250r vs. TRX450r

[future 450?]

Which will win in:Top Speed
Acceleration
Power
Trails
Track

[bubbag]

Dude,
Whoever has more cash is gonna win, that is what it really comes down too...

[zedicus00]

on similar setups for the too quads the novice rider will b faster on the 4-stroke. real men ride 2-strokes.

[drider]

Man, lets face is you cant put 2 hondas together to fight to see's who better. There both brothers! Well. Can say this. Stock for stock the 450R will out perform the 250R. Understand that. 250r's are ancient compared to the 450r's. Rite?? Ancient meaning, atleast youngest 250r has to be 16 years old. Put it against a 2 year old 450R, 450r will whoop it! It's a clear statement, the 450r is the winner! look all the races going on are all 450's 4 strokes! So Zedicus00 theres no need for saying real men ride 2 strokes.. cause thats plain ignorance!

ok acceleration goes to 450R
power, boh have different power bands. But 450R wins.
trails. Go to 450R
Track. goes to 450R

[Mechanix311]

I give all the credit to the 250r. It is one ancient machine but I still see it rule the track quite a bit where i live. Dont get me wrong i like the 450r too but i think it is under designed and i will give it a few years before you see me riding one. For crying out loud honda welded up half of those 450r frames crooked. Must have had a bad jig or something.

[beerock]

these are the facts

1: stock for stock the 450r will win

2: real men DO ride two strokes. GRANTED, real men are racing the 450, but thats because the 2 stroke is outlawed. secondly, a worked 265 against a worked 450 is pretty damn close.


with that said.

IT DONT MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, the 2 stroke will KILL the 4 stroke with extensive mods PERIOD!!!!!(both with the same amount of money into them)

you cant beat the 250r motor its just magical.

I dont see the 4 strokes putting out 100HP without double to triple the money into them as a 2 stroke...

[trick250r]

i'd say the 250R would beat the 450R




......................................and yes, real men DO ride 2-strokes always have.

[trick250r]

and yes, like beerock said real men are racing the 450 because tree-huggers don't like the pollution that a 2-stroke puts out.

[Thumperz4Life]

I have yet to come across a trx450, yfz450, 660r, predator 500, z400 or any other four stroke that will beat my TRX330. I must say, the 250 motor with some money into it will outhaul a 4 stroke. Dont get me wrong though, i love riding a 4 stroke in the dunes also, nice power!

[zedicus00]

i tottaly agree. 4-strokes hav there place. lawn mowers, tractors, cars. but the R will always be king. (im just pickin on you guys, dont through a valve now. :D ) four strokes are a lot easyer to ride and make excelent machines but will take a lot more money to make fast, and onc you up the power they break down as often or more so then a 2-stroke anyways pluss rebuild costs are higher.

[drider]

only reason i might think that you guys say real men ride 2 strokes becasue, 2 strokes been out since the "beginning, of riding." what that means. mostly everyone has a 2 stroke around. And the 4 strokes havent been popular. becasue they just came out in this game. about back in january 04???? SO what can i say? There both "R's" So whats the big fuss. who's better?? There both good. Just that somepeople have there own preferences.. I have both 2 and 4 stroke. Love both. cant beat the high rev's on the 2 strokes. the noise, rumble the 2 strokes make.the powerband on 2 strokes. on the 4 stroke. cant beat the. amount of torque! And less matience. No pre mixing. Cleaner for the environment! It will last longer than 2 strokes! with 4 strokes. no need for changing spark plugs, occasionally.

[Eddiesanders250]

the 250r is still a great quad. It was built just right. The 4 strokes are finally catching up to the 250R. this had to happen sooner or later. You guys have got to know that if the government had not banned the production of two strokes honda would still be making the r. This would meen that the R would probably be updated a little maybe to a 300 or even a 350. The r would again be the best quad for every riding style.

[Eddiesanders250]

Originally posted by future 450?
Which will win in:Top Speed
Acceleration
Power
Trails
Track

To answer this question the 450 is deffinately faster stock for stock, but how many r's are still out there that are totaly stock and dont at least have a pipe? The answer to that is not many. A pipe on a 2 stroke does a lot more than you would think. It gives it a lot more power. with a pipe on both the r's i think the 250 would win.

