Whos R can beat slightly modded 450s and banshees

[honda182]

Hey I was just wondering who out there has a R that can beat 450s and banshees with mods in a drag. I know there are quite a few Rs that can do it also what is your engine setup.

[nacs400ex]

Any 265 should beable to take out a 450R, as for a banshee, I know an R would take a stock one, but slight mods... It depends what it is that's modified.

[danbobsR]

when Mine had a stock top end .010 over sparks pipe, boyesen cage, carbon reeds, coolhead 19 cc dome race gas with castor 927 and a 36 airstryker I could beat a buddys banshee with just toomey pipes and jetting about two bikes, running a honda 450r just a sparks pipe and jetting and filter, it was whoever got out front first. against a yfz I could not hang, but the only one I ran was jetted sparks pipe -6 flywheel a long list of stuff done to it. Once I get my 265PV jetting right I think I will give him a run for his money.

[pharit]

i can on the 88

[baker250r]

i can on my 265

[georgedoggy]

i have a 300cc duncan powervalve and i have no problems. i am 250pounds and the guys i race are 180 pounds and i can stay with them easy. its a fair race.
If i lost 50 pounds id smoke em !!

[machwon]

midrange Porting 262cc, 21cc cool head, 40.5mm keihin, type 46 turner pipe, CR boyseen rad valve. 200 lb rider for me, most of the 450's had a little lighter weight guys. Piped 450's, with high comp. pistons and air box mods are no problem. Add the cam mod to the 450 and it gets more difficult.

[Blown 331]

From a roll my 1985 ATC250R can hang with my 450R in 2nd to 6th gear. From a dead stop the 450R gets out in front and the 450 takes over big time when the 3-wheeler gets into 6th.

My 250R has a wiesco, rad valve. 36mm flat slide, ESR ATC-5 pipe, CR250 head gasket, UNI filter and open air box. It is also getting a fresh top end right now and I need to gear it up. First is way too low and I take off in second and I don't have enough top end. So with a new top end, gear up and it's running a little fat the 3-wheeler my take my 450R.

My 450R has the HRC kit and Yosh pipe. I'm wanting to get the ESR 480cc 12.5 to 1 piston though. Bye bye 3-wheeler after that. The 450 only has 10.5 to 1 comp stock. So I will be picking up 30cc and 2 points on the compression.

[kwatts400]

I'll tell you how my 450r does against my 89 250r when I get back from Silver Lake.

With my eyes closed in 3rd gear, but i have in a cr500 engine LOL.


Anyone selling rear plastics for 86-89 R?

[beerock]

mine:devil:

[SnowRacerX]

i was at silver lake this weekend and i'd say there were 3 R's Racing and they were in front of everything. Well except for mine because it was running like shat

[racerx573]

Drag races are irrelevant unless the quads are built for it.. too many factors involved if you're just racing any R or 450..

I have smoked plenty of 4-strokes on the track though.. and mine is a 265 PV

Slap this (Mine) in your quad and you wount need to worry about beating anyone :)

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/cr500complete.jpg

[Coyoteman]

Hey DW, let's see some pics of your ride.

[baker250r]

Thats cheating.... lol


Originally posted by DierWolf
Slap this (Mine) in your quad and you wount need to worry about beating anyone :)

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/cr500complete.jpg

[baseballplaya23]

whats done to that motor?

[Eddiesanders250]

this one has no problem beating some of the bigger banshees. For those of you that have not seen this bike it is a honda trx500.

[baseballplaya23]

holy **** that bike is sweeeeeeeeet.

Thats Sanddragon racing 500, not a true CR500 engine.

it has TRX250R bottom end with new 496cc jug and piston.

does not stack up the power of the CR500..

Plus for the price of the upgrade you can buy yourself a CR500 engine and not have to worry about sending in your motor.

Here are some old pictures.

I am currently redoing the entire frame (painting) and putting on some bling bling and different plastics because i hate the plastics thats on it.

