Pic Of The New Polaris Outlaw

[Rootar]

ok here it is I took this pic with my webcam because the scanner is broke so its fuzzy but if any one else has the september issue of dirtwheels its on page 16 at the top

im pretty sure thats just a predator...

[Rootar]

i know the pic is really bad but it the best i could get ill keep trying to get a better one for awhile . but in that you can make out the IRS and that thing in the middile is the subframe, it has resivior fox rear shocks and a rear sway bar too, the rear irs is also tilted upwards at the front like the front end of a 250r

[slcpornstar69]

think they'd have a pic on dirtwheels website??

Originally posted by slcpornstar69
think they'd have a pic on dirtwheels website?? i highly doubt it, and i highly doubt thats the outlaw, but u could try. www.dirtwheelsmag.com. the fact that they would have leaked it to dirtwheels but not put it on their site is a little fishy:o

[Rootar]

honest there is no way this was computer created its forreal and is completely legit would you like to wager if im rite or not because id be glad to becasue im looking at teh real thing rite here in dirtwheels and if any one else has the mag please back me up becasue its easy to see its real that pic is really bad ill trya few more maybe theyll trun out alil better

[Rootar]

another

[400exrules]

wtfs is up with the back of it:huh :huh

where did u get the september mag, i subscribe and havent received it yet

[Rootar]

last try at a less fuzzy pic

[Rootar]

i picked it up at teh local grocery store today they were jsut putting it out:D got the first one its has the 06 line ups first report on new wolvorine 450 (yamaha) the new DINLI 450 and 270 sport quads, the new rhino 450, plastic buyers guide,and a texas mud maddness article and tehy test the new drakart turbo 660, and they test natalie's 450r clone........






now for those of you who dont believe me kiss my *** dont think this mag was supposed to be put out till tomorrow thats why i guess im the only one whos got it. why we would get the first copies down in in south arkansas i dunno but w/e you will all see im rite. in a few minutes ill take a pic of the cover for you if youd like.

[diangelo#67]

wow that looks like independent rear suspension

[thrasher_ex]

wouldnt the irs weigh a lot more than just a swingarm? or....not?

[slcpornstar69]

I'm thinkin I believe ya. I don't think anyone would post a fake pic and take the BS that'd come after that! Just my opinion!

[Tommy 17]

can u post the words that are with the article... type them out for us...

thanks...

Originally posted by thrasher_ex
wouldnt the irs weigh a lot more than just a swingarm? or....not? yea and now u need 2 rear shocks:eek:

[bman9]

guys it has irs :( from predowners.com

[rollie]

looks insanly heavy:eek2:

Originally posted by bman9
guys it has irs :( from predowners.com :( :ermm: :eek:

[slcpornstar69]

:eek:

I agree, it looks heavy! What were they thinkin?!!

is that thing in the center the exhaust:eek:

[Quad18star]

Now that's different . Going to be interesting to see how it performs . I know HSD Racing had kits available for an IRS LT 250r and apparently it handled awesome ... I'm sure Polaris put a lot of effort into this one.

i guess companys are gonna have to make extended rear a-arms too!!

[Tommy 17]

more money in shocks...

more money to widen...

more money in the up keep of all the rear end parts in the drive train...

more expensive...


but also u can put a long travel a-arm set up on the rear now like the front.... if u can get enouf motion out of the drive train...


if u look closely the top a-arm is just a single bar...

[Out_Sider]

polaris has never been one to make the lightest we all know w/ the pred, but this does look interesting, i'd like to ride one and see how this irs does.. very interesting, but im curious as to how body roll will come into play w/out a factory sway bar system??

[Quad18star]

I'm interested in seeing what makes the rear wheels turn . I see a chain and sprocket in the pic ..... I guess there will be shafts?? :confused:

[YFZ450Ridr]

would irs make it want to roll in corners more because all 4 ends would want to flex?

[genxracer]

with the right suspension the roll shouldnt be an issue, it would make up for it on the straight aways and uneven bumps/landings

[rollie]

when will we see it...at 12????? on the polaris website?? its coming out the 22nd it says...so im guessing at 12?

[slcpornstar69]

Originally posted by bman9
guys it has irs :( from predowners.com

any other pics?

[Punk'd]

Ahh man:ermm:

[bman9]

oh no polaris is in minnisota sp? anyhow they are on central time and were on eastern... darn it please be eastern.

[bman9]

there is just some from the other models.

[Tommy 17]

i was sittin here thinking about this... if u want to widen the rear...


you need new a-arms at 500 - 2700$ (laegers)

elkas or axis or any other shock at 395$ - 1500$

new longer drive shafts (god only knows)

then when u lengthen the drive shafts ur gonna make them weaker so ur gonna snap drive shafts all the time...


god help anyone that wants to modify this thing!!!

