LSR's newest XC Arms

[Pappy]

Everything needed for the new front end arrived today. I spent the evening installing Lonestar's new 450R XC a arms:D

I will be posting a full review this week!

are those stock length?

[Pappy]

just under 1/2 wider then stock

[woodsZrider]

whats the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$:eek2:

[Pappy]

full retail is $838 on LSR's website.

id contact LSR or any one of our sponsors about atvrider.com pricing:p

[T2RACING]

those look sweet,, cant wait for the review..

[Pappy]

after a ride or two im smiling big time:D they are dead on.

what happened to the ignorant guys post who was complaining about the price for only 1/2 inch wider? :confused:

[Pappy]

he is no longer a member of the site. ive had a belly full of his negativity. it was bringing me down so he got the big boot.

tired of the BS from a few and they will be removed from the membership.


if he had a few cells working in his brain, he would fully understand that the 450R and YFZ are already wider stock then a 400ex/z400 etc and +1/2 is more then enough for XC type riding. He then maybe would have considered that alot of thought had gone into the engineering of these a arms along with the shock set up to produce a superior quality ride and handling over a stock set up, not too mention the fact that the ball joints are replacable and the arms are fully adjustable.

man what being a moron will do to you:scary:

Originally posted by Pappy
he is no longer a member of the site. ive had a belly full of his negativity. it was bringing me down so he got the big boot.

tired of the BS from a few and they will be removed from the membership.


if he had a few cells working in his brain, he would fully understand that the 450R and YFZ are already wider stock then a 400ex/z400 etc and +1/2 is more then enough for XC type riding. He then maybe would have considered that alot of thought had gone into the engineering of these a arms along with the shock set up to produce a superior quality ride and handling over a stock set up, not too mention the fact that the ball joints are replacable and the arms are fully adjustable.

man what being a moron will do to you:scary:

so you like tha aarms that much? :blah:

Originally posted by Pappy
he is no longer a member of the site. ive had a belly full of his negativity. it was bringing me down so he got the big boot.

tired of the BS from a few and they will be removed from the membership.


if he had a few cells working in his brain, he would fully understand that the 450R and YFZ are already wider stock then a 400ex/z400 etc and +1/2 is more then enough for XC type riding. He then maybe would have considered that alot of thought had gone into the engineering of these a arms along with the shock set up to produce a superior quality ride and handling over a stock set up, not too mention the fact that the ball joints are replacable and the arms are fully adjustable.

man what being a moron will do to you:scary:

i have some questions for you...

are those LT?
how do you feel the axis shocks compair to the elkas?
can you tell the differance from those arms over the stock arms, and if so what is the differance?

thanks :macho

[Dave400ex]

Very nice looking setup Pappy. Can't wait to read the review...

[Pappy]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
so you like tha aarms that much? :blah:

had nothing to do with the subject at hand, and ive grown short on dealing with complete ignorance.




as far as the review, ill try my best to answer all the questions asked and then some.

[spincr4hire]

man, everybody is switching to Axis...:confused:

isn't that the same setup Johnny G is running?

[CdaleXtreme]

thats great all LoneStar can do is copy everyone elses Design.

First walsh with the 450R linkage system

Now Ars-FX with the A-arms.



I guess thats the nature of a free market though.

[kbass24emtp]

They all (Walsh, LSR)look like a copy of the CR 500 design to me.

[Pappy]

honestly i couldnt tell you what or who copies who. i try not to let designs influence my judgement on a product but i am more concerned on wether or not it works.

as far as walsh, i didnt think they made products for the XC market:confused: and concerning ars-fx....i tried getting a set for the past few months to no avail. LSR has them and I got them within a week so they are ahead of the game in the service department:p i was also concerned that if i indeed got another set of ars-fx(yep i had a set) that i would fight tooth and nail getting servicable parts for them. atleast with LSR i know i will have no problem getting things when needed.


no complaints on the axis shocks other then i still prefer piggy back rezzys. performance is fine as i expected.

spincr4hire, yes JG is running this same set up. I actually did not know this until after i ordered them. JG says they are top notch and likes them.

[Johnny_G]

Originally posted by Pappy
JG says they are top notch and likes them.

Best front end set-up I have ever ridden. I was told by the smartest, most reputable ATV suspension GURU that I have ever known... that this LSR set-up is the Best LSR product he has ever seen....and one of the best ATV products he has ever seen period!!!!!

To the gentleman who posted the little quip about copying this product from ARS-FX......NOT hardly......the similarities end with the upward bending lower A-Arm which is nothing more than good design work for XC....everything else is completely unique.


Enjoy your front end PAPPY....I AM CERTAIN YOU WILL

[cady#1]

Hey Johhny are you running the new LSR rear end yet?

[Punk'd]

WOW.. the arms and that bike look awesome togther!:eek:

[CdaleXtreme]

Let seem some close ups, I want to check it out! :D

[Pappy]

Originally posted by CdaleXtreme
Let seem some close ups, I want to check it out! :D

[Pappy]

I think Cody has finally gotton himself an eye for taking pictures:D

[Out_Sider]

looks to me like you can't keep the front end down to test it out :blah:

just kiddin those arms look awesome, those axis sure do go with the quads colors too

[Pappy]

i may have to re adjust the rear shock beacuse the front suspension is deffinatley transfering to the rear faster. stiffing up the compression on the rear should be all thats needed. razor2's bite a bit hard also:p

[remlapr]

Pappy, what's the shock length for those arms?

[Out_Sider]

Originally posted by Pappy
i may have to re adjust the rear shock beacuse the front suspension is deffinatley transfering to the rear faster. stiffing up the compression on the rear should be all thats needed. razor2's bite a bit hard also:p

haha ya gotta love it right :macho

[Pappy]

Originally posted by remlapr
Pappy, what's the shock length for those arms?

i will measure them but im geussing 18 -19 inches. they sure feel good :D

[muddy400EX]

why do the arms look upside down like that? is that just the way the xc arms are? i prolly sound like an idiot but ive never seen em like that:p

[Pappy]

the leading arm of the lower control arm has an upward bend.

ARS-FX was the first to bring out this style of arm near 2003 i believe. It seems to be working well for them. LSR took from what they had in styling and brought out this arm. (there is no hiding the fact that the styling stemmed from the ars-fx)

for xc it allows for what seems like more ground clearence. i will try and figure out how much more when i can get 4 or 5 different set ups lined up for a wheel to wheel measurement.