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/ddd3.jpg

Here are some pictures from about 3 weeks ago, its much further along right now, just waiting for rear plastics and its ready to go, when i get that on i will do some beauty shots on the golf course and post em up.

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/IMGA0745.JPG

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/IMGA0746.JPG

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/IMGA0744.JPG

Should look simular to this when complete, only lower and not with that engine which is a 330cc pictured.

http://www.trx250r.org/images/i-1_B_L.jpeg

hows this for a graphic??

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/trx500rgraphix.jpg

Or without the Honda Wing which would loook like this.

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/testgraphic.jpg

[Coyoteman]

Very cool......Thanks for sharing. I do have a few questions though. How's the vibration? Did you make your own motor mounts? I wanted to do a swap like this but several friends said I'd be sorry, that it would have terrible vibration and break motor mounts. You couldn't possibly get me some close ups of the motor mounted in the frame could you?

[Iliketogofast]

Jesus christ! Those 2 drag 250R's are incredible looking! I bet those things **** it and get it.

[Iliketogofast]

Do either of you guys know the horsepower ratings on your bikes? It always amazes me to hear huge numbers :D

Stock CR500 Supermotard is 63hp.... with my Piston and pipe combination with oversized carb i am at 85hp+ at the wheel, if i port the engine i can gain alot more, but trust me even at stock hp the bike was crazy and took some time getting used to, so i am not even going to bother getting anymore out of it, as it is i cant WOT it unless i feel like loosing a limb.

Please talk about torque on 4 stroke, well let me say this, when my bro and i go riding and he is going up a hill and is in 5th, he has to downshift, even with all his doodads and upgrading he did, i just punch it and it goes up like im in 3rd.

Yes made my own mounts for front and top, the back swivel mount on the engine goes directly where the swingarm connecting pin is...

you cant just bolt it right on (metal to metal) it will vibrate too much, i lathed my own self lubricating bushings and i feel little to no difference in vibration compared to lets say the banshee.


If you have a chance of getting one of these you should definately do it. Or buy the kit from Sanddragon racing if you got the MOOHHLAH.

What about this??? a simple flame and text reading

Honda
TRX500R
Quadzilla (in small letters)

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/trx500rgraphix1.jpg

[TampaBoy813]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Should look simular to this when complete, only lower and not with that engine which is a 330cc pictured.

http://www.trx250r.org/images/i-1_B_L.jpeg man thats nice!

[2strokerider]

i was neck and neck w/ a stock banshee when my 250r was stock

2strokerider, no use debating over it anymore, 4 stroke lovers will always say they are faster and banshee owners simply think they are it for some strange reason.

[z400guy21]

:D

[z400guy21]

:D

[z400guy21]

i have billions of sick drag bike pics

[2strokerider]

those are sweet bikes. i wanna build one some day!

[Iliketogofast]

I slammed the Banshee in the sig about 10 times last night because he kept saying "I shifted wrong in _th gear"

[genoapb]

That black and blue drag bike with the trx bottom end and the 497cc (Saber) cylinder on it just crossed the 100hp mark not to long ago at the rear wheels. I dont know of any CR500 motors making that kind of power. I wouldnt mind having one of those Saber cylinders on my R but I think I will have to build a CR500 based trx instead. Have always wanted to do one. By the way I also have no trouble beating modded 450's and banshees. http://www.planetsand.com/memberphotos/331049-9.JPG

Stock CR500R engine produces 62HP, This is with stock pipe (not very good) and small carb (38mm) mine is no where near stock and is also overbored.

Saber is not even 500cc its a little less.

Unlike 4 stroke, very small mods to 2 stroke yields large jumps in HP, which is why i love 2 stroke.

I have no doubt you can beat 450R's, its others on here that feel that way, i have seen bone stock 250R's tuned properly witha good pipe beat 450r's...

Yes do a cr500 quad, i love mine and would not sell it for anything.

[Iliketogofast]

When my engine blew Saturday I was *****ing a Banshee with T-6's and RAD Valves.