[NEPA250R]

I have a feeling that there will be some mad Outlaw racers when people start bumping them from behind and crush that exhaust.

from what i can see theres no way to drive the rear wheels :confused: , its probably front wheel drive:rolleyes:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by aLLoY MX 428
from what i can see theres no way to drive the rear wheels :confused: , its probably front wheel drive:rolleyes:

Theres a chain.. and I hear its still a 500cc

yea but what does the chain turn, explain to me how that rear setup works please:o

[Punk'd]

Whatever those black things are

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by aLLoY MX 428
yea but what does the chain turn, explain to me how that rear setup works please:o

It would run similar to how a 4x4 quad with IRS runs.... chain turns driveshafts which turns the wheels.

[Atkins]

Originally posted by aLLoY MX 428
yea but what does the chain turn, explain to me how that rear setup works please:o

Its just like ute IRS, only more racier i guess. It has an axle on either side.

maybe its just me but it seems theres just too many expensive things to go wrong on that quad

[slcpornstar69]

It's not just you!:huh

[Punk'd]

So im guessing midnight?

[slcpornstar69]

Eastern?? I guess we'll see in 50 min.:ermm:

Originally posted by slcpornstar69
Eastern?? I guess we'll see in 50 min.:ermm: there in minnesota, so idk if ittl be eastern time:(

[ramp rida 55]

now people are gonna start breaking things like axle shaft u-joints and cv joints. i dont know if they could handle mx racing

[Fred55]

heres a better picture

Originally posted by Fred55
heres a better picture isnt that the same one?

[Fred55]

oo woops i didnt see that one, i only saw the ones from dirtwheels!

[jesshamner]

For those of you that are asking about how the rear wheels receive power, there are drive shafts in the pic. Look at all that rear wheel travel. I hope that is a proto b/c it doesn't look like it would perform very well at all.

in my opinion
it looks friggen ugly

[rollie]

4 minutes till the 22nd wooo haha

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Marshmello
in my opinion
it looks friggen ugly

I agree.. IRS is a great design, but im not so sure about it aboard a Sport quad..

[slcpornstar69]

i guess we gotta wait another hour.:(

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by slcpornstar69
i guess we gotta wait another hour.:(

Guess so..

well it 12:15 in new jersey and still no outlaw

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Marshmello
well it 12:15 in new jersey and still no outlaw

maybe its pacific time?

[Mxracer53]

its central wiat 39 more mins like me.:rolleyes: i though it would be more like a w tec front end on the rear?

[TheFontMaster]

If they were going to go with an IRS set up it should have been similar to the Bombardier ttr rear IRS. IMO that is a far superior IRS set up compared to dual a arm, or in Polaris's case j arms.

[Mxracer53]

if it was me i would have went fox shock sluminum swinger and either no link or cr500

[Punk'd]

Heres what someone over at PredatorOwners.com said..

"it will not be at 12am........the person who is in charge of the site is most likely in bed!!!!!!!when he wakes up and goes to work he`ll update the site.then we will get to veiw to our hearts content the new predaturd."

[Toadz400]

About 20 more minutes until it should be on the website. I'm in Central time in Wisconsin near Minnesota. There's a Polaris plant in the town that I go to school in, took a tour of it actually for my welding class. Hopefully Polaris didn't screw this one up and try to make it like a Scrambler or something of the likes. That picture makes it look like the rear end sits awfully high like a ute and I don't see how that quad would be anywhere near affordable to maintain.

[Punk'd]

Ehh.. nothing yet 12:00

[slcpornstar69]

nope! ....:blah: to them then! I'll just check in the morning

[rollie]

yeah, the site isnt updated...o well ill check after work tommorow...this is gonna bother me all day lol:ermm:

[jesshamner]

Yep, I'm calling it a night too.

[Mxracer53]

im gunna hi the hay. ill check tommrow morning.

[jesshamner]

Its out! Man that thing is sweet! Its definitely not the same as the pics that were already out.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by jesshamner
Its out! Man that thing is sweet! Its definitely not the same as the pics that were already out.

You lie! I don't see it on the site:( :confused: .

[Fred55]

where?

[Nausty]

wow that thing really is pretty badass! I'm surpised at all the upgrades and new designs they are using.

I think its time to upgrade, if only I had the cash!

[jesshamner]

LMAO....I knew that would get a few of you. I'm just kidding. I know its childish but it was fun for me.:p

[Nausty]

Originally posted by jesshamner
LMAO....I knew that would get a few of you. I'm just kidding. I know its childish but it was fun for me.:p

:devil: damn it u took my idea!

[Toadz400]

We should sue Polaris for false advertising:p . They say come back July 22nd, well it's July 22nd and I see nothing!! I want them to pay for emotional, mental and physical damage done to me from staying up late! I'll never recover from this, scarred forever....you know, I could probably get away with that...but it's a good thing I'm not THAT desperate for money.:ermm:

[jesshamner]

No more replies? I guess I made everyone mad. LOL. Ok...I'm really going to bed this time.