[deathman53]

wrong....honda stopped making the r because of lawsuits, they were still getting flooded with lawsuits over the atc's and people already started suing over the 4 wheelers. They had to put the suits to a stop and controll them. The secondary reason is because of the fear or the enviromentalists. Also the sport atv market was dead from all the bad press. Honda is so afraid of lawsuits, thats why the trx90 has a pull start where most of the other 90's have electric starts, the parent/gaurdenian has to be present to start the quad. Look how detuned the 450r and 400ex are.

[hy250r]

I think the 450r and 250r are about the same all around. To be honest.
The only reason Honda and Yamaha came out with the 450's is because they knew that the pro's would'nt be able to race their 2-strokes anymore because of the air pollution and the company's are going to stop making the atv 2-strokes. 2005-2006 is the last year for the banshee's. In a little longer suzuki will be coming out with a 450.

[baker250r]

pro racers are not running 4 strokes just because they are the best. They are running them now because that is how they are going ot get their factory sponsor. honda isnt going to sponsor them by runnin a walsh/lrd/whatever 250r. they are going to want to sponsor the guy running their new 450r. same with yamaha. Yamaha isnt going to sponsor the guy on a 250r over their yfz450. Im not saying that this is all a bad thing that pro's are going to this, i think its awesome that the factries are getting involved. But if there wasnt the pro production rule, im sure joe byrd and jeramiah jones would go back to their 250r setups. Does it really matter what machine wins what. I know up here in wisconsin, it comes down to the rider, not the machine.

This is the question you should be asking. Who will win, me or you?

sorry if i spelled like sh*t. my hand got in a fight with my hitch and lost yesterday.

[AAracingFMX]

I proudly own both quads, both have extensive motor mods, and both are definitly race ready...the four fiddy is a heck of alot more easy to ride and is definitely less tiring than it's little brother, the two fiddy R, but as in all out, balls to the wall racing, I'd prefer my 250R over my 450R. But like what was said earlier, Honda isn't going to sponser me to ride an ancient 250R that hasn't been in production for 16 years, they would sponsor me to race a brand new 450R, so I would be able to give the R&D department the "heads up" on what could be improved for the next years model...see where this is going?

Long Live The Two Fiddy R's

I was jsut wondering who makes all the quad racing rules, like next year its no 2strokes in nationals or something, I dunno its like the quad owners are trying to get 2strokes out.

I mean the epa cant do anything about the racing enviroment? or can they?

I'm just really confused.

BTW I would have a tough choice chosing between the 250r and the 450r.

Think about how badass the 250r would be if they would have kept making them, all better plastics, they would all use cr250 liek motors "updated ones" It would be tight.

[baker250r]

The atva makes the rules.... and im sure they arent banning the 250r from nationals. u just cant run them in alot of the classes now. the epa has to do with companies making 2 strokes. not racing them.

[Nate Dogg #76]

If you look back to the GNC Nationals 2002-03 season and when the 250R was still legal to ride in the pro class. Most of the pro's had switched to 4stroke power. J.Jones won the title on a 250R, but barely, Joe Byrd was 2nd on a 4stroke. If i'm not mistaken Kory Ellis was the first to convert to a 4stroke way back in 2000. Im a diehard Honda fan, but the reason 250R's were raced for so long is because that's all there was. Now we got something better. I remember looking at cycle traders before the 450's came out and seeing 250R's selling for $5000+ you won't see that now.

[trailgoon]

Originally posted by AAracingFMX
...the four fiddy is a heck of alot more easy to ride and is definitely less tiring than it's little brother, the two fiddy R, but as in all out, balls to the wall racing, I'd prefer my 250R over my 450R.

Not to split a hair but wouldn't the 250r be the big brother of the 450r as far as age. :blah:

[AAracingFMX]

yes, i guess you're right! my bad.

[250r4life]

all i know is that i bought my 89 250r for $2k back in 2002. It was stock original back then, original bars, filter, everything... since then i have put a pt pipe, rad valve, duncan 265 PV kit, and a few other odds and ends, and am less than $5K into the bike... good luck to anyone trying to beat me up the hill with less into their bike... shoot, the new 450s are about 7k from the get go, and i'll walk all over them... even after they throw another few hundred in pipes and filters...

Originally posted by trick250r
i'd say the 250R would beat the 450R




......................................and yes, real men DO ride 2-strokes always have.


only cus u have one

[Iliketogofast]

Goddammit, I hate hippes! You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go out back and burn the biggest tree on our lot. Three owls live in that tree. THREE! Think of the chaos it's going to cause! Ten years from now there will be a movie about this, mark my word!