I also have a set of housers here that work extremely well, but the steering on the LSR feels superior. This is not a cheap front end, but I believe it should be considered by anyone that is looking to get the most from thier money. I look forward to riding the quad more and seeing just what it will do for me in varied conditions.

i would have treated the new set up to a weekend full of thrashing but my R now has a broken clutch hub so it will be later this week until i can get back out and play with it
:scary:

does LT really make a differance compaired to stock travel?

how you like the razr2s?

[Pappy]

im no suspension expert, so i can only relay what ive been told. LT shocks do provide slightly more travel but that in itself isnt the reason for the improved ride. The extra room in the shock body allows the shock to be valved better or something too that extent.

ive riden both LT and standard over the years and have felt good and bad in both. its going to come down to how well they were set up.


razor 2's are pretty mean. they deffinatley hook and bite harder then most tires on the market. i dont like itp simply because i seem to get flats (along with kenda) so maybe its just the fact that the razor is a bit sturdier.

[Dave400ex]

Pappy have you tried the I Razrs? I think those are what I want to get for my next set of tires...

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Pappy have you tried the I Razrs? I think those are what I want to get for my next set of tires...

yep. they did not do bad at all on normal riding conditions but didnt grab as well in slick conditions. i have not run the newest version so they may have been improved

[Dave400ex]

Well I have the standard Razrs all around now and have been happy with them, just wondering if upgrading to the I Razr was the way to go...

[MikeKyte]

I used a set of the new Irazors at milfeilds gncc mud fest and never got stuck any where they are truley the best tire for mud that I ever used ....

[TampaBoy813]

man those arms looks so good....I wana build a XC bike so bad!
Pappy hpws the 450R next to the YFZ for XC?

[Pappy]

its all personal preference. ballance and borich beat on both quads and both seems to work for them so is there really a solid answer to which is better? i personally like the E start for XC but if you are good enough the magic button shouldnt come into play.

both quads work thats for sure:p

[Punk'd]

You and your pictures pappy they never get old:macho

[Pappy]

maybe this will look better and give you an idea.

how do you like that WER dampner, is it better then the normal denton style dampner?

[jlm996s]

What offset on the wheels are you running?

[Pappy]

yes, i prefer the wer over a denton or other stick types


i run a 4-1 offset

[hoopd450]

pappy, what does that bike measure from outside of tire to outside of tire on the front? just wondering because it seems each brand of a-arm is a little different. thanks

[Pappy]

i will measure that for you:)

[cletusEX]

Hey Pappy I think you should bring that quad to Wisp and let me run it just to give it a good non-biased opinion. I even have a brand new clutch waiting.;) j/k man, but the more I see it the more I'm trying to figure out how to get a couple grand. Oh well maybe one day.

[Pappy]

Your not the only one that wants to ride it! I have everything needed to get the clutch back together so hopefully tonight it will be done and i will get the width measurements.

[CdaleXtreme]

Here is a Slighly Brighter pic of Pappys TRX, the pic was kinda dark so I ran it through photoshop. :D

<img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/1cernics1/PappysTRX.jpg">

[Pappy]

45 inches is what i came up with for the front end width with 4-1 hipers.


clutch wwas finished tonight so now i can go play:D and figure out the off idle stumble:grr:

[hoopd450]

45 inches is just about right. my old bike was 46 with burgard +1+1 a-arms. i get a pretty good deal from lone star so i think i'll get that same front end. thanks for the help.

[TRXDresh]

Man being a TT Rider who loves to do MX and XC, 45 inces seems narrow. Does the bike tip in hard corners like the stock bike does? A +2 set of arms really keeps the tires planted. How does this setup handle in this area? Great Thread I must say.

[Pappy]

well ill put it like this



i have talked to alot of riders that are using this style of arm with the axis shock. most cant say enough about how well this is working. i was shocked to run into a person that actually did not like this set up. when i asked why he went on to explain that he did not feel the quad cornered has well as stock(infact he sold the set up and is now running stock and this is a very very fast A class gncc rider)

now this was ironic. my first small test ride on the new set up albeit brief had me concerned. infact, i called harlen and he asked how it was and i believe my comment was "it rolls in turns badly". i first suspected the shocks maybe set up too soft. the very next day i pounded the quad and never once felt it feel soft and it handled perfectly. the only change i had made since the initial ride was to correct the toe and camber settings.

figuring that was the reason i gave it no more thought until the rider described above made his comment. that led me to ask about the axis shocks and it was told to me that the crossover and spring rate may need attention if this was to continue. i am happy to say that mine will be staying the same. i explained this to the mentioned rider and found that they never really attributed the feeling to shocks and may indeed be calling LSR to get back on this type of arm.


sorry for the long response, but when i review something i do it from my viewpoint and pretty much tell it like it happens. i cant explain the tech side of things but i understand them. now, to answer your question about the tire planting, the front end grabs the way it should and does not feel tippy even with the large tires for XC. i dont think strapping on a set of mx tires will be the perfect set up for mx but i cant see why LSR wont be making these in wider set ups for the mx crowd. (if they dont they should) i did not mean to write you a book for a response but i figured i'd might as well fill you in on what ive found so future questions would be answered or create a few new ones.

[Pappy]

here are a few close ups of the arms.

[Pappy]

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[Pappy]

view from behind

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by Pappy
sorry for the long response, but when i review something i do it from my viewpoint and pretty much tell it like it happens. i cant explain the tech side of things but i understand them.

Let me on that beast, I'll explain the tech side of things ;)

[Pappy]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
Let me on that beast, I'll explain the tech side of things ;)

your free to ride it, but thats a long way for a test ride:p

[TheIceMan]

nice setup Pappy :cool:

[Pappy]

5th gear pinned and she was as smooth as glass.

[Pappy]

The track we used for some seat time is rough. Ruts, rocks the size of small cars, its pretty bad.

The quad seemed to go where i wanted to go and i noticed i was not as worn out from turning. Rider input be it from the bars or from merely applying body english had the quad going where i wanted it to go.

[Pappy]

The added ground clearence is a huge plus. I dont think my rear end likes it but atleast im not plowing into stuff i used to hit:p

[Pappy]

We purposly hit several flat corners to see if the roll feeling would return, it did not:D

[Pappy]

Im going to have to say this product recieves a A+++ in my book. It does as it is intended to do and i am completely satisified with the new set up.

LSR, you have hit a home run!

[MD450r]

Sorry for being a little off topic, but a question about your stem. When you are sliding through the one turn it looks like your wheels are turned more than the stock stem would allow. If this is the case, then whose stem are you running.

The quad looks sweet too. Ive seen you up at Tomahawk a couple of times. It has the right combination of chrome and black to look good and the hipers top it off.