[beerock]

Originally posted by DierWolf


Saber is not even 500cc its a little less.



thats because they stroke it to make up, they also make a 600 cc one......;)

[genoapb]

Wish I knew how to post pics........anyway here is a link to a dyno run for the Sabertooth 497cc. http://www.planetsand.com/memberphotos/325361-100hpSaberDyno.jpg Just for referance the CR500 motor isnt quite 500cc's either its like a 492.

Yes i know but mine is overbore, Ported etc etc.

saber gets 98.4 hp i believe. Either way My quad kiss serious *** when it comes to power and speed, see absolutely no reason to shell out that kind of money on a kit when you can do it for much cheaper.


genoapb, goto this link and use my server to host the picture.

http://www.island-designs.com/pictures/upload2new.asp

when page is open just browse for the file on your computer and click upload. once its finished uploading it will give you a blue page with the text you have to post inside your message here for the picture to show up.

[honda350r]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Should look simular to this when complete, only lower and not with that engine which is a 330cc pictured.

http://www.trx250r.org/images/i-1_B_L.jpeg


Hey wolf , That is one of my 250rs and that is a 370 not a 330!

I think it is funny that you are trying to make you quad look like one of my many ceations!!

no where near looks like yours... Just wanted the black and white look.

Deflate some of that air out of your head.

[hollywood250r]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Stock CR500 Supermotard is 63hp.... with my Piston and pipe combination with oversized carb i am at 85hp+ at the wheel, if i port the engine i can gain alot more, but trust me even at stock hp the bike was crazy and took some time getting used to, so i am not even going to bother getting anymore out of it, as it is i cant WOT it unless i feel like loosing a limb.



I know of a 275cc R that is getting 55-65hp at the rear wheel. I also know of a 250r on the stock bore that is beating 450s in drag races and on the track. A well tuned (jeted) and ported (with matching pipe) 2-stoke motor is a beast to deal with. Most of use are not properly tuning our motors. It takes more than a generic port job by ESR, LRD, CT, etc. If you want a good motor you will go to a good builder and he will talk to you about the types of riding you do, the type of gas you want to run, weather you ride in, etc. Then he will build you motor fit you. A lot of good builders are redoing port work done by ESR, LRD, CT, etc. I too have hear that the Saber is at 100hp. I also hear that it is a very reliable design.

[honda350r]

Originally posted by DierWolf


Deflate some of that air out of your head.


The only one here with air in their head is WOLF blowing smoke up everyones arse with this CR500 s h i t !

CR500 quads are a joke !! Get real and quit triing to impress the kids !!

[sgerbyshak]

My ct racing 330 pulls pretty hard. Its way faster than my stock 450r was. not even close...

[Iliketogofast]

I don't think Wolf's CR500 quad is a joke, I like it. No need to be an ***, he was just using a picture to give people an idea of what his might look like when finished.

[zedicus00]

yeah imma add that wolfs a good guy and is to this day the only CR500 conversion ive seen done right.

and ive seen a ton of them done wrong, from beeing welded almost completly solid to rubber mounts that gave no support.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by sgerbyshak
My ct racing 330 pulls pretty hard. Its way faster than my stock 450r was. not even close...
Well I would hope so! Do up your 450r and then see how well they compare!

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
Well I would hope so! Do up your 450r and then see how well they compare!

I saw a 450r w/ an esr480 kit when I was at Silver Lake that was running with the 330r's.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by kwatts400
I saw a 450r w/ an esr480 kit when I was at Silver Lake that was running with the 330r's.

See thats what I am talking about. I don't understand why everybody is so worried who's is faster. They are two totally different machines. They are both honda's that's what matters.

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
See thats what I am talking about. I don't understand why everybody is so worried who's is faster. They are two totally different machines. They are both honda's that's what matters.

You are 100% correct. I took both of my r's to Silver Lake, and they are both fast and fun. But........... they are very different machines, especially when you switch bikes throughout the day.

[nacs400ex]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
See thats what I am talking about. I don't understand why everybody is so worried who's is faster. They are two totally different machines. They are both honda's that's what matters.