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
Goddammit, I hate hippes! You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go out back and burn the biggest tree on our lot. Three owls live in that tree. THREE! Think of the chaos it's going to cause! Ten years from now there will be a movie about this, mark my word!

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?














Tommy Boy quote in case anyone was wondering.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by 250r4life
all i know is that i bought my 89 250r for $2k back in 2002. It was stock original back then, original bars, filter, everything... since then i have put a pt pipe, rad valve, duncan 265 PV kit, and a few other odds and ends, and am less than $5K into the bike... good luck to anyone trying to beat me up the hill with less into their bike... shoot, the new 450s are about 7k from the get go, and i'll walk all over them... even after they throw another few hundred in pipes and filters...

All a 450r needs to run with you mods is a pipe and cam. I went riding with a bunch of friends last night. My one friend has a 250r with a lonestar frame and a ct310 kit and we were running neck and neck. All my 450r has is a pipe,cam, and filter kit.

[250r4life]

well i'm sorry that your friend sucks at riding... just cuz you got the bike dont mean you know how to ride it... i personally like the 265 kit over the 310... im a smaller rider and dont need the bigger bore, and the 265 revs quicker... and just cuz you raced one 310 you cant go making assumptions... who knows how well he has his bike dialed in? who knows how well it was built? the thing is is there are considerably more 450s out and about then 250rs, and ive raced a bunch of em and they fall... i will admit last thanksgiving at glamis there was a yfz 450 with a pipe, cam work, and a 470 kit with considerable work, and a good rider, and he was screaming... but like ive said before, ive got so much cap room to get to where he has spent to where if i spent that money id hand him his his *****... man, dont be bitter... just accept the fact and be in awe like everybody else who doesnt try and convince themselves otherwise: the 250r is 16 years old, a small cc, and it freaking screams... how/why does it beat bigger/newer/supposedly better quads? who knows... it just does...

[250r4life]

and another thing... if all these 4 strokes really beleive that their bikes are better than the 250r and if they really dont recognize that the legendary 250r is the best ever made, then why the heck do they come into the 250r forums? you dont see them going down to the 250 ex forums... and why is that... it is because although they try and convince themselves and others that their bikes are better, deep down inside they know that it isnt true and that indeed they really wish they had a 250r... they try to put on a front, but i see right through it :D if they were really so secure about their own bikes they'd stay in their own realm and stay out of ours, but they're not, and consequently, we have to here all this jibberish about 450s being better then the king...

[baker250r]

Originally posted by 250r4life
and another thing... if all these 4 strokes really beleive that their bikes are better than the 250r and if they really dont recognize that the legendary 250r is the best ever made, then why the heck do they come into the 250r forums? you dont see them going down to the 250 ex forums... and why is that... it is because although they try and convince themselves and others that their bikes are better, deep down inside they know that it isnt true and that indeed they really wish they had a 250r... they try to put on a front, but i see right through it :D if they were really so secure about their own bikes they'd stay in their own realm and stay out of ours, but they're not, and consequently, we have to here all this jibberish about 450s being better then the king...

hahahahaha, that is true to a extent tho.... they like stirrin up trouble in here. :macho but i have a feelin we can take em

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by 250r4life
and another thing... if all these 4 strokes really beleive that their bikes are better than the 250r and if they really dont recognize that the legendary 250r is the best ever made, then why the heck do they come into the 250r forums? you dont see them going down to the 250 ex forums... and why is that... it is because although they try and convince themselves and others that their bikes are better, deep down inside they know that it isnt true and that indeed they really wish they had a 250r... they try to put on a front, but i see right through it :D if they were really so secure about their own bikes they'd stay in their own realm and stay out of ours, but they're not, and consequently, we have to here all this jibberish about 450s being better then the king...

Wow that was deep! I have raced many 250r over the years. Yes they are the best two strokes ever made. I am a honda fan that's why I go in here but you 250r guys are so defensive. If you go in the 450 site you don't see 250r vs 450r headlines why is that???
So who's insecure.Don't be scared you will hear the four stroke before it goes by you.

[Iliketogofast]

That really is the truth! That's why they do it! By the way, we don't start em' people who can't decide between the two start em. Theres a thread like this in "Body" because somebody told me I was an old far, go check out how that unwound

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
That really is the truth! That's why they do it! By the way, we don't start em' people who can't decide between the two start em. Theres a thread like this in "Body" because somebody told me I was an old far, go check out how that unwound
Wow that turned into a pile of *hit! I guess you never got an answer either. lol
Look I like my 450r and you like your 250r its all preference and its all good.