[Flynbryan19]

They are still offering the standard and TLD predators. The "outlaw" is just a new polaris model.

[89'350RX]

7:30am and still nothing.....doesn't surprise me

[Flynbryan19]

Here ya go everybody. Courtesy of Predatorowners.com

[Flynbryan19]

And another. I haven't found any specs on it yet other than it is the same motor in the Predator.

The Predator will STILL BE AVAILABLE. The outlaw is just a NEW model from Polaris. Not a replacement for the Predator.

[Flynbryan19]

Another shot (again:o ) of the rear end. I'm thinking they designed this quad with sport/utility guys in mind. Should be a GREAT competitor for the V-Force/KFX-700 in the Gncc's. ;)

[Quad18star]

Christ that's ugly !!!!

[2001400exrider]

wow:huh that rear end is nuts. i can see that exhaust being crushed on a hard landing, like somone else mentioned..:rolleyes:

[89'350RX]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Christ that's ugly !!!!


Took the words right out of my mouth....Good Gawd!

[Flynbryan19]

Originally posted by 2001400exrider
wow:huh that rear end is nuts. i can see that exhaust being crushed on a hard landing, like somone else mentioned..:rolleyes:

LoL, how on earth can the exhaust get crushed?:huh Its IRS, which means Independent Rear Suspension. The center of the back end where the Exhaust is has no movement/pivot. Its a solid immobile part of the frame. :)

I think its ugly too guys, but hey I'm sure there will be plenty of people who like it.

[Flynbryan19]

Here is the new Predator. Forgive me if its already posted else where in this thread. I'm not going back through six pages to check. :D

[400exrules]

blehhh:huh :ermm:

i cant get used to the looks of that

[2001400exrider]

Originally posted by Flynbryan19
LoL, how on earth can the exhaust get crushed?:huh Its IRS, which means Independent Rear Suspension. The center of the back end where the Exhaust is has no movement/pivot. Its a solid immobile part of the frame. :)

I think its ugly too guys, but hey I'm sure there will be plenty of people who like it.

lol....slipped my mind:rolleyes:

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by Flynbryan19
Here is the new Predator. Forgive me if its already posted else where in this thread. I'm not going back through six pages to check. :D

From that angle , the front "nose" piece looks like some kind of wierd bird . LOL

[rollie]

is IRS really needed on a sport quad?? my swinger works fine this might be cool with GNCC but i dont think we'll see one at an MX track lol

[Flynbryan19]

Yeah, it seems like since the pred came out it has polarized people..... They either love it or hate it. lol

[Flynbryan19]

Originally posted by nacsracer12
is IRS really needed on a sport quad?? my swinger works fine this might be cool with GNCC but i dont think we'll see one at an MX track lol

Again, I think its gonna be like the V-Force. A good trail quad, but why on earth would you want to put it on an mx track. Thats what the 450's are for. ;)

[ATVVogt]

For those of you that want to read more about the Outlaw, ATVSport.com has an article up on it.

[theTman]

*barf*

[Snow]

http://atvsport.com/ts-ats/images/elements/989425_chain.jpg?wid=225&cvt=jpg

[Cody_300ex]

http://www.atvsport.com/output.cfm?id=989425 Fugly if you ask me.:ermm:

[Snow]

its pretty much a re-designed predator with IRS and its 2-3 mph slower :rolleyes:

[Matt37]

I think it looks nice, but then when you get to the rear it all goes south. Not a big fan of the whole IRS thing. Like someone else said, dont see the neccesity of it, I think the rear looks ugly.

well here it is,officialy
http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV/2006Models/Outlaw/

[MotoX3]

looks like the ugly wagon broke down outside of the polaris plant and supplied them with a few parts:eek2:

Originally posted by MotoX3
looks like the ugly wagon broke down outside of the polaris plant and supplied them with a few parts:eek2:

LOL!

I can see how the IRS will really help in the trails, I think it would make a great trail/GNCC bike.

499cc 4 stroke electric start liquid cooled motor.
front/rear suspensions have 10 inches of travel each.
weighs 440 lbs.
Front/Rear hydraulic brakes.
47.5 inches wide.....

[nacs400ex]

Im happy to see polaris is going this route. We need the companies to start bringing new ideas into our market. Rather then just basing all the new quads off the 250r and 4-stroke dirtbikes. This is what will take our sport to a new level, companies trying new things to see if they can get one step ahead. Polaris is in the right direction however my main concern with the IRS setup is the weight issues.

Look what cannondale did with their quads. They were trying to lead the market with their mostly race ready quads. Other companies tried to follow but their just not their yet with the 450's.