Aaron

[Pappy]

I run Burgard stems. I do believe he has them set up to allow a bit of over steer but Im not 100% on that.

Walk up and say hello next time, i dont bite.

and thanks, i like the quad alot, but the black fenders and tank will be replaced soon:p

[450RGNCC]

what toe/castor/camber settings are you running? I heard that 4.5 degrees positive castor, 4.5 degrees positive camber and 1/4" to 1/2" toe in is good. Am I right, or even close?

[450RGNCC]

***I heard that is good for XC settings***

[450RGNCC]

What shock length do those arms use?

[Pappy]

if i remeber correctly, i have it set up with 1/4 toe and 4 degrees camber. i did not take a tape to the shocks but i believe them to be 19 inches.

[jeepnrocks]

a friend of mine on my site has the ars/fx and he runs gncc events. he has told me that you have to run zero camber and almost zero toe or the ars/fx come out of adjustment on him

[Pappy]

i checked everything tonight, its the same as when i set it up.

[jeepnrocks]

Originally posted by Pappy
i checked everything tonight, its the same as when i set it up.
hope ya didnt take that wrong. i just meant that he was looking into some other setups I believe for that exact issue with the ars/fx setup

[Pappy]

oh not at all.

i have been trying to be as honest and forthright as i can be and so far zero issues or problems. (even ran into a tree for your testing pleasure..lmao)


i havent heard anything bad about arsfx except the usual junk. the biggest complaints are the price and the fact getting replacement parts isnt the easiest.

[Dave400ex]

Pappy I remember reading that you said you had a Houser LT setup as well. Was that the +.5 for XC? If so, how close does it compare to the LSR? Also, have you rode on the Houser linkage setup for the rear?

[Pappy]

the housers arent bad at all. they arent adjustable like the LSR (atleast the model i have) and id prefer to have the adjustability.

while i have not replaced the ball joints yet, i have been informed to keep a few extra sets around. not sure why that is but i have an extra set for the housers here.

i have riden the houser linkage and it seemed ok to me. i believe the shock has more to do with the rear end then any changes they will make with just a linkage. the newer set ups that incorperate a new swing arm and linkage will probably be the hot set up but that gets pricey.

[Dave400ex]

That is interesting about the ball joints, because on their LT models for the 450R they are using the FRAP, Laeger ball joints correct? I haven't heard of problems with those...

[Pappy]

The model i have has all encapsulated ball joints. I cant say if they were one of the first ones out and that they have changed designs or not. Houser makes some nice stuff, but if its non adjustable your stuck with his design....not that its a bad thing, at one time i did not want to adjust anything except the amount of gas the quad had in it:D

[Dave400ex]

Sounds good. I just checked the Houser website, the new ones seem to just be adjustable for camber. Let us know how the LSR rear end works when you get it!

[Pappy]

dave i couldnt stand myself on not being positive on the housers so i ran out and checked. the uppers are camber adjustable with the newer style ball joint, looks almost like what walsh and roll use? i did not pull back the rubber boot but you get the idea.

i will start saving for the new swingarm/shock....hopefully by fall!

[Dave400ex]

The Walsh and Roll I am thinking of are a bit different then what is on Housers site. I will post a picture of their arms that are on the site. I am not so worried about the design, etc, just with what works/how it works. I would like to get a 450 this fall, so I just want to figure out what the best setup for XC might be, that I can run Elka's with...

[Pappy]

yep, those are different then what i have. maybe there was a reason for the switch concerning the ball joints, im not sure.

hey pappy im thinking about making the switch to long travel setup like you have, except with the elkas instead, do you think it would be a good idea to go with the a-arms you have, LSR, or go with Herrmann racing a-arms? also what do you think of elka compaired to axis?

[Pappy]

I cant really comment on the Herrman product, since my expierence with them is only re coating them and not riding with them. I cant say enough about the LSR and recommend them highly.

I am an Elka supporter, and I dont think you will have any issues if you use them over Axis. When this all poped up, Axis had everything (measurements and specs) for the new arms so for time's sake i went with them.

I will atest that there is a marked difference in the ride between the Elka and Axis, and for higher speed riding I felt more confident on the Elka's, but Axis has a much smoother ride out of the gate. Axis, Works and PEP all seem to have better low speed ride quality, but Elka IMO wins out when the speed meets rougher terrain. This is just my observation folks, nothing scientific so please withhold your shock bashing for another thread:p

Originally posted by Pappy
I cant really comment on the Herrman product, since my expierence with them is only re coating them and not riding with them. I cant say enough about the LSR and recommend them highly.

I am an Elka supporter, and I dont think you will have any issues if you use them over Axis. When this all poped up, Axis had everything (measurements and specs) for the new arms so for time's sake i went with them.

I will atest that there is a marked difference in the ride between the Elka and Axis, and for higher speed riding I felt more confident on the Elka's, but Axis has a much smoother ride out of the gate. Axis, Works and PEP all seem to have better low speed ride quality, but Elka IMO wins out when the speed meets rougher terrain. This is just my observation folks, nothing scientific so please withhold your shock bashing for another thread:p

how much softer out of the gate r the axis over the elkas? are they better for GNCC/XC racing and rocks etc where you are usually going slower? how well do the elkas perform in the slow speeds compaired to axis, is it pretty close or the axis totally stomp them? sorry for all the questions jus if ima spend this much money this stuff better be good lol

[Pappy]

no, they dont stomp the elkas, they are actually both excellent.


hit the gas the next time your in the rocks, slow is not the way to go!

Originally posted by Pappy
no, they dont stomp the elkas, they are actually both excellent.


hit the gas the next time your in the rocks, slow is not the way to go!

ya i realize that, but there are also tight stuff and whoops all kinds of stuff, if LT is really that much better then ill get it, so is it that much better?

also, do the type of a arms affect performance?

[Pappy]

I think you may get conflicting opinions on wether different arms produce different outcomes as far as handling and such. From what I gather, the higher end suspension manufactures put alot of research into different things that do infact affect the final ride quality of the set up. Im assuming it has to do with the arc made during the suspensions travel and different rake angles but much past that you would need to be talking with someone who is way more knowledgeable then myself.

If your asking if I would switch from a standard set up to this set up for better handling and ride quality, I think I already have:D That doesnt mean standard length is bad, just that if your going to start somewhere, why not start at the top.

Originally posted by Pappy
I think you may get conflicting opinions on wether different arms produce different outcomes as far as handling and such. From what I gather, the higher end suspension manufactures put alot of research into different things that do infact affect the final ride quality of the set up. Im assuming it has to do with the arc made during the suspensions travel and different rake angles but much past that you would need to be talking with someone who is way more knowledgeable then myself.

