News on the Suzuki LTZ450?

[WKY400EX]

I was wondering, does anyone have any news on the LTZ450? I know it's set to be released later this year, but does anyone have any specs or anything on it? Thanks.

[nowukno]

Rumors are that it will have EFI and be 3" wider than the yfz and supposed to have the best suspension there is , and gust and jones are going to race it with stock a-arms , axle , swingarm and shocks. So "race ready" would be an understatement.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by nowukno
Rumors are that it will have EFI and be 3" wider than the yfz and supposed to have the best suspension there is , and gust and jones are going to race it with stock a-arms , axle , swingarm and shocks. So "race ready" would be an understatement.
dam, whats the reatail gonna be...10 grand?! :eek:

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
dam, whats the reatail gonna be...10 grand?! :eek:

More then that if it has elkas and 50in. front end....

[Hondadudeehhhh]

i doubt it will be very expensive, maybe a little more than the yfz but they wont make the same mistake as cannondale. No matter what it will blow everything else away

[enduro400rider]

yeah in quad magazine they were talkin with the head suzuki guy. he wouldnt tell them much, he said IT IS EFI and it will come from the factory with long travel suspention and a-arms. chromoly swinger too. its supposed to be race ready from the factory they said all you need to do is put some # plates on it and go. doug gust said it has the best suspention ever even better than all the aftermarket hes ridden. it should be a nice bike im going to say it will put the YFZ and R to shame.

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by enduro400rider
yeah in quad magazine they were talkin with the head suzuki guy. he wouldnt tell them much, he said IT IS EFI and it will come from the factory with long travel suspention and a-arms. chromoly swinger too. its supposed to be race ready from the factory they said all you need to do is put some # plates on it and go. doug gust said it has the best suspention ever even better than all the aftermarket hes ridden. it should be a nice bike im going to say it will put the YFZ and R to shame.

I dont care what anybody, or any magazine says. Its all BS till it hits showroom floors/ and or released OFFICIALLY. Not word of mouth or your moms b/f's sisters uncle's brother said. I very serious doubt it will come out with LT suspension, EFI, and swinger. I also doubt gust said it was the best suspension he ever rode, unless it's TI LT a-arms, TI shock parts, elka track elite shocks. And if it does, you will be looking at a 20k + price tag. So please, stop spreading rumors.:cool:

[450robot]

what is so far fetched about the efi, and aftermarrket quality suspension? i mean, if they mad it long travel, it wouldnt cost them that much more, i mean they are still making a arms out of metal, just a different design, you just think its not possible for it to be cheap, because you think of aftermarket prices when your here LT or aftermarket quality, but the fact is, just because suzuki can put alot of effort into development, and design a product that is of high quality doesnt mean it has to cost more than normal, they just found a formula that works, you guys just dont believe it because your so used to seeing aftermarket that is so expensive, that because its "aftermarket". its developped to be for add ons, not produced at the factory, hence the big prices

and whats so wrong about the efi? i mean, cdale, gas gas, and the new rappy use it, and there prices are at a good level (well the raptor is, with the gasgas not far behind)

i think these features you guys say are rumors will be put on the bike, im sure suzukis bike will be race ready either way, whatever they do

[Warnerade]

i hope it doesnt come with efi...

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by 450robot
what is so far fetched about the efi, and aftermarrket quality suspension? i mean, if they mad it long travel, it wouldnt cost them that much more, i mean they are still making a arms out of metal, just a different design, you just think its not possible for it to be cheap, because you think of aftermarket prices when your here LT or aftermarket quality, but the fact is, just because suzuki can put alot of effort into development, and design a product that is of high quality doesnt mean it has to cost more than normal, they just found a formula that works, you guys just dont believe it because your so used to seeing aftermarket that is so expensive, that because its "aftermarket". its developped to be for add ons, not produced at the factory, hence the big prices

and whats so wrong about the efi? i mean, cdale, gas gas, and the new rappy use it, and there prices are at a good level (well the raptor is, with the gasgas not far behind)

i think these features you guys say are rumors will be put on the bike, im sure suzukis bike will be race ready either way, whatever they do

I have been working really close with a guy who makes LT a-arms, I have a very good idea how much they cost to make.