Im interested to see what the future holds. I wanna see Honda release a fuel injected quad.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by nacs400ex
Im happy to see polaris is going this route. We need the companies to start bringing new ideas into our market. Rather then just basing all the new quads off the 250r and 4-stroke dirtbikes. This is what will take our sport to a new level, companies trying new things to see if they can get one step ahead. Polaris is in the right direction however my main concern with the IRS setup is the weight issues.

Look what cannondale did with their quads. They were trying to lead the market with their mostly race ready quads. Other companies tried to follow but their just not their yet with the 450's.

Im interested to see what the future holds. I wanna see Honda release a fuel injected quad. I agree 100%!!
I for one am still dissapointed to see this new quad, but glad to see someone trying to step it up a notch,Ill be takling no interest in this quad and the weight was one thing I was REALLY hoping Polaris would focus on. Cant wait to read up on how it handles.

[Cody_300ex]

I was kinda expecting a huge *** like 525 KTM motor in there or something. oh well:ermm:

Originally posted by Lil_300Ex_Kid
I was kinda expecting a huge *** like 525 KTM motor in there or something. oh well:ermm: same, and i was expecting an MX quad with an axle:ermm:

[Hon300ex]

it looks kinda tippy, idk if someone already sed that though

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by aLLoY MX 428
same, and i was expecting an MX quad with an axle:ermm:

haha if anybody needs to team up its KTM and honda or KTM and suckzuki, not polais. Hopefully when the KTM quad comes out it will have frame geometry similar to the 250r's and a non-irs rear end.:ermm:

[QuadJunkies]

I heard that it wont be until like 2008 for the Polaris/ KTM

[jesshamner]

Originally posted by aLLoY MX 428
499cc 4 stroke electric start liquid cooled motor.
front/rear suspensions have 10 inches of travel each.
weighs 440 lbs.
Front/Rear hydraulic brakes.
47.5 inches wide.....


Where did you get these number? There is no way that the rear has 10 inches of travel. Look at the atvsport close up picture.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by jesshamner
Where did you get these number? There is no way that the rear has 10 inches of travel. Look at the atvsport close up picture. its on the polaris Website..

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
its on the polaris Website.. :macho

[QuadJunkies]

heres the specs

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV/2006Models/Outlaw/

[300exOH]

The video makes it appear to handle pretty well:devil:

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV/2006Models/HighPerformance/Videos.htm

I still don't like the way the back looks but the front looks pretty mean:scary:

[jesshamner]

Oops...I didn't read closely enough b/c I though it was all a graphic. Anyway, I still dont' see it having 10 inches or rwt. There isn't much shaft showing so it can only move the wheel up a few inches.

well you can argue with polaris on that one;)

[QuadJunkies]

I have always said that it would be cool to have a suspention set up like say a trophy truck ,flyin threw all those holes/ruts... the suspention sure looks cool! Just not what I was expecting... I hope it turns out to be what everyone wanted and then some..

I wonder when Matt Smiley will get to race one ....!! :macho

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
I have always said that it would be cool to have a suspention set up like say a trophy truck ,flyin threw all those holes/ruts... the suspention sure looks cool!

Yeah, but if you look at the relationships between height, width, and suspension travel, a trophy truck is much better suited to independent suspension. They are already wide and flat to begin with, so body roll isn't nearly as significant. An ATV, on the other hand, is much taller and more narrow, by comparison.

[jesshamner]

^^^^What he said.

[Atkins]

This was written by Rollie(nacsracer12):

dear polaris,

id just like to say you guys cant think of oringal new quads, so you take your old ones and throw a utilty rear end on a sport quad, making it weigh 439 and please dont think im trying to say this design is bad...it down right SUCKS!!! please let a 10 year old child design the next quad, maybe it will look like the plastic acually FITS on the quad. also i have a major complaint abou the add, it says "so fast its scary" its apredator 500 motor which is already outdated and not fast, now that you''ve added more weight, the quad will be slower so it would make perfect sence to put "so slow, its scary" instead, at least you wouldnt be lieing to your customers...if there where any, later

:chinese:

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by Atkins
This was written by Rollie(nacsracer12):

dear polaris,

id just like to say you guys cant think of oringal new quads, so you take your old ones and throw a utilty rear end on a sport quad, making it weigh 439 and please dont think im trying to say this design is bad...it down right SUCKS!!! please let a 10 year old child design the next quad, maybe it will look like the plastic acually FITS on the quad. also i have a major complaint abou the add, it says "so fast its scary" its apredator 500 motor which is already outdated and not fast, now that you''ve added more weight, the quad will be slower so it would make perfect sence to put "so slow, its scary" instead, at least you wouldnt be lieing to your customers...if there where any, later

:chinese:

lmfao go rollie!

[Atkins]

now his KTM letter:

dear KTM,

you guys are ****ing idiots, polaris isnt even a motorized vehicle company, they take plastic and steel and cobble it together and call its something "new and different" go back to being your own company and build you own quad, it will be 10000 times better than any polaris out...the first time you try to build it

lol, hes gonna be pissed when he finds out i posted these from AIM:blah:

[fasterblaster09]

What is the world coming to..well it is different.