If your asking if I would switch from a standard set up to this set up for better handling and ride quality, I think I already have:D That doesnt mean standard length is bad, just that if your going to start somewhere, why not start at the top.

OK then i will go with the LT with LSR/Elka setup, i hopefully will be able to talk LSR into sponsorship but if not then ill jus get them thro nac's :macho

[Dave400ex]

Let me know how it works with the Elka's...

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Let me know how it works with the Elka's...

will do, im going with elka elites with the high/low speed comp and the comp...no rebound...i dont think rebound is worth it on the fronts for $200 more, they will be quadrates

pappy those arms are jus 1/2'' wider right? is there any benifits of +1 forward or anything like that?

i just got off the phone with elka, talking to them about which a-arms would perform the best with their shocks, and i told them i was looking at LSR, houser, and herrmann, he said that he would definantly go with houser or herrmann he said they would definantly perform better then the lsr and you will have a way faster turn around time, so i began talkin to them about herrmann and houser and he said if he had the choice for the same price he would go with herrmann (which happens to sponsor me) because the fact that they make quality products and he knows all the people that work their etc, so it looks like im going ot go with herrmann +1 a-arms and the elka elite shocks :macho i will do a full review of them when i get them, should be sometime in august, i wanted to put them on and stuff after the season is over for me :macho

[Dave400ex]

I think you will be happy with whoever you go with. The biggest difference should be the shock setup. Plus going with a sponsor and getting a deal is always a plus!

[R3Concepts]

90% of the AZ pros run LSR components, but we all run MX, no woods around here. Find out what LSRs turn around time is, cause I doubt Elka knows, dont just take someones word, do your homework, it helps..Cause I just got the new GEN DC4s for one of our bikes today..as in SAME day..as in one day turn around, and we all hate that. Big ups to LSR, biggest name in the business. Dans got his act together, and thats commendable.

[Pappy]

yes that does seem very perculiar that elka would recommend any brand arm over the next. usually thier response is that they make shocks for all brands and dont support one over the other. im sure some of the larger companies will be happy to hear elka now recommends herrman over all other brands...including roll whom they are doing alot of work with.

the +1 forward will help with the front end climbing although mine still pulls hard but is more controlable id have to say.


as far as turn around, 1 week from order to i took possession is pretty good, i geuss i could have overnighted them?

Originally posted by Pappy
yes that does seem very perculiar that elka would recommend any brand arm over the next. usually thier response is that they make shocks for all brands and dont support one over the other. im sure some of the larger companies will be happy to hear elka now recommends herrman over all other brands...including roll whom they are doing alot of work with.

the +1 forward will help with the front end climbing although mine still pulls hard but is more controlable id have to say.


as far as turn around, 1 week from order to i took possession is pretty good, i geuss i could have overnighted them?

actually i have a 6 week wait to get the new LSR LT a-arms, i also was not talking to like the rep or nething, just some guy who builds the shocks, i didnt mention roll, i guess i will go +1 +1 then instead of jus +1 out, plus the LSR is gonna cost me like $300-$400 more then herrmann, also when people r saying good things about herrmann its hard not to buy them :macho

[Pappy]

i misunderstood you then, you stated you spoke with Elkai just got off the phone with elka

i am going out on a limb here and say that i get the impression you like to try and push one company over the next alot. i searched and just on exhaust systems alone you have dug a hole. if you plan on doing reviews or telling people about a product then you have to remain 100% neutral. its fine to have preferences, but not everyone shares the same views.

you will do fine with herrman. but id suggest you state facts and be very clear the next time you toss out company names. they all are here on the site and are quick to fire off a pm correcting information. why they dont just post it i will never know, i sure wish they would.

Originally posted by Pappy
i misunderstood you then, you stated you spoke with Elkai just got off the phone with elka

i am going out on a limb here and say that i get the impression you like to try and push one company over the next alot. i searched and just on exhaust systems alone you have dug a hole. if you plan on doing reviews or telling people about a product then you have to remain 100% neutral. its fine to have preferences, but not everyone shares the same views.

you will do fine with herrman. but id suggest you state facts and be very clear the next time you toss out company names. they all are here on the site and are quick to fire off a pm correcting information. why they dont just post it i will never know, i sure wish they would.

yes i wish i knew which a-arms were actually THE BEST, i am neutral on this, i really dont know much about LT, ive always ran stock a-arms and never switched to anything else, as for exhaust, yes i am a very strong believer in sparks, many other people may not be, but they have always helped me and done well for me, so thats y i support them, as for suspension i am a strong believer in elka, i have never road anything else, but this is jus baised on the fact that elka has really helped me out and has great customer service, etc, as for a-arms, i have no idea, but i would like to find out before i throw out the big bucks for long travel, but if there is only a $300 differance between the best and 2nd best, then id invest $300 more for the best, if you know what i mean :macho

and sorry for typing that, i figured you guys would know what i meant, i will specify next time

[Pappy]

You would have to make a thread and see who has herrman arms and is racing GNCC's or XC with them. I cant say anything bad about them, i frankly dont see many of them at the races.


Your shocks is where the performance is period. The arms will work as well as the shocks i should say.

Originally posted by Pappy
You would have to make a thread and see who has herrman arms and is racing GNCC's or XC with them. I cant say anything bad about them, i frankly dont see many of them at the races.


Your shocks is where the performance is period. The arms will work as well as the shocks i should say.

ok so the a-arms dont really matter, besides the fact of ground clearance, so really all of the differance is in the shock that it runs, i believe herrmann and houser both run the 20'' shock or 19 3/4'', they are very similar, i like the look of houser, but i have never seen herrmann in person, jus over the net, id like to hear some reviews of herrmann a-arms from people tho

[Pappy]

i did not say the arms do not matter. they infact do, but they will not make up for a bad shock or set up.


ground clearence can be of importance, but there is more to it then that. try getting a ride on a few different set ups, it sounds as if your basing your expierence on pictures versus seat time.

id factor in strength, design, bushing design, ball joint construction and to me, the ability to get servicable parts dependably. nothing sucks worse then not making a race because you cant get parts. and last but not least, your budget. if you cant swing the price then you will have to settle for something else.