[450robot]

i dont think it would cost as much for a national corperation to buy the metal for the products, as it would for an aftermarket company

there are many differences in prices from a mass-production based company than an aftermarket factory based company

i think you are just ranting, and have no clue of what you are talking about

either way, if they make standard travel or lt, they are both most likely gonna be made of chromoly, and they both almost require the same amount of material

you cant just go by what aftermarket charges for there products, because it is completely different from mass production charges

the price of parts for a company like suzuki is all based on the money it took to research and design the part, not what type of part it is! if they come up with a good plan, and take action towards it, they could produce a top notch product at a low price

[Warnerade]

prove it...

[DaleJrFan]

i hope that suzuki gets the job done with a quad that is race ready off the showroom floor. as for price, it wouldn't surprise me if it was 8 grand or so.

okay,how much would it cost some one like you and me to make a hybrid yfz450, and then how much does it cost yamaha to make theirs :blah:

[450robot]

Originally posted by yzfmxer
okay,how much would it cost some one like you and me to make a hybrid yfz450, and then how much does it cost yamaha to make theirs :blah:

you hit the nail on the head,

for instance it would probbably take walsh or some after market company $400 to make a set of LT arms (i dont know, just an example) it would cost abut half that for a coperation that massproduces products to make something like lt

and he just doesnt seem to understand that

industry costs vary on the type of buisness

[GE4x4]

What I don't get is why Suzuki would produce a quad that has a very small market share. A quad that comes 50" wide is only good for the MX track. That artical says it's lower and wider. So where else would this Z450 be used for. How many race MX that buy sport quads 1 out of a 100, most likely more. They would be smart to do the EFI but keep it at the same widths as everyone else and let the people mod the quad the way they want. This will keep the cost down and be more appealing to more. IMHO

[protraxrptr17]

I don't see the big deal if it costs over 10K. You will have much more than that in a race ready YFZ or 450R. It would be much easier to go to the bank and borrow the money for a brand new bike that is ready to go, than it is to go borrow 7k for a bike and then try to save up for $5000 more for aftermaket stuff. Then you have to try to sell all the stock crap you took off absorb some of the cost. Then, when you get ready to sell it, you take a big loss because the bank isn't going to loan somebody $8000 for a used bike.

As far as the EFI goes, it wasn't too long ago when we all thought there was no way 4 strokes could replace 2 strokes in motocross. Don't rule out new ideas before they have time to be refined.

[TC426EX]

mark my words that the suzuki factory riders will not be running stock suspension at the GNC's. Suzuki would never make this bike to be like the cannondales. People want to mod their chassis and bikes in general how they want. I am not a fan of "race ready out of the box" bikes as they like to call them at all... In my case, I have certain companies I will always use, like PEP, Laeger, JB, etc. and even if the bike came with elkas and housers, Id be puttin that stuff on ebay to make it my own anyway

[JRP]

Originally posted by Lil_300Ex_Kid
I dont care what anybody, or any magazine says. Its all BS till it hits showroom floors/ and or released OFFICIALLY. Not word of mouth or your moms b/f's sisters uncle's brother said. I very serious doubt it will come out with LT suspension, EFI, and swinger. I also doubt gust said it was the best suspension he ever rode, unless it's TI LT a-arms, TI shock parts, elka track elite shocks. And if it does, you will be looking at a 20k + price tag. So please, stop spreading rumors.:cool:

agreed. it dosent matter what everyone says. we will just have to wait untill its released to see if it sapnks the R and YFZ.

[protraxrptr17]

How do we know that the MX market is small? Look at all the aftermarket companies that thrive from selling wider arms and axles. I think a TRUE race bike would bring more people to our sport. You can go buy yourself a motorcycle, numbers, and your gear at any dealership,and be legal to race anywhere in the country. I have never been in a dealership that even had nerfs, kill switches and number plates in stock. It would make it much more appealing to new riders if they could just get it all in one place without doing all the research and time spent ordering and waiting on parts. You could stop at a dealership on saturday morning and walk out ready to race the same night. If this sport is ever going to keep growing I think this is the direction it is going to have to take.