[redlineranger]

damn.... i just seen it and there not much to say about it except its a poolaris:ermm: :scary: ..... its a fugly POS

[YFZ450Ridr]

i think it would make a great trail bike with the extreme ground clearance it has. looks like it would have a plush ride on it because of the irs. looks like the front end is still really wide. on the video on polaris, the guy was doing doughnuts and high speed turns so i guess they got the suspension right on the *** end. i wonder if they are going to still make the pred with this out?

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by 250EXridr
i think it would make a great trail bike with the extreme ground clearance it has. looks like it would have a plush ride on it because of the irs. looks like the front end is still really wide. on the video on polaris, the guy was doing doughnuts and high speed turns so i guess they got the suspension right on the *** end. i wonder if they are going to still make the pred with this out?

I agree, but I still think they should have made a 450:ermm:

[AlbaKFX]

No nearly stock 400ex owner should EVER bash a quad twice as fast by saying it's slow. Nor should a 15 year old write emails to multi-million dollar successful corps telling them they do nothing but wrong for this sport. Both unwritten rules.

Now, this quad may be a Predator with some added weight, but like I said over @ Z400Central, the added weight will NOT be an issue like it would with a stock regular Predator. The IRS will soak up stuff that you would normally have to take it easy though, easily pop over multiple ruts without the arse kicking out and such. You could go twice as fast through the terrain this bike is made for than with a normal SRA bike, making for much quicker times even with the added weight. Not to mention how much better you can put the power to the ground in many situations with this setup.

Also, this is the closest the ATV industry has come to trophy-truck stance. With aftermarket suspention (roughly the same price as it is now for two fronts and one rear, a-arms and swinger) with triple or quadruple rate this thing will be the best XC/GNCC/Desert bike. Oh, and no more getting bucked off when you land a little too far to one side, or bent axle & possibley swinger


Just my $.34

[sampleez]

http://www.yfztech.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/eek2.gif that's a gross quad. looks like it got http://www.yfztech.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/075.gif with the fugly stick several times.

the poo-laris engineers must do a lotta http://www.yfztech.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/bzr.gif at work

[Atkins]

Originally posted by AlbaKFX
No nearly stock 400ex owner should EVER bash a quad twice as fast by saying it's slow. Nor should a 15 year old write emails to multi-million dollar successful corps telling them they do nothing but wrong for this sport. Both unwritten rules.

Woah, easy on the joke emails that were never sent.:chinese:

I think it has a damn good chance of winning some GNCCs. Its a fast trail bike plain and simple.

[AlbaKFX]

I know that... I don't even think they have an email address? I was just saying people should keep quiet about how slow the quad is when they know (or should) that it's still faster than theirs.

Picture it like this.. I pull up to a decked out full on race YFZ with my trail snail, and tell him my KFX has less accessories so I will take his bike. "I bet i'll beat you in a race, *****?" :huh

[TGW_400ex]

I don't really think sport quads need IRS IMO.

[TCracin440ex]

damn, that thing is ugly....looks like it fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down

and this is something im beginning to notice alot of too and im sick of...I wish all these damn atv companys would quit puttin ramaha yaptor tires on these quads....these tires BLOW....the z400 has them, kfx has them, 450r has them, raptor, the yfz has their raptor front tires, and damn im just tired of it...get another tire to put on these machines

Originally posted by 2001400exrider
wow:huh that rear end is nuts. i can see that exhaust being crushed on a hard landing, like somone else mentioned..:rolleyes:

how the hell could it get crushed????? that section does not move like your conventional swingarm, only the rear a-arms will be moving.

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV/2006Models/Outlaw/

[rollie]

Originally posted by AlbaKFX
No nearly stock 400ex owner should EVER bash a quad twice as fast by saying it's slow. Nor should a 15 year old write emails to multi-million dollar successful corps telling them they do nothing but wrong for this sport. Both unwritten rules.



i never sent those e-mails or anything, i was bored on AIM so i made them up,its just my opinion, i really just made it for a laugh not to bash polaris owners

[Jersey450R]

i would think this quad would be back heavy, have alot of frame problems, and not corner as well at high speeds.
but who knows, we havent even seen real pics yet...

I dunno what all the crying is about, its simply independent suspension which will always be better than a regular swingarm.

seems to me like it would be a good performer.

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/pooplaris1.jpg

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/pooplaris2.jpg

on the link i sent is also a video of it...

[Pappy]

i wonder how the IRS will affect the quad when jumping?


smiley likes his so i suppose it will be a deent quad, definatley different!

Originally posted by Jersey450R
i would think this quad would be back heavy, have alot of frame problems, and not corner as well at high speeds.
but who knows, we havent even seen real pics yet...