Originally posted by Pappy
i did not say the arms do not matter. they infact do, but they will not make up for a bad shock or set up.


ground clearence can be of importance, but there is more to it then that. try getting a ride on a few different set ups, it sounds as if your basing your expierence on pictures versus seat time.

id factor in strength, design, bushing design, ball joint construction and to me, the ability to get servicable parts dependably. nothing sucks worse then not making a race because you cant get parts. and last but not least, your budget. if you cant swing the price then you will have to settle for something else.

y did u decide to go with LSR over other brands, like roll design, herrmann, houser, ARS-FX, etc

[Pappy]

as stated earlier in this thread, i had been for several months trying to get another set of arfsx arms with no luck. when i saw that lsr had this new style coming out i jumped all over them. i knew i wouldnt go wrong with lsr, because lets face it, you drop this much $$ on a set of arms you want to be dealing with a company that has a proven track record of taking care of its products and its customers.

and when XC racing is concerned, you had better be dealing with a shop that you can get replacement parts and fast. Xc riders tend to hand out some serious abuse on these machines, not too mention the elements that wreak havok on parts. some of the manufactures you keep mentioning make fine products, but i chose lsr and after making the call to the owner, i felt completely satisfied with my purchase.

Originally posted by Pappy
as stated earlier in this thread, i had been for several months trying to get another set of arfsx arms with no luck. when i saw that lsr had this new style coming out i jumped all over them. i knew i wouldnt go wrong with lsr, because lets face it, you drop this much $$ on a set of arms you want to be dealing with a company that has a proven track record of taking care of its products and its customers.

and when XC racing is concerned, you had better be dealing with a shop that you can get replacement parts and fast. Xc riders tend to hand out some serious abuse on these machines, not too mention the elements that wreak havok on parts. some of the manufactures you keep mentioning make fine products, but i chose lsr and after making the call to the owner, i felt completely satisfied with my purchase.

ah so you have a set of arx-fx already, how do you think those compair to the LSR?

[Pappy]

and too add, LSr's new swing arm and linkage is on its way

[Pappy]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
ah so you have a set of arx-fx already, how do you think those compair to the LSR?

i think they worked great. unfortunatley i was having a terrible time getting service parts for them and sold them. they could be the best arm in the solar system, but if the bushings are shot and replacements hard to get they might as well be junk.

as far as handling, i geuss you could consider this a pro class set up. and seeing i had bill ballances R(arsfx/axis equiiped ) here id say they were very very close to each other.

Originally posted by Pappy
i think they worked great. unfortunatley i was having a terrible time getting service parts for them and sold them. they could be the best arm in the solar system, but if the bushings are shot and replacements hard to get they might as well be junk.

as far as handling, i geuss you could consider this a pro class set up. and seeing i had bill ballances R here id say they were very very close to each other.

jus so many questions, herrmann, houser, LSR...obviously i can get herrmann the cheapest, next would be houser, then LSR would be the most, then the next question is elka or axis...jus so many questions...i wish i could jus ride 1 to c if i liked it lol

[Pappy]

your not going wrong with any of them. you need to set out your budget and get the most for your money. they will all preform much much better then a stock set up.

Originally posted by Pappy
your not going wrong with any of them. you need to set out your budget and get the most for your money. they will all preform much much better then a stock set up.

well herrmann sponsors me, and give me a VERY good price on their setup, i can get houser very cheap also, but LSR im kinda hurting on, so i guess i will go either herrmann or houser, which of those 2 do you think work better?

another question of mine, is that a friend of mine road a axis setup and an elka setup and said that the elka was more fatiqueing and stiffer then axis, should i go with elka or axis?

last question, if elka is a little stiffer, i could get it valved for less weight to make up for that couldnt i?

[Pappy]

i cant speak about herrman products, ive never used them so an answer would be ...i have no clue


houser, good stuff and priced middle of the road


my take on elka as been stated but to answer the second question, yes. shocks can be dialed in to almost exactly what you want. this may involve getting a shock builder involved to set them up accordingly but that brings us back to your money issue.

truthfully, before you spend a dime, you need to get out and try to ride a few set ups. there is enough info posted on this site regarding shocks and components that making a list of parts that work is pretty easy.

and as far as your sponsors, why in the heck would you be openly asking about buying a competitors set up over your sponsors equipment? if they are your sponsor, why arent you already running thier stuff?

[R3Concepts]

Oh my...You ALWAYS run sponsor equipment, thats why they sponsor you..And you can get Hermann arms for 300 since LSR arms are 3-400 more? WOW, thats cheap. But remember you get what you pay for, I stopped looking at other companies after we started running LSR parts. Dan has been awesome and Rudy at DFR has been great also with all out LSR parts. Top notch service and quality.

noooo i never said i wouldnt run my sponsors stuff, thing is i dont know how soon i am going to be getting this, it may be next year, and if so then our contract will be expired, that is y im asking about it, if i was getting it now then id go straight to herrmann

all i run is sponsors stuff nothing else, but LT is big bucks, and i dont know how soon ima have that kind of money

Originally posted by R3Concepts426ex
Oh my...You ALWAYS run sponsor equipment, thats why they sponsor you..And you can get Hermann arms for 300 since LSR arms are 3-400 more? WOW, thats cheap. But remember you get what you pay for, I stopped looking at other companies after we started running LSR parts. Dan has been awesome and Rudy at DFR has been great also with all out LSR parts. Top notch service and quality.

ya but my cheapest deal on LSR is still a lot more then herrmann, and herrmann stuff is nice quality also from what everyone has been telling me, there is also a review on here about it in the reviews section

[Pappy]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
noooo i never said i wouldnt run my sponsors stuff, thing is i dont know how soon i am going to be getting this, it may be next year, and if so then our contract will be expired, that is y im asking about it, if i was getting it now then id go straight to herrmann

i think you need to regroup.

you spoke with elka, yet have questions that should have been asked and answered by them.

you are sponsored but your not.

you cant wait 6 weeks for the LSR(i dont think its that long and i will call myself to find out) but you have no idea when you are getting a new set up.

son, you had better stick to what you got and stop worrying about what may happen maybe next year. by then there will be 14 new arms on the market for you to consider..lol

Originally posted by Pappy
i think you need to regroup.

you spoke with elka, yet have questions that should have been asked and answered by them.

you are sponsored but your not.

you cant wait 6 weeks for the LSR(i dont think its that long and i will call myself to find out) but you have no idea when you are getting a new set up.

son, you had better stick to what you got and stop worrying about what may happen maybe next year. by then there will be 14 new arms on the market for you to consider..lol

yes i spoke with elka, but it was very brief because i didnt speak with the person i wanted to speak with

i am sponsored by herrmann and elka

Nac's said there is a 6 week wait on LSR stuff

[Dave400ex]

Just get one of the a-arms with Elka's and have Precision Concepts do the shocks. Then you will have the best ride!

