2006 650r or a 700r???

[sgerbyshak]

Is Honda going to release a 650r or a 700r to compete with the new fuel injected rapter 700? Maybe we will see something this fall at the trade show....

[tedscrappy300]

I think it would be cool if they did

[StuckInTheMud]

ok, my buddy that works for honda said that they were talking about releasing the 06 450r with a new color and on top of that wil reverse and electric start, and they took the rincon 650 out of the lineup and going to replace it in 07 with a trx650r:eek2:

[Jonas]

What would be the advantage of having a trx650r over a trx450r???

[nowukno]

Originally posted by Jonas
What would be the advantage of having a trx650r over a trx450r???


Heavier and slower

[StuckInTheMud]

not always, depends on how they design it

[ridinredodb]

it would be heavier and slower just like how the raptor is heavier and slower than the YFZ.

Originally posted by Jonas
What would be the advantage of having a trx650r over a trx450r???

i dont know where any of you guys got slower from, this thing would be a rocket, they had a 650 in dirtwheels awhile ago, i think it was a bomb squad rider, and it was awsome, somewhat light, and super fast, the only down side is no racers would use it because of the CC limit, but it would definantly challenge the raptor

[nowukno]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
but it would definantly challenge the raptor


The 450r/yfz stock for stock will already walk all over a raptor or a v-force , i guess it would be cool if they made a 650ex/650r with e-start and reverse. Some people would buy it just to have those options on a very fast honda sport quad but i bet the 450r/yfz will still be faster.

Originally posted by nowukno
The 450r/yfz stock for stock will already walk all over a raptor or a v-force , i guess it would be cool if they made a 650ex/650r with e-start and reverse. Some people would buy it just to have those options on a very fast honda sport quad but i bet the 450r/yfz will still be faster.

the 650 engine will walk all over the 450's according to the bomb squad rider, its in dirt wheels, it was an older one, i dont remember what one it was tho, but i still wouldnt buy the 650, but im sure a lot of rec riders would

[One_Bad_400]

i dont know what your smoking but i'm pretty sure they wouldnt take there most hiperformance 4x4 off there line up to put a nother hiperforance sport quad... why couldnt they just keep it and come out with a new one... i dont think honda is that dumb?!?! thats just my 2 cents

[nowukno]

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
ok, my buddy that works for honda said that they were talking about releasing the 06 450r with a new color and on top of that wil reverse and electric start, and they took the rincon 650 out of the lineup and going to replace it in 07 with a trx650r:eek2:


Ok , i can see the 05 450r's having e-start/new color but there is no way that they will have reverse and there would probably be alot of pissed people if they took away there best utility/4x4 atv. Im sure if they do release a trx650r quad they will keep the rincon 650. Look at yamaha , they have a 450 (yfz) and a 700 (raptor) quad and still have the huge grizzly 4x4.

[sgerbyshak]

I agree, I can't see honda droping the rincon fron their lineup. But the guy did say that his friend said honda was "TALKING" about droping it, not that they "WILL" drop the rincon. Honda has so much more money and resources than Yamaha, they should be able to have the best of everything be it sport or utility or trail or whatever...

[StuckInTheMud]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
i dont know what your smoking but i'm pretty sure they wouldnt take there most hiperformance 4x4 off there line up to put a nother hiperforance sport quad... why couldnt they just keep it and come out with a new one... i dont think honda is that dumb?!?! thats just my 2 cents

atvwannabe:

we just got in some of the honda brochures for 2006, and besides the color changes, there are a few more updates... i wasnt allowed to really look, but they have big changes for the 450r this year, which means either electric start, reverse, or both... also, they have eliminated the trx650fa/fga, known as the rincon... not sure what they will add next year, but thats all i know for now... just figured i would share that little tidbit with all of you

atvwannabe:
300ex and 400ex are no longer yellow, they are either black or red, some of the utility bikes will come in blue now, not just the recon, and thats about it for now... they are talking about releasing a trx650r for 2007, so we will see

read that you a holes, all i said was there thinking about it, you dont gotta go aginst everything that someone says on a site, :devil:

[sgerbyshak]

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
atvwannabe:


read that you a holes, all i said was there thinking about it, you dont gotta go aginst everything that someone says on a site, :devil:



Relax...no need to call names. We are all atv riders here...