No it should have Less frame problems and corner better and handle better overall because of the independent suspension.

right now if you ride over something going fast on your right rear tire your entire swingarm has to move up also moving the left tire up, thats alot of shock where as with the independent you have no swingarm jerking upwards only the right rear tire and nothing else.

I think i like it, at least they had the balls to try something new on the sport quads.

Havent seen real pictures yet???? its on their site.

Originally posted by Pappy
i wonder how the IRS will affect the quad when jumping?


smiley likes his so i suppose it will be a deent quad, definatley different!

Does your 2 front a-arms affect your jumping?????

No....

the way you all are talking about it being bad, how about you put a straight axel for your front wheels and see what the difference would be.

Its a great design.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by Pappy
i wonder how the IRS will affect the quad when jumping?


smiley likes his so i suppose it will be a deent quad, definatley different!
extremely different. there is a downside however. outlaw owners are going to have to but 4 shocks and 2 sets of arms. i'm sure there will be other little things that are a pain to deal with, like rear balljoints if it has that type of set up :huh . how many of those are you going to break in a hard day of riding:eek2:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Does your 2 front a-arms affect your jumping?????

No....

the way you all are talking about it being bad, how about you put a straight axel for your front wheels and see what the difference would be.

Its a great design.

i understand the concept of teh IRS, and i do believe it will affect the way the quad handles when tackling large jumps. it will take a different riding style that is for sure.

watch some video of the score trucks and buggies and watch them as they launch from jumps, the landings sure look smoother then a live axle, but i would like to see how such a short wheel base quad handles. it could be much better, i geuss we will have to ride it and see.

Doubt they would use balljoints, its probably dog bones, simular to the setup on R/C Buggies.

As for cost of widening it, i doubt it would be needed the handling will be greatly improved and doubt it would need widening.

Yes we will have to ride it and see.


But as for jumping i know it will be much better on landings, it will not effect the takeoff thats for sure.

Anyone that played with r/c cars can tell you that the r/c cars with straight axel in the back bounces around like crazy on landing and the ones with independet suspension lands very smoothly, and cornering will be a dream.

[Jersey450R]

there is definitly going to be many rear end issues and shock debate when this quad hits the floors. how are you supposed to compromise rear end shock compression without getting body roll??
its just seems to me that this quad is going to need a few years on the market to prove this concept of IRS. the 1st year of production on the polaris outlaw is going to be like a make or break type of deal for it. its going to be expensive and even more expensive to upgrade it.

I also dont see much weight difference, hell it might even be lighter than your current stock A-ARm.

No big beefy hunk of metal (for instance the raptor swingarm)
coz its replaced with stirdy tubular design which we all know is better and lighter.

Some other pro's

Rear Wheels will always be planted because of the IRS so you will automatically have better traction.

Less Roll in corners
Smoother landings
Will be much better thru Ruts on the track.

Hell i wanna ride the damn thing. Granted its still the old motor but hey there not improving in the power aspect, they are improving in handling aspect.

PS site says 10 inches of travel for the rear IRS.

Originally posted by Jersey450R
there is definitly going to be many rear end issues and shock debate when this quad hits the floors. how are you supposed to compromise rear end shock compression without getting body roll??
its just seems to me that this quad is going to need a few years on the market to prove this concept of IRS. the 1st year of production on the polaris outlaw is going to be like a make or break type of deal for it. its going to be expensive and even more expensive to upgrade it.

Well you know what, all i can say is "Whatever" everything so far on this earth that moved from straight axel to Independent suspension has been WAAAAY better than its original.

You get MORE roll on your convensional design becuase your shock is at the CENTER of the frame where it takes tons more force to compress it using a straight axel on a corner (look up leverage on the internet) 2 shocks one on each side on the IRS will compress easier and smoother, because the weight is right there and will not effect the ENTIRE QUAD.

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Well you know what, all i can say is "Whatever" everything so far on this earth that moved from straight axel to Independent suspension has been WAAAAY better than its original.

like what???

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
like what???

Like what?????

How bout prostock vs f1... give me a break dude, thats the stupidest question ever asked to me.

Like i said, switch out your front a-arm setup and put a bug front end on it and let me know how much better it performs.

[TCracin440ex]

actually IRS sucks when it comes to drag racing....my buddy has a cobra with IRS and he hates it....TOO MUCH WHEEL HOP...

Who the hell is talking about drag racing????

Where talking about handling thru corners, ruts, jumps (uneven surfaces)

PS Cobra what????? STang???? if so thats not Full independent rear suspension, its still straight shaft with 2 shocks on each end, not an A-Arm setup like say Sand Rails.

[Atkins]

I really wish they would have put double a-arms in the back instead of that crappy half an a-arm on top.

Not needed why put it???

[Atkins]

If its needed in the front, why woyuld it not be needed in the back? Seems a little too flimsy to jump to me.

