!!!

[WKY400EX]

Originally posted by Butters
yeah that would be cool. jay leno knows what he is talking about when it comes to cars. i have always thought diesel was better, but you don't see that many diesel cars. I have a great respect for Leno. He knows his automobiles, that's for sure. I've believed in diesel for a few years now, but after that article, I do even more. A lot of people don't know much about diesel vehicles. Most think they are just noisy, smelly engines for semis and other heavy duty equipment, and have no place elsewhere. Maybe this is why only about 4% of vehicles on the road are diesel powered. Truth is, diesel noise and emissions have been greatly reduced over the years. It's nothing like it was during the late 1800's.:p

Another cool thing Leno mentioned was that Gale Banks showed him some high-performance aluminum cylinder heads, and said he feels the aluminum diesel engine is coming. Can you imagine an 18:1 compression aluminum diesel motor?:eek2: :devil:

[z400roosteR]

Buy a crotch rocket and kiss your worries about fuel economy good bye! 50miles to the gallon and you don't have to be sporting a geo/gremlin to get it.

[TheFontMaster]

Originally posted by kbass24emtp
I could not find the web site for the kit. I'm sure it is not cheap. Knowing my luck I'd buy the kit and two months down the road my oil supplier would stop giving me the oil and want to sell it to me.

http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/

Theres your link. I've read more on biodiesel than just the one show on trucks, and from what I have researched, it is even more reliable on the engine, and gives you a little more power too.

[Butters]

Originally posted by WKY400EX
I have a great respect for Leno. He knows his automobiles, that's for sure. I've believed in diesel for a few years now, but after that article, I do even more. A lot of people don't know much about diesel vehicles. Most think they are just noisy, smelly engines for semis and other heavy duty equipment, and have no place elsewhere. Maybe this is why only about 4% of vehicles on the road are diesel powered. Truth is, diesel noise and emissions have been greatly reduced over the years. It's nothing like it was during the late 1800's.:p

Another cool thing Leno mentioned was that Gale Banks showed him some high-performance aluminum cylinder heads, and said he feels the aluminum diesel engine is coming. Can you imagine an 18:1 compression aluminum diesel motor?:eek2: :devil:


yeah in the past what, like 6 years they have gone from noisy to really quiet. i'm not sure exactly but i know there is a big difference between older diesels and new ones. that would be cool if they were aluminum.

[zeppelin]

i really wanna see what wilkin has to say about this too, he seems to be very knowlageable about little techincal things like this. but i personaly dont see how it can work unless it tricks the ehxaust sencers into thinking that its running rich so that the car injects less fuel each time. i really think though that the furture is ethanol powered cars

[Metzroth]

Oil companies want you to think that ethanol is the future. Ethanol attracts water and that is bad for your car. Gets in the fuel system and inside the cylinders. Read the article and you will see that ethanol is deffinitley NOT the future of vehicles. I agree that diesel is probably the future. Diesel or propane. Propane kits are available for most vehicles and much cheaper to operate, and the motors last for a LONG time. My friends father had a dodge that was propane powered. They ran it for the longest time without changing oil and such. Finally they were curious what condition it was in and removed the heads to look, you wouldnt believe how clean it was. It looks like a gas powered motor looks when you are assembling it, really clean and almost no wear.

[kbass24emtp]

Originally posted by TheFontMaster
http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/

Theres your link. I've read more on biodiesel than just the one show on trucks, and from what I have researched, it is even more reliable on the engine, and gives you a little more power too.

Thanks for the link.

[Metzroth]

the amount of acetone that you would be using would be such a small amount that it would not do any harm. READ the article, I'm serious. It gives you all the information that you guys keep commenting on. The guy knows what he is talking about. I've also looked on some chemistry sites, and in one of the parts where they were not being all scientific they said that the amount of acetone is so minute that there would be no damage. Once again...READ the article before you comment.

[zeppelin]

sooo, how many of yaal burnt up your o2 sensors or screwed up your fuel injection

[Schooled 416]

Originally posted by zeppelin
sooo, how many of yaal burnt up your o2 sensors or screwed up your fuel injection

you cant burn up an O2 sensor, and putting acetone through a fuel injector wont screw it up, especially in those minute amounts

[gun32boarder]

You can burn out an O2. Running too rich of a mixture for long period of time will make you 02s work very poorly.