Originally posted by protraxrptr17
How do we know that the MX market is small? Look at all the aftermarket companies that thrive from selling wider arms and axles. I think a TRUE race bike would bring more people to our sport. You can go buy yourself a motorcycle, numbers, and your gear at any dealership,and be legal to race anywhere in the country. I have never been in a dealership that even had nerfs, kill switches and number plates in stock. It would make it much more appealing to new riders if they could just get it all in one place without doing all the research and time spent ordering and waiting on parts. You could stop at a dealership on saturday morning and walk out ready to race the same night. If this sport is ever going to keep growing I think this is the direction it is going to have to take.

Very well said, I totally agree

[SRH]

this is the only good guess, maybe aluminum frame maybe efi

prob be full mx width, with "longtravel" but all stock style components just wider and longer, suzuki will race this quad "stock" but it will have beefed up look alike parts and the shocks dialed in perfectly with better internals..... stronger look alike axle and the showroom models will be priced competitvely with the yfz and r

[MotoX3]

i sure hope it doesnt come with efi....too many people will buy it not knowing how to work it and mess them up....i know efi is awesome when you get it dialed in...but the slightest bit off and it usually sucks....id rather rejet any day...jmo:ermm:

[enduro400rider]

i hope suzuki does have all that was said in QUAD. it will dominate the YFZ and maby dirt wheels will accually pick a non yamaha quad as the winner of a 450 shoot out. i think yamaha has had its time at the top and some one needs to take it over. maby someday Honda will get the idea and start building a new quad :rolleyes: and possibly be on top again like the old 250R days

[bad01300ex]

I heard gust would be riding it at round 12, of course thats what i "heard" so who knows

[SGA]

Originally posted by enduro400rider
doug gust said it has the best suspention ever even better than all the aftermarket hes ridden.
I had to kinda laugh when I read that.
Who does Doug Gust ride for? Im not big into MX, but i think its Suzuki isnt it?
What was he supposed to say? " Its ok, ive ridden better though":o

[Martin Blair]

ill stick with my honda thankyou, just liek 400ex vs ltz 400, a little bettr but not enough to force me to switch

[YFZ450Ridr]

i think it will be race ready, but to an extent. if it were to be fully blown race ready for the track it would cost alot of $$$. i do believe suzuki will step it up but not to some of the extremes a lot of the people think.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by bad01300ex
I heard gust would be riding it at round 12, of course thats what i "heard" so who knows
Would you just please stop man, c'mon :grr:

[WKY400EX]

I was thinking, wonder if Suzuki will release two 450's. One an MX version, and the other more of a toned down sport version. It seems that's what all the companies are doing with the 450 dirtbikes. Just a thought?

i was kinda thinkin that too, and i heard honda is suposed to a a more trail orinted 450 so i dont see why suzook wouldnt do it, and all yall people that think a race ready quad is crazy, what do you think all the mx bikes are, most of them even come with renthals bars stock now

[slcpornstar69]

The Suzuki dealer show is this weekend. It'll be unveiled there!
It has Efi and is 3" wider! Price is going to be about $8500!

That's all fact! It's suppose to be pretty sick.:cool: :macho

[400exrules]

Originally posted by slcpornstar69
The Suzuki dealer show is this weekend. It'll be unveiled there!
It has Efi and is 3" wider! Price is going to be about $8500!

That's all fact! It's suppose to be pretty sick.:cool: :macho

well yee-haw cuz no one will be buyin that....hope they dont make a mistake with prices like cannondale did

[DaleJrFan]

8500 might be on the money if the quad is all it is built up to be(+3 inches/efi/chrome alloy swinger/kick a** shocks). all this hoolpa on here and not one single person has any cold hard facts about the quad. lets just wait and see what the final product will be. just my 2 cents.

[WKY400EX]

If this thing is MX race ready, $8500 probably isn't all that bad. It better be worth all the hype though. If it turns out to be better than the Yamaha and Honda 450's (which will be hard to do), there's a good chance I'll ride yellow next year.