Its needed in the front because the bottom is already thin and light...

tis why i will never change my OEM lower a-arms on my 250R, nice and beefy.

Oh just for your information..

Its wheelbase is 2 inches wider than a 450R

im sure most of you put on +1's +2's on your 450's to widen it.

Weight is 439 Dry vs 450's 350 pounds

[slamdak8782]

At first I was really divided on this one but check out some cool advantages when you take of an uneven jump you will probably be more likely to come off even. Second it seems like there will be less body roll so less effort by the driver to keep weight on the wheels. I really think that this could be an awesome machine for just about everything but drag racing. Make it 40 to 50 pounds lighter and it could revolutionize the industry although I still like the looks and simplicity of a solid axle.:rolleyes: I really dont know what to say but I wish polaris would make a 450 irs or not.

[QuadJunkies]

wheres the Rezzies on the fronts? I thought that would MAYBE come as a standard on the new quad :ermm:

[Merriman]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Who the hell is talking about drag racing????

Where talking about handling thru corners, ruts, jumps (uneven surfaces)

PS Cobra what????? STang???? if so thats not Full independent rear suspension, its still straight shaft with 2 shocks on each end, not an A-Arm setup like say Sand Rails.

99% of the sand rails come with Volkswagen style rear trailing arms, not A-arms. Same for class 1 desert race cars. And nearly all "Trophy-trucks" use a straight axle on a 4 link rear end, again not an A-arm set up.

How ever the front ends on all three above do use A-arms.

And the front of a "bug" is also a trailing arm setup, not a straight axle. ;)

[Rootar]

ok first off i think all of you need to quit complainining. dang just becasue they didnt release a new mx quad doesnt mean you gotta whine about it. this is a trail bike, its gots lots of ground clearance so you dont get stuck in ruts or hung on things. and with the irs its gonna ride ALOT better trough anything other than a smooth flat surface. and id bet lots of money that they wotn have frame problems idependant suspension is ALOT easier on a frame than a swing arm and SRA. i mean think about it think of how much side and twisting force is being sent to your frame where your swing arm bolt is when you land one rear wheel before the other..........so think about it. and stop hateing this a great idea and is gonna make trail riding and racing alot more comfortable and fun also you WONT GET STUCK just because youve only got 5 inches of ground clearance under than rear skid plate. so until you ride one and judge it for what it is made for all you whiners just need to shutup

oh and this thing is gonna rip in the gncc especailly on al teh muddy tracks (seems like they all are) no more worrying about ruts



ps: mods i sorry for the the venting i just hate to see a company thats out there trying something different that will soon revoultionize the class of quads its in be ragged on and hated for no reason other than the fact that people dont like the look of it. i mean come no one liked the way the 450r looked when it frist came out. in quads as i think it should be in all things performance and quality are more important than looks so some people need to get over it. nad i hope you mods will back me up on this

[QuadJunkies]

I think things just need to tone down abit , or Ill have to shut er down :huh

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Rootar
ok first off i think all of you need to quit*****ing. damn just becasue they didnt release a new mx quad doesnt men you gotta ***** about it. this is a trail bike, its gots lots of ground clearance so you dont get stuck in ruts or hung on things. and with the irs its gonna ride ALOT better trough anything other than a smooth flat surface. and id bet lots of money that they wotn have frame problems idependant suspension is ALOT easier on a frame than a swing arm and SRA. i mean think about it think of how much side and twisting force is being sent to your frame where your swing arm bolt is when you land one rear wheel before the other..........so think about it. and stop *****ing this a great idea and is gonna make trail riding and racing alot more comfortable and fun also you WONT GET ****ING STUCK just because youve only got 5 inches of ground clearance under than rear skid plate. so until you ride one and judge it for what it is made for all you whineing *****es just need to shut the hell up!

oh and this thing is gonna rip in the gncc especailly on al teh muddy tracks (seems like they all are) no more worrying about ruts


2 things....



1) do you kiss your mother with that mouth

2) i dont know what was worse, the typical rants about something new or your rant about those ranting:huh

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
wheres the Rezzies on the fronts? I thought that would MAYBE come as a standard on the new quad :ermm:

That's what I was looking for too since it has the piggybacks on the rear .... maybe they are remotes like on the Predator and are hidden ?? :confused:

[Nausty]

dunno if i'd buy one cuz I ain't tryin to be no guinea pig... 1st year raptor or cannondales anyone?

its definitely badass they are trying new designs and ideas though!