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Just get one of the a-arms with Elka's and have Precision Concepts do the shocks. Then you will have the best ride!

thats exactly y i sent them my resume :macho

[Pappy]

maybe he can get sponsored by them also..lol

Originally posted by Pappy
maybe he can get sponsored by them also..lol

:ermm: i dont exactly get y u guys get all on me for trying to get information...:(

[Pappy]

its not the fact that anyone is downing you at all. but you need to get some expierence under your belt on different set ups before you spend the cash. im not here to sell or promote anything, just relaying some info. your brand of choice is of no consequence to me whatsoever.

but i do take inconsistancy to heart, and you tend to embelish alot of the information leading me to believe some of it is not entirely factual. if i am wrong i apologize, but i follow my gut (no more info on my gut please..lol)

we could have an entire 20 page thread about what you think a sponsorship is but again, is this thread really the place for it? but please feel free to ask questions on topic, thats what this site is about!

Originally posted by Pappy
its not the fact that anyone is downing you at all. but you need to get some expierence under your belt on different set ups before you spend the cash. im not here to sell or promote anything, just relaying some info. your brand of choice is of no consequence to me whatsoever.

but i do take inconsistancy to heart, and you tend to embelish alot of the information leading me to believe some of it is not entirely factual. if i am wrong i apologize, but i follow my gut (no more info on my gut please..lol)

we could have an entire 20 page thread about what you think a sponsorship is but again, is this thread really the place for it? but please feel free to ask questions on topic, thats what this site is about!

i dont have anyones setup to test is the problem :(

[Pappy]

you state in your signature that you are connected with team warped racing and thier intro paragraph states basically exactly what your signature includes.

i cant imagine a race team with sponsors can not shed some light for you on which direction and what set up is working for them?

lord knows i will answer questions until my keyboard falls apart, but i just get the feeling you are not being 100% completely honest with me. i get the feeling you just started racing, your on a pretty much stock quad and the only relevent information you have is what you have picked up of the internet. now thats not all bad, but you have to have a starting point, and if that means running a season or two in stock trim then heck yeah! but window shopping for parts you cant afford shouldnt be masked by a suedo sponship that you keep touting. if herrman sponsors you then you should be running thier arms, but you dont have them so the sponsorship must be pretty lack luster? 20% off retail is not a sponsorship, its bargain advertisment for the company who is still clearing 35% on you.

you want my advice? grab up some used shocks for the stock arms and go have fun and learn what YOU want out of your quad, not what everyone is telling you you should have!

Originally posted by Pappy
you state in your signature that you are connected with team warped racing and thier intro paragraph states basically exactly what your signature includes.

i cant imagine a race team with sponsors can not shed some light for you on which direction and what set up is working for them?

lord knows i will answer questions until my keyboard falls apart, but i just get the feeling you are not being 100% completely honest with me. i get the feeling you just started racing, your on a pretty much stock quad and the only relevent information you have is what you have picked up of the internet. now thats not all bad, but you have to have a starting point, and if that means running a season or two in stock trim then heck yeah! but window shopping for parts you cant afford shouldnt be masked by a suedo sponship that you keep touting. if herrman sponsors you then you should be running thier arms, but you dont have them so the sponsorship must be pretty lack luster? 20% off retail is not a sponsorship, its bargain advertisment for the company who is still clearing 35% on you.

you want my advice? grab up some used shocks for the stock arms and go have fun and learn what YOU want out of your quad, not what everyone is telling you you should have!

well, you are very wrong, this is only my second year racing, i am top 10 in the C class, ill be going to B class next year, here is my quad, this is what i would be switching to LT from...

another guy on my race team, Ryon, is running a long travel houser setup on his yfz, and a friend of mine is running some custom built a-arms so he can use all of the stock honda stuff, with LT elka shocks...here is another picture, pretty much what im asking is, is LT worth making the switch from what i have right now, or is it a waste of $

[Pappy]

well thats great! you would think after a season and a half you would have developed some opinions on what seems to be working with your own set up(or its lackings) and on the other 9 riders infront of you in points!

from the looks of the quad you outfitted it with some nice equipment, and now you need an upgrade. so we are back to square one. you have no cash, you have no real sponsor ship as i stated. you could always sell off the elkas and use that to help offset the cost right?

thinking parts will make you better is false in most instances. when you start outriding what you have you will be ready for better suspension and by then maybe will have saved up enough to purchase whatever front end you so desire. (i think we have covered this all before right?) and please dont say you outride your current set up...i will direct you to the stock gncc class for some comparisons(talk about humbling and putting things in perspective eh?)

off by 1 season of C class....im slipping
:blah:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
another guy on my race team, Ryon, is running a long travel houser setup on his yfz, and a friend of mine is running some custom built a-arms so he can use all of the stock honda stuff, with LT elka shocks...here is another picture, pretty much what im asking is, is LT worth making the switch from what i have right now, or is it a waste of $

yet you have noone to compare with?

are you getting my point yet?

Originally posted by Pappy
well thats great! you would think after a season and a half you would have developed some opinions on what seems to be working with your own set up(or its lackings) and on the other 9 riders infront of you in points!

from the looks of the quad you outfitted it with some nice equipment, and now you need an upgrade. so we are back to square one. you have no cash, you have no real sponsor ship as i stated. you could always sell off the elkas and use that to help offset the cost right?

thinking parts will make you better is false in most instances. when you start outriding what you have you will be ready for better suspension and by then maybe will have saved up enough to purchase whatever front end you so desire. (i think we have covered this all before right?) and please dont say you outride your current set up...i will direct you to the stock gncc class for some comparisons(talk about humbling and putting things in perspective eh?)

off by 1 season of C class....im slipping
:blah:

i planned on selling my stock front setup to pay for some of it, first im getting those Flexx bars, which i have the money for, then i planned on going LT at the end of this month, or possibly halfway through august, whenever money permits, im only 16 so it might take a bit, but im sitting at 9th in C class for points, and i have missed 2 races, so not too bad especially when i only raced 3 races last season lol, so your saying keep what i have because i cant over ride what i use right now? i will have the money soon, so will LT benefit me more then the standard setup i have now, or will the differance not be very noticable?