[awj8074]

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
atvwannabe:

we just got in some of the honda brochures for 2006, and besides the color changes, there are a few more updates... i wasnt allowed to really look, but they have big changes for the 450r this year, which means either electric start, reverse, or both... also, they have eliminated the trx650fa/fga, known as the rincon... not sure what they will add next year, but thats all i know for now... just figured i would share that little tidbit with all of you

atvwannabe:
300ex and 400ex are no longer yellow, they are either black or red, some of the utility bikes will come in blue now, not just the recon, and thats about it for now... they are talking about releasing a trx650r for 2007, so we will see

read that you a holes, all i said was there thinking about it, you dont gotta go aginst everything that someone says on a site, :devil:

1st
if the 450 does get e-start and reverse it will be called teh 450x and the kickstart one will remain the 450r.
2nd
they will not be making a 650r and if anything does come out it will be called the 650ex and built off the 400ex platform. the 650ex would be more of a trail quad just like the raptor is.

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
atvwannabe:

we just got in some of the honda brochures for 2006, and besides the color changes, there are a few more updates... i wasnt allowed to really look, but they have big changes for the 450r this year, which means either electric start, reverse, or both... also, they have eliminated the trx650fa/fga, known as the rincon... not sure what they will add next year, but thats all i know for now... just figured i would share that little tidbit with all of you


ya i noticed that in the brochure also, no more rincon, maybe they are upgrading it or something, who knows

[troutman561]

why would they put reverse on the 450r.. i see the e-start, but reverse for something made for the track... unless they do the 450x thing.. but why would they run 2 of the basicly same bikes...

[sampleez]

same reason honda's got a crf-r and crf-x 250 and 450, and yammi's got the yz and wr 250 and 450

on a side note....the black 300 looks pretty dang good

[One_Bad_400]

atvwannabe? ok... i might not know as much as you about them... thats how i was when i got into them... followed everything, knew the hp of all the quads and $hit... but now i dont really care to follow the stuff and know about this stuff... but on the actual ridding level... we'll see who the atvwannabe is... :blah: newbe


but i just would had never figured they would get rid of it.... and i think that would be dump to put reverse on a 450r... or even make a 450x... thats what the 400ex is for?

how come you northerin get the brochure's and bikes first... man we get stuff alot later than yall... like ps2's and stuff

[StuckInTheMud]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
atvwannabe? ok... i might not know as much as you about them... thats how i was when i got into them... followed everything, knew the hp of all the quads and $hit... but now i dont really care to follow the stuff and know about this stuff... but on the actual ridding level... we'll see who the atvwannabe is... :blah: newbe


but i just would had never figured they would get rid of it.... and i think that would be dump to put reverse on a 450r... or even make a 450x... thats what the 400ex is for?

how come you northerin get the brochure's and bikes first... man we get stuff alot later than yall... like ps2's and stuff
why dont you quit being a dick and quit acting like your better than anyone else, cause you aint $hit, atvwannabe is not even on this site, hes on another site that im on

i think it's awesome to finally have this kind of excitement and anticipation in the sport quad category.

no more "when's the 250r coming back?"
or "when are they going to make something other than a 400ex?"

