Question for Jeff@QuadShop Please

[bryan.young1]

hey jeff i have been talking to you for about 5 weeks now about my order for October. i cant wait and you have been more then great about answering my questions and helping out. i have posted alot about the setup im getting from you and i keep hearing that i cant do it. now since i have talked to you in person about it i know that im not confused. could you please just confirm that i can get this setup for my 87 250X. i would help me answer all of the people that say its impossible. that way i can just link to this thread. i cant prove it myself until oct when i take new picks.

also i forgot to ask the last time i called but do you know where i can get a manual for my 250X for when i do the piston and cam?

thanks again jeff
bryan

Comming Soon From The Quadshop!!!!!
To A 250X Near Me!!!!!!!

1. Burgard LT arms +3 +1
2. Elka triple fronts with piggy rezzies and comp adjust
3. Elka dual rear with comp/reb adjust rmt res
4. LT brake lines
5. web all around cam
6. new piston higher 12:1 compression
7. white bros e-series (exaust pipe only).(i have the WB head pipe
already)
8. plus 10 size over stock main jet.

[cdalejef]

What is someone telling you that you can't do?

[hardkoratvmxr]

i have bveen reading about it and everyone is saying burgard only makes +4 lts for the 250x/300ex not +3 that he has to run +4s for lt

[bryan.young1]

at first they said that i couldn't run tripple rates on a 250X without a relocator, i called you and you said the LT arms took care of that. now they are saying that burguard does not make LT +3+1 for my bike and i can only get +4s or something. I know it sounds like highschool banter and i shouldn't worry about it but i dont want to tell any body they are wrong without backing it up. thats why i posted this thread so i could just link to it and show what you said.
i believe you 100% and i know that you wouldn't say you could sell it to me if it wouldn't work. i just got sick of explaining the whole story to people when i tried to post questions about the new stuff im getting.

thanks again jeff
i really appriciate it

bryan

[cdalejef]

Your correct, you can run triple rate shocks with the Burgard LT arms. It is possible however that they only make them in a +4. I'll have too call Izzy and ask him.

[300exOH]

Anyone have pics of the burgard LT's? I looked on thier website but they just have the old ones. What length shocks are they made for?

[cdalejef]

I've sold several sets. They use 400ex length shocks.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
I've sold several sets. They use 400ex length shocks.

That's what I thought. Are they a gullwing design or does the lower shock mount hang below the a arms?

[cdalejef]

I can't remember off the top of my head. I have a set due in here tomorrow. I'll take a pic and post when they get here.

[bryan.young1]

Ok so i can only get +4+1s?????? i thouhgt that when i first spoke to you we decided on +2+1 LT burguards and tripple rate elkas? they do not make those?

thanks again
bryan

[cdalejef]

I'm not sure, I'll have to call them and find out.

[bryan.young1]

thanks jeff, just when i thought i had it all planed out. i dont think that +4 arms are good for MX track are they? if they dont make +3+1 LT i would go back to +2+1 LT if they make those. i hope it doesn't effect the price. oh well.

thanks again i appriciate it
bryan

[bryan.young1]

ttt

[bradley300]

you may be getting confused because burgaurd has LT a-arms but jeff has been using a 400ex shock mount bracket to make an LT front end with standard travel a-arms.both use 16inch tripple rate shocks

[cdalejef]

We are talking about the Burguard LT arms. I don't sell the relocation bracket.

[bryan.young1]

Jeff@QuadShop Your correct, you can run triple rate shocks with the Burgard LT arms. It is possible however that they only make them in a +4. I'll have too call Izzy and ask him.

sorry to bother you but i just wanted to know if you had a chance to ask him yet. im just trying to figure out how to change up my set up to get the same result. thanks again jeff

bryan

1. Burgard LT arms +3 +1
2. Elka triple fronts with piggy rezzies and comp adjust
3. Elka dual rear with comp/reb adjust rmt res
4. LT brake lines
5. web all around cam
6. new piston higher 12:1 compression
7. white bros e-series (exaust pipe only).(i have the WB head pipe
already)
8. plus 10 size over stock main jet.

[honda250xrider]

If i were you i would go with the +4+1 lt a-arms, this would get you closer to the 50" limit and would handle considerbly better than the +2 front end imo. I've had the +3 and the +2 front end from burgard and i have to say the extra width is nice.

[sampleez]

yep, just like the old pontiac commercial...wider is better

[bryan.young1]

ok so +4+1 isn't too much for MX i forget that my little 250 is much narrower then most of the new 400/450s i could go with the +4s. thanks guys i was worried about being too wide not for the 50 inches but i have heard that you can go to wide and its not good for the track.

thanks
bryan

[hardkoratvmxr]

+4s on a 250x/300ex isnt over the 50 limit. I think you can also run +3+2 rims to make it 2 inches more wider but i am not sure on that one.