[250xridamatt]

Originally posted by WKY400EX
I have a great respect for Leno. He knows his automobiles, that's for sure. I've believed in diesel for a few years now, but after that article, I do even more. A lot of people don't know much about diesel vehicles. Most think they are just noisy, smelly engines for semis and other heavy duty equipment, and have no place elsewhere. Maybe this is why only about 4% of vehicles on the road are diesel powered. Truth is, diesel noise and emissions have been greatly reduced over the years. It's nothing like it was during the late 1800's.:p

Another cool thing Leno mentioned was that Gale Banks showed him some high-performance aluminum cylinder heads, and said he feels the aluminum diesel engine is coming. Can you imagine an 18:1 compression aluminum diesel motor?:eek2: :devil:

My dad got to meet Jay Leno last year at Pebble Beach. One of our cars was in the show. He came up to my dad while he was in the car, and started telling him how much he liked our car, now maybe we can get him to buy it off of us! haha
He seemed like a cool guy to me. We didnt win anything at the show, but it was definately a cool experience. I went to the area where the people with cars went for food and drinks, there was actually a really good chef there, and he was making all this food for me to try. It was amazing, oh, and the cars were ok too...

[tater_kamik]

supposed to work, if i remember right, it helps gasoline to vaporize into the air more efficently. there is an inherent surface tension to any surface, but the acetone decreases the surface tension greatly causing the fuel to be close to completely vaporized instead of beaing wasted out of the exhaust. something like that atleast, i probably missed something but oh well, i tried...

the oil companies should start including this with the oil to save money

[wilkin250r]

Everybody is waiting for me to reply, and I never did. Sorry about that. If anybody wants my input on an article or theory, send me a PM, otherwise I may miss the thread.

So, acetone, does it really work, and are there any harmful side-effects?

Well, acetone HAS been proven to reduce the surface tension of gasoline, which would aid in vaporization. This should have a terrific effect in a carbureted engine, where fuel droplets are very large, but I doubt you'd see any significant benefit in a modern fuel-injected engine (provided your injectors are clean). Fuel-injectos spray a very fine mist, most droples are less than 0.1mm in size, so vaporization generally isn't a problem.

Acetone is a solvent, but then again, so is gasoline for some substances, and many additives already present in today's fuels. I suppose it's possible for the acetone to deteriorate o-rings and seals, but it's not very likely, especially at the small amounts that you would add to gasoline.

Acetone burns fairly clean, so it also shouldn't harm O2 sensors, or catalytic converters. And again, it's a fairly small amount. A standard 16oz bottle would be enough to treat 60 gallons.

[Smokin 440]

I belong to a certain car forum where multiple people tried acetone in their car's, some guys car's were turboed and some were N/A. For most guys they expereience about a 20%-30% gain in MPG depending on the gas, but most reverted to their original fuel economy after 5-10 tanks. Some people noticed no gains in MPG but most people noticed their exhaust was cleaner (on the cars tried on they usually run rich and the exhaust turns black fast) Some people were wondering if their Ecu was learning around the acetone causing the fuel economy to go back down, it is still being debated.

[Metzroth]

Asked a guy at advanced auto about it (i've known this guy a while and hes not just a shelf stocking dumb ***) and he says that it will not hurt anything in that small of increments. He says he actually uses acetone to clean his injectors. As far as gas mileage goes, he never paid any attention. I still havent got around to trying this but I still dont have a truck that runs :p. If i get my truck going this weekend I will give it a try and see what kinda mileage i get with it. Then the next time i fill up i wont use any and we'll see what happens.

[Schooled 416]

Originally posted by gun32boarder
You can burn out an O2. Running too rich of a mixture for long period of time will make you 02s work very poorly.

because you are covering it with carbon. But it is not burnt up.

[Schooled 416]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
the oil companies should start including this with the oil to save money


lmao, wow, thats pretty funny.

[tdsongster]

Originally posted by Pappy
not sure about the acetone...

but i follwed a mercedes the other day with this website on his back window http://www.greasecar.com/

i know a few folks that are attempting this, but being my truck is new im skeert...lol

Wow, run a car off of vegetable oil. I would have never thought of that...

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