What matters? It has nothing to do whether or not its a Honda. There was a big craze for the 450s, and personally I think it was a huge let down. There really isn't any NEW designs on the 450r that any other quad already has..... My bad it has piggybacks angled behind the shocks. Is that the best the one and only Honda can come up with. Please, all the 450r is, is a detuned crf450 jammed into a frame.

The 250r was WAY ahead of its time when it was built, I have yet to see a bike with better styling, shootout comparibility, easy accessability to parts, aswell as amazing response to mods.

I'd like to see how much 450's are worth in 19 years.

Don't get me wrong 450r's and YFZ's are the best bikes these manufacturers can come up with. But I think it's pretty sad when an "Outdated" machine can bring some heavy competition to the line.

[Iliketogofast]

Dude, your friggen awesome. You quoted me. But like you said, the 450's aren't great advancements in quad technology. You can
not say that until the 450's win all the MX's, TT's and other races for 15 or so years in a row. It was a completely revoultionary machine when it was released in 86, and it still continues to amaze me today. Just the fact that it can completely destroy a
brand new machine, released 19 years after it is absolutely ground breaking. With ANY mods, let alone in the stock state like it can.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by nacs400ex
What matters? It has nothing to do whether or not its a Honda. There was a big craze for the 450s, and personally I think it was a huge let down. There really isn't any NEW designs on the 450r that any other quad already has..... My bad it has piggybacks angled behind the shocks. Is that the best the one and only Honda can come up with. Please, all the 450r is, is a detuned crf450 jammed into a frame.

The 250r was WAY ahead of its time when it was built, I have yet to see a bike with better styling, shootout comparibility, easy accessability to parts, aswell as amazing response to mods.

I'd like to see how much 450's are worth in 19 years.

Don't get me wrong 450r's and YFZ's are the best bikes these manufacturers can come up with. But I think it's pretty sad when an "Outdated" machine can bring some heavy competition to the line.

Yes the 250r was ahead of it times and was the BEST machine ever built. I have had many 250r's and they are extremely reliable and fast. The only problem with them is everyone wants top dollar so you can go out a buy a 450r for like a grand more. I really like the 450r but in stock form they are kinda of slow but do simple mods and they really respond well.
First off you are comparing a 2 stoke vs a 4 stroke. Your sig. says your 265pv will smoke a 450r, maybe a fairly stock one but not one built. The 330 and 350pv now that's a different story!

[500Sabertooth]

Originally posted by DierWolf
Thats Sanddragon racing 500, not a true CR500 engine.

it has TRX250R bottom end with new 496cc jug and piston.

does not stack up the power of the CR500..



Dierwolf,

No, actually it's my personal bike. It's a Sabertooth 496. Now laying down over 100 hp at the rear end. Not smack talking the CR500, however there's not one on the planet laying down those numbers without some serious Nitrous....and even on that I havent heard numbers even close. My Saber is just on alky.

Saber Racing
http://www.saberracing.com

[500Sabertooth]

Originally posted by beerock
thats because they stroke it to make up, they also make a 600 cc one......;)

Beerock,

Believe it or not....not only is it NOT stroked...it's de-stroked!!! 70mm stroke x 95mm bore....had it reving out to over 10,000 rpm...for a whole season worth of racing! Yea, you could call it reliable. ;)

Honda350R (Jim)...you one UGLY mo-fo!!! hahah call me bro...we got the Sabertooth in-frame pipes in!

Neal
Saber Racing

[slamdak8782]

i was wondering how you carried all of that hp after 8000. Because it sounded like it blew macdizzys 4000 foot per sec rule out of the water but destroking it probably brought that down to allow you a safer engine at high rpm

[500Sabertooth]

Exactly,

Destroking it played a big part in controlling piston speed...however, the 4000 ft/sec rule is not set in stone. With new advances in rods and pistons, that rule can be stretched further then you think with no problem at all. Think of 4000 ft/sec as simply a guideline.

Neal