[StuckInTheMud]

as of right now, im not sure but when i find out, ill keep you posted

[Jonas]

Just so everyone isn't getting confused here, Honda is not talking about a trx650ex in '07, that may have been the last magazine that you read. Don't listen to anyone that said there friend that works high up at Honda said this. They are most likely changing the models in which they have not announced yet. Most importantly to most of us, the trx450r has not been announce yet. In my personal opinion, working at a dealer for 20 years, Honda will not add electric start and definately not reverse to their race quad. This is not to say that they won't develop a model that has these, but they didn't just build this quad overnight. It takes years to design this kind of machine and I doubt they will just say "oops, we forgot to put reverse on our race quad." I am all in favor of an additional "450x" model that has reverse and electric start, but I think that you should at lease expect considerable upgrades to the 450r. Everyone will know for sure in early September.

The only advantage of a trx650r, in my opinion, would be a possible top speed increase in which I don't really care much about. 0 to 70 is the most fun for me.

[chad502ex]

450r new all aluminum (not craptor hybrid type either) spar frame with fuel injection. I've been saying this for 6 months now..

you all should just believe me LOL!

[awj8074]

Originally posted by chad502ex
450r new all aluminum (not craptor hybrid type either) spar frame with fuel injection. I've been saying this for 6 months now..

you all should just believe me LOL! fuel injection requires a battery or they would have to develop somthing like my Arctic cat snowmobile has batteryless EFI. You pull once to charge and the second one starts so on a batteryless 450 i guess it would be one kick to charge and one kick to start. Now that would be cool.

[Punk'd]

Lets hope Honda upgrades there site as well to be more intertaining like Yamahas. Cool websites make me happy:cool:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by awj8074
fuel injection requires a battery or they would have to develop somthing like my Arctic cat snowmobile has batteryless EFI. You pull once to charge and the second one starts so on a batteryless 450 i guess it would be one kick to charge and one kick to start. Now that would be cool.

yes- now that would be kewl!

sweet concept, but realistically honda will probally do all aluminum spar frame only and then release second 450X version with electric start and reverse with 04 and 05 steel frame

Originally posted by chad502ex
sweet concept, but realistically honda will probally do all aluminum spar frame only and then release second 450X version with electric start and reverse with 04 and 05 steel frame

if that happens I will crap my pants again

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
if that happens I will crap my pants again

crap your pants again? you did already? you crack me up man,,

LOL:blah:

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
can you guys not effn read? i said this is what i heard, all you lil ***s gotta biatch and argue about everything said in the forums, this is an open forum and all i said is that is waht i heard , why dont you guys quit arguing about it and shut the eff up

I sense alot of hatred here!!

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by TWISTED
I sense alot of hatred here!!

Yep lol

[K-Dub]

I can see why on Hondas part to do away with the 400ex and make a 450x with e start and reverse. It would be cheaper for Honda to build the 450r and 450x than 2 completly seperate bikes like the ex and r are. The rollin chassis would or could bethe same on the r or x where they are not on the r and ex. This would only require 1 assembly line for the rolling chassis and minor changes to the engine cases, you could use the same cylinder, head, carb and intake as the R. This would save them money in the long run imo.

[StuckInTheMud]

400excracer
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06 450R Info

It is finally confirmed. The 06 450R will have electric start. I talked to someone that I race with that works in r&d at honda. He said that the 06 450R will have electric start. As far as any other changes, I don't know. I didn't have much time to talk with him. Hopefully I will get some more info at our next race.

there you idiots, even someone else knows what there talking about too

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
400excracer
Junior Member

Registered: May 2005
Location:
Posts: 5

06 450R Info

It is finally confirmed. The 06 450R will have electric start. I talked to someone that I race with that works in r&d at honda. He said that the 06 450R will have electric start. As far as any other changes, I don't know. I didn't have much time to talk with him. Hopefully I will get some more info at our next race.

there you idiots, even someone else knows what there talking about too

this coming from people with 5 posts and 36 posts :ermm:

[250xridamatt]

Maybe they will suprise us all and come out with the all new honda trx50r to compete with the raptor 50. :rolleyes:

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
this coming from people with 5 posts and 36 posts :ermm:

How true!!!