[ground_zero298]

I just look at it as if you can get in done in 2 strokes then 4 is 2 strokes to many.

i wonder who will win
1986 STOCK 250r
or
2005 STOCK TRX/YFZ
;)

[Iliketogofast]

The 250.

mmm:confused:

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
The 250.

Gimme a break if you believe that you should write fairy tale story's.

[xx3003xrdrxx]

well , i own a 500ex a quadzillla with a 6000 cbr motor in it and a banshee with a corvette engine , and i will pown all your quads *****ES! :macho :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek2: :eek2:

[Iliketogofast]

Corvette motor.... lol. Is it Ti, too?

[02Yellow400]

6000 cbr motor......did'nt know they came that big. How many cylinders is that?

[ground_zero298]

Why don't the 450 guys stay in thier own forum? We don't go to theirs, cause if you own a 250 you have nothing to prove, you have the bike that started it all. Not some half *** generic 450.
And why is it when your at the track no one on a 450 wants to race? How many times after a race have you gotten the "my bike isn't runnin right" excuse? The only races I get when sittin around are from people on shee's, sometimes you lose sometimes you win, but for me it's not about winnin all of the time, it's just the high from racin. And if you bought a 450 thinking your were getting the king **** quad, well let me tell you it's no better than every other race bike. Thier always someone faster.

[ground_zero298]

I put a hemi in mine last night.

[nacs400ex]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
All a 450r needs to run with you mods is a pipe and cam. I went riding with a bunch of friends last night. My one friend has a 250r with a lonestar frame and a ct310 kit and we were running neck and neck. All my 450r has is a pipe,cam, and filter kit.

And those few mods you HAD to do to do just to keep u,p cost you an arm and a leg. Congrats you kept up with a 250r, I just find it funny, if 250rs are soo ancient, why are they constantly always being compared to.

Mostly because you cant beat the performance they put out for the money. Your only gunna get so far with the 450r until you cant mod it any more.

7k for a 450r STOCK, when for like 5k you can get a 250r which is race ready. I dont see any 450r selling for that that are ready to race.

Im really not that impressed with ct's work anyways. My LRD265 was taking CT310's on the holeshot, and by no means am I a better rider lol.

MR.BIG, get out of the 250r forum if you cant handle the facts. It's like going to bluetraxx and saying yfz's suck without any back up, or proof. lol

I'm also quite sorry not EVERYONE can own an overpriced detuned 450r like yours. Your not convincing ANYONE by telling them your 450r can keep up with a 250r. Thats just proving our points even more. Everyone wants to beable to say my bike can run with 250rs. Why?Well I'll let you should be able to figure that out.

I've owned many 400ex's and ridden yfz's that are done basically to their full potential. All Im reminded of is a 400ex with slightly more power potential.

[nacs400ex]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
Wow that was deep! I have raced many 250r over the years. Yes they are the best two strokes ever made. I am a honda fan that's why I go in here but you 250r guys are so defensive. If you go in the 450 site you don't see 250r vs 450r headlines why is that???
So who's insecure.Don't be scared you will hear the four stroke before it goes by you.

Why's is that, because were not the ones starting these posts. Its the 450r owners like yourself that have something to prove. If you dont like our quads, and our beliefs then leave. Nobodies forcing you to come into the R forum. Mr.Big maybe deflate some air out of your head.

[speedjunkie250]

OK OK OK . EVERYONE TO THEIR CORNERS. LET ME PUT THIS WAY WITH OUT THE RRRRR THERE WOULD BE NO 450RRRR. THE FRAME OF THE 450 AND 400 WAS BASED ON THE ALMIGHTY 250RRR. IM NOT SAYING THE 450 SUX. I RODE AND WAS IMPRESSED. IG YOU LIKE BEING CRAMPPED THE POWER IS SICK. BOTH R MADE BY HONDA BOTH R GOOD BIKES SO STOP *****IN. MOST PARTZ ARE INTERCHANGABLE. SO GET OVER IT . LIKE SAID US 250 GUYZ GET DEFESIVE THATS ONLY BECAUSE SOME ***** COMES IN A SAYZ MY 450 IS BETTER THAN YOUR 250. SUCK AN EGG . RIDE WHAT YOU PREFER AND LEAVE THE BRAGGIN ON THE TRACKZ DUNES OR WHERE EVER.

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by Marshmello
i wonder who will win
1986 STOCK 250r
or
2005 STOCK TRX/YFZ
;)

This really is turning into a my dad can beat up your dad thread.