Originally posted by Pappy
yet you have noone to compare with?

are you getting my point yet?

there suspension isnt valved for me, but ya i understand what you are saying, they both love it, they are both B class riders, but i was just wondering if the differance would even be worth the trouble and $ of switching over to LT

[Pappy]

your question was answered earlier in this thread. i have had both good and bad from standard and lt set ups. it comes down to the shock over the arm. will you improve from making a change? i doubt it. i checked your results and the 10th in points is based pretty much on the fact you have made 1 more race then those below you. will you get better? if you stick with racing YES! no matter what you are on! its about expierence and conditioning at your level, not the parts. you will get to the point where you will know you have exceeded the current set up and then you will need to be shopping for parts.

sorry to be honest and blunt, and remeber, this is just my opinion and it may mean squat, but you asked

:p

Originally posted by Pappy
your question was answered earlier in this thread. i have had both good and bad from standard and lt set ups. it comes down to the shock over the arm. will you improve from making a change? i doubt it. i checked your results and the 10th in points is based pretty much on the fact you have made 1 more race then those below you. will you get better? if you stick with racing YES! no matter what you are on! its about expierence and conditioning at your level, not the parts. you will get to the point where you will know you have exceeded the current set up and then you will need to be shopping for parts.

sorry to be honest and blunt, and remeber, this is just my opinion and it may mean squat, but you asked

:p

well actually my top 10 is from being top 10 in almost all the races lol, but anyway, sounds like im sticking with what i got for awhile, hopefully the flexx bars will be awsome :macho

[Pappy]

just keep at it. and dont fall into the "i have to have the hottest part on my quad" syndrome.

form follows function

Originally posted by Pappy
just keep at it. and dont fall into the "i have to have the hottest part on my quad" syndrome.

form follows function

ok, thanks for answering all my questions and puttin up with me lol :macho

[Pappy]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
ok, thanks for answering all my questions and puttin up with me lol :macho

btw, dave was serious about precision concepts. if you dont do anything but send off your shocks to a quality builder you will be miles ahead. elka is a great shock, but its even better once its been worked on!

Originally posted by Pappy
btw, dave was serious about proconcepts. if you dont do anything but send off your shocks to a quality builder you will be miles ahead. elka is a great shock, but its even better once its been worked on!

yep that was the plan, wether i got the LT or not, heard a lot of good things about them, definantly sending them in :macho

[dantwo]

Man I wished I jumped into this sooner, it is hard to keep up.

A-Arm turn around:
It depends on what you order but the wait time will be between 2-4 weeks. 2 weeks on the more common and more popular styles. If you are in a hurry I know people who got just about everything in stock and you can have it as soon as the next day.

Replacement parts:
I always have replacement parts in stock ready to ship. Their have been times that I have gotten burned by vender that supply me certain items, but I can always find something to get you to a race.

Price on LSR Product:
Shop around or get sponsored by a shop that carries our products. Also send us a resume and we will look into it. We do sponsor everyone with a discount and sometime you can get a better discount from your local deal. It dose not hurt to try.

Well out of all my reading I thought this was some good info for you all. Please anything else just asks.

Thanks

Dan @ LSR

Originally posted by dantwo
Man I wished I jumped into this sooner, it is hard to keep up.

A-Arm turn around:
It depends on what you order but the wait time will be between 2-4 weeks. 2 weeks on the more common and more popular styles. If you are in a hurry I know people who got just about everything in stock and you can have it as soon as the next day.

Replacement parts:
I always have replacement parts in stock ready to ship. Their have been times that I have gotten burned by vender that supply me certain items, but I can always find something to get you to a race.

Price on LSR Product:
Shop around or get sponsored by a shop that carries our products. Also send us a resume and we will look into it. We do sponsor everyone with a discount and sometime you can get a better discount from your local deal. It dose not hurt to try.

Well out of all my reading I thought this was some good info for you all. Please anything else just asks.

Thanks

Dan @ LSR

when do you accept resumes?

[dantwo]

September – November

[R3Concepts]

Always go to the source for the turn around time. Most parts will lose between 1-2 weeks by the time they get them and then get them to you. Do homework on who to call. Big name companies will sometimes give you the run around about parts. Go to the manufacturer, or in AZ, we all go to Dan or Jack @ LSR or Rudy @ DFR and one or the other ALWAYS has what you need.

[TBD]

I'm just curious but everyone is commenting on how much ground clearance the new XC arms have but if the rear tube of the a-arm is still underneath the shock mount wouldn't it have the same amount of ground clearance. I could be wrong but in the pictures that are posted it looks like the forward tube is over the shock mount and the rear tube is under.

[Pappy]

thats about the same conclusion i came up with, but i figured the rear bar would act as a trailing arm and not hook like the leading bar will. i dont care what they do to the front, the limiting factor is still the swing arm clearence.

[Dave400ex]

Pappy I agree with you about the rear ends. They have come a long way with all the linkage setups and different shocks, but it seems the linkages just hang way to low. I don't like the fact you have to cut a new skid plate to clear the linkage either. That's why I like the Houser setup, because with some spacers a skid plate with a linkage box is suppose to fit. I think LSR has a good thing going with their linkage, as long as the skids bolted to the linkage hold up.

[Pappy]

For me personally, I doubt I will ever have the need for much more then I have now. Thankfully my position with this site allows me to keep trying new products and testing parts to see just how things work. I have not been happy with the rear of the 450R since day 1. The new linkage and shock that im running now works good, but its not that good if you catch my drift.

The first call I made to LSR was infact about the new swing arm and linkage but at the time they just werent ready for consumer production so I grabbed the arms up. I am looking forward to trying the swing arm and linkage so that hopefully I can have a quad that is capable of much better handling in the rear. Dan can fill you in about thier new linkage and all the tech stuff, but i believe they will have some form of protection for the linkage.

I was browsing LSr's website and see that they are producing frames for the R also, and boy that has my intrest peaked. Ever since I got back into quads I wanted to build a full aftermarket quad and now I see I can! I have a 400ex with an arens chassis and although it handles good, the alignment is off enough that everything has to be "made" to fit.

I will be talking with LSR to see what all I can get into and maybe start a complete makeover utilizing thier chassis, swing arm and linkage and ofcourse the arms i already have!

[jeepnrocks]

That style of a-arm looks awesome and I'm sure the whole front end works perfectly just as pappy says, but here is the downfall.
How can you get any kind of skid-plate for that style of a-arm? These types of arms are designed for xc and I think that LSR or ARS-fx should come out with some type of a-arm skid for them.
I couldn't imagine running a top dollar a-arm without adding some protection. a straight a-arm would be simple to build a skid for but these style would take a bit of work. not impossible but more than most people will want mess with.

[Pappy]

very few gncc riders (except ute riders) run a arm skids. infact, most folks that i know buy them, and sell them shortly there after.