[awj8074]

Originally posted by 250xridamatt
Maybe they will suprise us all and come out with the all new honda trx50r to compete with the raptor 50. :rolleyes: i'd buy it

Originally posted by chad502ex
450r new all aluminum (not craptor hybrid type either) spar frame with fuel injection. I've been saying this for 6 months now..

you all should just believe me LOL!

maybe i'm crazy, but i really don't think the R would gain anything from an aluminum frame.........except for some corrosion resistance and looks.

the frame would have to be beefier to compensate for the aluminum's inferior strength.......frames would probably break more often............and, i'm not so sure that you'd be saving alot of weight.

but, like i said, maybe i'm crazy

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by force
maybe i'm crazy, but i really don't think the R would gain anything from an aluminum frame.........except for some corrosion resistance and looks.

the frame would have to be beefier to compensate for the aluminum's inferior strength.......frames would probably break more often............and, i'm not so sure that you'd be saving alot of weight.

but, like i said, maybe i'm crazy

valid concerns. HONDA definitely has the technical knowledge and ability to build solid spar frames- look at all their crf dirt bikes, they all have spar frames on their R's. Think about their strength too!! Ever heard of those dirt bike spar frames having issues? I don't know, maybe your right about the tube strength up front being weaker, but the spar frame surrounding the engine would be superior and if HONDA is going to redesign the frame anyway- why no incorporate these aluminum changes into the new design?

[sgerbyshak]

does anyone know the exact date of the trade show? Sometime in September?

[Jonas]

Sept. 7-10. I am going and will take lots of pictures. I'm sure they will have all of the details on their website on the day they announce to the dealers though.

[One_Bad_400]

if ya'll already seen this stuff... did they do anything with the trx90 or 250ex... cuz they aint showing up nether

i went to my honda dealer yesterday to see the new books or what ever and they said they havent got them in yet... but he said the new 450 should be in the shop in september

[Jonas]

He was probably trying to get a deposit from you by saying it will show in sept??

[400exc]

well, but what will happen to the 650 rincon, they better keep it, or maybe take it away and come out with a 800 4x4? that would be pretty nice ehh? they will probably take away one of the smaller quads away such as a 250 or 300 and replace it with a bigger 650 or 700? i am just thinking, but who knows, honda is gonna make the decision, and thats that. A 650 would be nice, but thats alot of wieght your carrying around on a big performance quad there, it wont go that much faster than the 450r, but yea, they are coming out with electirc start on the 450, which is nice, but i dunno bout reverse now?

[sgerbyshak]

Has anyone really heard that honda will have EFI and an aluminum frame? Any real insight or wishfull thinking

[400exc]

i hope so, man that would be pretty nice

[markk]

The raptor was one of the most worthless sport quads produced. I think honda had done everything they need to do for a few years. They will always be building new quads and putting there R&D threw long hours.

I think if they build a 650-700cc quad they need somthing to compete with the Kawies We need some other brand besides Polaris, and V-forces on that line!

[robman]

I can kick a raptors but with an ex all day in the woods and on the track:) .You can have your dunes.

[DEAL]

Originally posted by StuckInTheMud
ok, my buddy that works for honda said that they were talking about releasing the 06 450r with a new color and on top of that wil reverse and electric start, and they took the rincon 650 out of the lineup and going to replace it in 07 with a trx650r:eek2:


go sit in a corner .. thats the worst thing I heard all week.

[troutman561]

my uncles friends best friends sisters boyfriends cousin works at honda and he said the new 450r will fly(like a plane)

WTF!

The quad scene has really gone to hell.. all quads looking alike, racing quads getting electric n reverse.. i quit im selling my 400 n getting a bike!

jk.. lol but seriously.. its gay!

[smr]

I got some top secret information.

Honda will be releasing two versions of the 450

TRX450r..for mx

TRX450er..for woods racing

This is the real deal..no bs.

i don't believe that b.s.

trx450er sounds stupid
almost like trx450-DER!!!

[smr]

It's true...just remember where you heard it first.