[bryan.young1]

i measured and with +4+1s i would be at 48" front and 44" rear. then i just need to add a +2 LS axel and im set.

thanks for the feed back guys

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by 300exOH
That's what I thought. Are they a gullwing design or does the lower shock mount hang below the a arms? They are the gullwing design.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
They are the gullwing design.

Good. I've seen some for other LT a arms that have the mount below the a arm and it looks like the mount would be very vulnerable especially for xc/trails. The gullwing design is much better IMO. Any pics yet?

[cdalejef]

I didn't take any, I already shipped them to the customer.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
I didn't take any, I already shipped them to the customer.

I see how you are! j/k You said they use 400ex length shocks right? Do you know the length off hand? I got my elkas through you but I'm not sure how long they are. I am running the standard burgard +2's w/a shockmount bracket and I was wondering if it would be possible to switch to the gullwings and do away with the bracket without having to redo my shocks. Thanks for the info Jeff

[cdalejef]

You will still need to have your shocks revalved and resprung to work with these arms.

[300exOH]

I thought so. Thanks Jeff

[300ex73]

Originally posted by bryan.young1
i measured and with +4+1s i would be at 48" front and 44" rear. then i just need to add a +2 LS axel and im set.

thanks for the feed back guys

Actually, I've been doing some measuring as well. From the best i can tell, with the new front end it will be about 47 inches. Plus if you run 4-1 offset rims, it'll drop down to about 46 inches. Still pretty wide for a 300. I'm the customer that Jeff was referring to on the control arms. they should be here by tomorrow, so if they show up, I'll get some pics. Keep in mind, they're bare, so they'll look kinda funny.

And the Lonestar axles are +4. It'll make the rearend 48 inches wide.

Here's what the rearend looks like with a LSR axle.

[bryan.young1]

hey send more picks that is a nice looking bike. yea after i thought it over and took thost measurements it didn't seem too wide. im looking foward to it. that axel is sweet. that will be my addition next year.
thanks again
bryan

[300ex73]

I got more pics posted in the body section, just look around. I posted a couple yesterday in the thread asking about 400EX plastics on a 300. And as soon as I get the arms back from powdercoating, I'll make sure to get a few more pics. The only things left on my list are a new swingarm, and some beadlocks. But those may have to wait for a while. And make sure to talk to Jeff when you wanna order the stuff, trust me, he'll be able to get you hooked up right.

Big thanks to Jeff. I appreciate all the help on the suspension.

[cdalejef]

No problem, sorry it took so long.

[300ex73]

Hey, no problem man. I'm just glad to finally be getting them. Btw, did you take a look to see if the balljoints were disassembled? If not, oh well. It shouldn't be too hard to get them taken apart for pc'ing.

[cdalejef]

I didn't think too look.

[300ex73]

It's cool. I got them today and checked them out. They left them disassembled like they said they would. But they forgot the 4 heim joints for the upper control arms! Please help me out on this one. They're supposed to be back from the powdercoater in a couple days, and I'm really anxious to get them put on. Also, something doesn't look right about one of the upper arms. I figure it should be ok to use, but make sure to take a look at the pic I took of the spindle end of the uppers.

And just so anyone who is wondering knows, yes they are gullwing design, and they look pretty tough.

[300ex73]

Here's a side view of the lowers.

[300ex73]

Top view of the uppers.

[300ex73]

Alright, here's the view of the spindle end of the arms that i was talking about. What do you think Jeff? Will it be ok? I took a long look at them, and the difference isn't as bad as the pic makes it look. From the best I could tell, there shouldn't be any binding as far as up and down travel. Just lemme know what you think, and what you can do as far as the heim joints for these uppers.

[bryan.young1]

i like that design, i think that the burgards LT are the same rite? once you get it all together could you post some picks of the bike. i will have to live vicariously (sp) through your bike until i get the money for mine.

bryan

[cdalejef]

I can't see anything in those pics.

[300ex73]

Originally posted by bryan.young1
i like that design, i think that the burgards LT are the same rite? once you get it all together could you post some picks of the bike. i will have to live vicariously (sp) through your bike until i get the money for mine.

bryan

Yeah, I'll post some pics as soon as I can. And these are Burgard LT's. And as for the cost, they weren't too bad. Not a whole lot more than a set of some standard LSR a-arms.

[300ex73]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
I can't see anything in those pics.

Take a close look at the end of the arms in the last pic. That's with them laying flat. They don't seem to be at the same angles. Maybe I'm just worrying about nothing.

[bryan.young1]

hey that reminds me how do you measure the distance in the front and rear. i have just been taking a tape msr and going from the fartherst out nub on the tire that i could reach to the other side. is that rite?

thanks
bryan