[Rootar]

really sorry QJ and pappy

ill fix it and im sorry again i got wound up after reading such a good thing being down graded for nothing and i appolgize, wont happen agian

[Pappy]

no prob dude, we have all been there:D

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Quad18star
That's what I was looking for too since it has the piggybacks on the rear .... maybe they are remotes like on the Predator and are hidden ?? :confused: nope. no riezzies on the front.... I would LOVE to hear what Matt Smiley has to say about how it handles,maybe he could fill us in soon!! :macho

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Rootar
really sorry QJ and pappy

ill fix it and im sorry again i got wound up after reading such a good thing being down graded for nothing and i appolgize, wont happen agian

Thats cool, thanks ... no harm done ;)

[bradley300]

i think thew sway bar will help, but look at a sportman 500, the have a swaybar and they still roll like a SOB. stragth sections that thing should be able to make up a whole lot of time. i can see that thing winning desert races pretty quick!

BTW, you guys can give up on an mx quad,polaris is not interested. why do you think they broke off with rath and went with smiley? to get more focused in on their target auduience, trail riders

[AlbaKFX]

I seen an '05 TLD at a dealership a few days ago that had this Outlaws rear shocks, on the front. I didn't even notice the lack of ressie on the front of this thing. Thats pretty stupid

IMO, Polaris is just letting us get our feet wet with this thing. If all goes well, they will develope newer more improved sport bikes (hopefully not more Predator look-alikes, though I love they way they look) and other companys will surely follow. I'm glad someone is smartening up and putting their focus on the 90% of people who buy the bikes for rec. purposes, to try to produce something better for what trail riders do.

[JabberJaw]

Originally posted by nacsracer12
looks insanly heavy:eek2:

Yeah? So does my ex-wife, but someone still rides her!

[rollie]

Originally posted by JabberJaw
Yeah? So does my ex-wife, but someone still rides her!
hahahaha, i guess im looking at it from an MX riders view, it'll probaly be nice on trails but i doubt it will prove itself on an MX track. i also think polaris isnt going the right route with focusing on trail rides, up here almost everyone races because theres no where to ride, polaris is very rare up here besides a few preds at the track,again, this is all from an MX racers point of view

[4trax250x81]

Another pic I found.

http://www.motorsports.com/outlaw.gif

[lilbear]

Okay for everybody saying it will suck on an mx track, how many people that would buy it actually set foot on an mx track?

I wonder what this thing would be like with LT suspension all around?

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by lilbear
Okay for everybody saying it will suck on an mx track, how many people that would buy it actually set foot on an mx track?



Thats just it... theres a fwe riders out there that was HOPING for an MX Quad from Polaris, but like mentioned by antoher member, Polaris wants NOTHING to do wit the TT/MX side of things , thats a shame.... :ermm:

[MOFO]

Ok, I did not read this entire post, but everyone seems to be forgetting the regular joe that likes to rip out on the trails. Everyone does NOT mod their quad to the max and everyone does not race. Heck, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Polaris's business (I'd even say majority of ALL ATV sales) does not race - they are weekend warrior's. What they have done with IRS is two big things IMO - much better ground clearance and a better ride - 2 big things for weekend riders!

This is a good move on their part - Solid Rear Axles will not live forever! Someone has to think outside of the box and try something new! You can bet your bottom dollar that with time and development, IRS is going to be the cat's meow in the ATV world.

Originally posted by MOFO
IRS is going to be the cat's meow in the ATV world.

wtf ?:huh :huh :huh

[MOFO]

Originally posted by yzfmxer
wtf ?:huh :huh :huh

I guess thats the only comment on my post?

*sigh*


...anyways, for some reason that phrase stuck with me. A co-worker used it the other day.

[yoshimurakfx400]

WOW! that thing is awsome i was gonna get a new 06 yfz450 but forget that im getting the Outlaw

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by yoshimurakfx400
WOW! that thing is awsome i was gonna get a new 06 yfz450 but forget that im getting the Outlaw

:huh You're a low budget 15 year old MXer with one quad already and you were planning on getting a new one? How are you going to afford that??:confused:

I wouldn't mind having one of these new Outlaws...does it have reverse?

Originally posted by Toadz400


I wouldn't mind having one of these new Outlaws...does it have reverse? yes, its got reverse

[Atkins]

It reminds me of what a hummer is compared o a regular truck as far as ground clearance offroad. This will definitely kick *** in the trail.

[blastereatin250]

I was just at a polaris dealer and they said something about a predetor with irs. I thought he was bsing me.:eek2:

[pozer777]

dude the polaris outlaws are badd *** they have indeped. rear suspension w/ a badd excaust in the middle

[pozer777]

dude the polaris outlaws are badd *** they have indeped. rear suspension w/ a badd excaust in the middle

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by pozer777
dude the polaris outlaws are badd *** they have indeped. rear suspension w/ a badd excaust in the middle

This site needs spell check :eek2:

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by pozer777
dude the polaris outlaws are badd *** they have indeped. rear suspension w/ a badd excaust in the middle
'that a fact ? :rolleyes:

[BlasterEaten250]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
This site needs spell check :eek2: and a delete threads that are 7-8 months old:eek2:

[Rootar]

who brought this old *** thread up? this thing has got to be 7 months old atleast