[jeepnrocks]

I would think many of the gncc folks have sponsorship, at least in the top classes. I, personally can't afford a new set of a-arms every few races! Just looking at mine and my buddies prm a-arm skids I can almost guarentee our arms would have a pilke of dents in them and in turn be severely weakened.

ive never had a problem with a-arms

[465Stroker]

Originally posted by jeepnrocks
I would think many of the gncc folks have sponsorship, at least in the top classes. I, personally can't afford a new set of a-arms every few races! Just looking at mine and my buddies prm a-arm skids I can almost guarentee our arms would have a pilke of dents in them and in turn be severely weakened.

Pro XC racers do not run A-arm skids because they hold in way to much mud which equals alot more weight. They sure would be great for trail riding but may be to "over-protective" for racing if that makes sense..

[racerx4u2y2k]

If your worried about a XC bike lookin' pretty your in the wrong business, as for the LSR XC arms I am like that one cat whats the advantage the rear part the a arm still hangs down so you haven't really gained any clearance. But I can gaurantee it does make a difference cause if it didn't hang down like that you would have less drag and we all know what that means. MORE SPEED. Just my two cents so go spend it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pappy]

actually the rear arm is higher then regular arms. i dont know how to show it but its there. it may not be drastic, or it may appear less due to the front arm's swept design.

the tire will have the arm at its highest point before the rear arm would make contact . if you hang these arms up, you would have already been stuck with a standard arm.

[racerx4u2y2k]

Whats the price on those arms in powder coat do you know?

[Pappy]

you would have to check out thier website. there should be a link on the page, or in our links section.

[racerx4u2y2k]

You seem like a knowledgable guy what do you know about the 06 450r? have you heard anything?????????

[Pappy]

yep, it will be an 06:devil:

[racerx4u2y2k]

Funny guy huh? OK now give me the dirt what do you know?please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pappy]

i cant devulge any info i have been forwarded. it would not be fair to those who trust me.

it will be an 06 model and a honda. that i garuntee;)

[racerx4u2y2k]

Ok then thats fair enough I can understand that. But surely you can tell me when it will be available?

[Pappy]

you have been so understanding that im going to post a partail pic of the prototype;) dont tell noone, and remeber this is a secret:cool:

Originally posted by Pappy
you have been so understanding that im going to post a partail pic of the prototype;) dont tell noone, and remeber this is a secret:cool:

looks like a yamha yfz450 engine to me, wierd lookin radiator tho

Originally posted by Pappy
you have been so understanding that im going to post a partail pic of the prototype;) dont tell noone, and remeber this is a secret:cool:

whoa...u r bsin us that is a yfz450 engine lmao, either that or the damn thing is exactly alike to that, it is definantly something new tho, im jus not sure what it is, but its def not a honda engine, looks like a yfz450 engine or a dirtbike engine, how bout u tell us about it :macho

[Dave400ex]

That just looks like a hybrid, not a new model for sure...

Originally posted by Dave400ex
That just looks like a hybrid, not a new model for sure...

ya...pappy is full of it...stupid little trickster you lol :blah:

[Pappy]

boy, some of you guys are quick:cool: lol

Originally posted by Pappy
boy, some of you guys are quick:cool: lol

blah...:blah: :p

[Quad18star]

Pappy , sell that 450r and get another Yamaha so you can do more product testing for the Yammy .

In your opinion , what is the best XC setup for the Yamaha ??

Originally posted by Quad18star
Pappy , sell that 450r and get another Yamaha so you can do more product testing for the Yammy .

In your opinion , what is the best XC setup for the Yamaha ??

selling it and buying a 450r, lol :blah:

[Johnny_G]

I told you you would find that front end to be the best thing you ever rode!!!!!!!!!!!:macho

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Pappy , sell that 450r and get another Yamaha so you can do more product testing for the Yammy .

In your opinion , what is the best XC setup for the Yamaha ??

i would have to ride one. i rode rick cecco's around, it was pretty swet but his power was too flat for me. i really really like the way a stock yfz pulls, but that will vary from rider to rider.

shocks, amrs, axle, the usual.

i think the biggest area would be bulletproofing the engine (aint hard) and the electronics. other then that i felt so much more in charge of my yfz compared to my R when they were both stock. confidence is something yamaha leaves off its spec sheet.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Johnny_G
I told you you would find that front end to be the best thing you ever rode!!!!!!!!!!!:macho

yep. all bs aside with regards to LSR being your sponsor, they work and work incredibly well. one product i dont mind telling folks to go get and not think twice about dropping the coin on.

[cinigen9]

do these weigh much more than the stock arms?

just curious if anyone knows.

Carson

[Pappy]

they did not feel much heavier if any then stock.

[Dave400ex]

Did you ever order the rear end setup?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Did you ever order the rear end setup?

yes sir, its being built and i should have it soon

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Did you ever order the rear end setup?

yea, he ordered it and he got it! LOL!!:devil:

[Dave400ex]

Sweet, can't wait to read the review on it. Did you get the skid plates as well?

[Pappy]

as far as i know, lsr is sending everything this new rear set up offers. the shock is ordered, so all i can do now is wait for the big brown truck:p

[300exHILLER]

Pappy if you are going to the NY GNCC please stop by the GBM/ELKA/RONNIES pit at or near pro row. I want to take a good look at this setup. Thanks

[jdwxv3]

Bump, Will the a arms work with elka's?

[Pappy]

yes, elka has the shocks for these arms

[OKTRX450R]

Swingarm show up yet???

Just curious, I ordered mine on July 29th...hurry up already!!!:blah:

[Pappy]

nope, i told dan to send it bare and i would powdercoat it here but he insisted it would be chromed to keep with all the other chrome i have on the quad:p

im not worried abiut the swinger, im more concerned over axis getting me the shock!

[OKTRX450R]

Yea, I went with the Axis shock and chrome too...more options causes it to take longer...

Is it just me or does time seem to stop when you are waiting for an awesome part to show up?:confused:

[Pappy]

stop:confused: sometimes i think it starts going backwards the second you order a part:p

[fireman1104]

pappy (or anyone) quick question, i think it was you that mentioned finding parts for arx a-arms was difficult, any suggestions for where 2 find them..? lookn for bushings for 250r a-arms, chekd ebay etc...called arx and they sed they changed the bushing style and don't sell the original ones anymore...anyone have the original orange ones?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by fireman1104
called arx and they sed they changed the bushing style and don't sell the original ones anymore...anyone have the original orange ones?

reason number 1 i chose LSR, finding parts for these other companies is like pulling teeth. if you called them direct and they told you your chit out of luck then your going to have to find other bushings that will work. kind of crappy seeing its a $1200 front end

[fireman1104]

exactly...they appear to be just a polyurethane type of bushing i guess i'll just check the offroad stores and see if they have the right size...kinda like findn a needle in a haystack, anyone else know where to go?