Stock for stock, a few of us actually do know the answers though.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid174/p8e4fdb9e1dc5c6ffcc2722b5af316d70/f39d1905.jpg

[speedjunkie250]

Well to make or people mad or happy let em know.

Originally posted by speedjunkie250
. LET ME PUT THIS WAY WITH OUT THE RRRRR THERE WOULD BE NO 450RRRR.

well thats what the yfz is there for

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by kwatts400
This really is turning into a my dad can beat up your dad thread.

Stock for stock, a few of us actually do know the answers though.


Yep, I own them both.

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by nacs400ex
Why's is that, because were not the ones starting these posts. Its the 450r owners like yourself that have something to prove. If you dont like our quads, and our beliefs then leave. Nobodies forcing you to come into the R forum. Mr.Big maybe deflate some air out of your head.

When there is a post called 250R vs 450R you don't want anyone with a 450R to reply? Doesn't make it much of a debate then does it?

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by nacs400ex
And those few mods you HAD to do to do just to keep u,p cost you an arm and a leg.

A cam and pipe cost like $550. He was keeping up to a 310. Last I checked a 310 kit costs more than $550. Everyone with a 250R wants to talk about price. Well in this case the 250R had more money spent on it.

[ground_zero298]

What was the price for the 250 compared to the 450?

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by ground_zero298
What was the price for the 250 compared to the 450?

See what I mean, who cares about price, I sure don't.
You could also buy a car in 1974 for $4000. Inflation, you can't compare.

[ground_zero298]

You want to b**** about mod prices what were the initial cost of the bikes? My 89 250 cost 4495.95 in 89 when bought. How I look at it it's still 2500 cheaper than a 450.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by xx3003xrdrxx
well , i own a 500ex a quadzillla with a 6000 cbr motor in it and a banshee with a corvette engine , and i will pown all your quads *****ES! :macho :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek2: :eek2:
Who cares!

[ground_zero298]

I was off a little.

[ground_zero298]

Originally posted by Blown 331
See what I mean, who cares about price, I sure don't.
You could also buy a car in 1974 for $4000. Inflation, you can't compare.


If you don't care about the price why are you saying the 250 has had alot more spent on it for mods?

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by ground_zero298
If you don't care about the price why are you saying the 250 has had alot more spent on it for mods?

Because that's what this guy said along with almost everyone else who owns a 250R.

quote:
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Originally posted by nacs400ex
And those few mods you HAD to do to do just to keep u,p cost you an arm and a leg.
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[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by ground_zero298
What was the price for the 250 compared to the 450?

My buddy spent $6000 on his 250r! It has a lonestar frame and all aftermarket goodies. It didn't have the 310 cylinder on it when he bought it. I think he payed around $1000 for that. So since your so worried about price we have about the same amount invested. Once I put in a high compression piston and get the head ported by by 310r. Also like blown331 said if you go in the 450r section you don't see post like 250r vs 450r its you guys that start this stuff so don't get all pissy because people respond.

[Iliketogofast]

Lol... I've never seen a 250R title before.

[Iliketogofast]

Oops... How the hell do you make a quote that says Originally Posted by xxxxx with the pic and stuff? I've been using this site for a looong time but never found that out :o

[MR.BIG]

Click on quote on bottom on box next to edit.

[Iliketogofast]

Haha... I never saw that button

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by Marshmello
well thats what the yfz is there for

It wouldn't be here w/out the r either.

[kwatts400]

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking that that is kind of pointless. Yeah, back in 89 you could roll an r out of the showroom for about $4400, but that was back in 89. I bought my 89r a little over 2 yrs ago for $4400 (price on r's was still up there at this point). I put about $1600 in new plastics, bearings, clutch, brakes, & fresh top end (I was lucky that the frame was already powdercoated). That just got it to a "like new" level. The shocks were still old and the motor was still basically stock. I also put on a new 39mm carb and some used Ohlins shocks and once I have them rebuilt I'll be up to $7000, give or take, cost of a new 450r, out the door ($6900 for me). At that point in the rebuild, my 450r was in front of the 250r by about a bikelength.

It really doesn't matter which one of them is faster to me, they are both fun as ***** to ride. I'll never get rid of either of them. I could put an esr 310 kit on my 250 to make it faster, but then I could get an esr 480 kit for my 450. :D

Looks like I need to get another job:macho

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by Nate Dogg #76
If you look back to the GNC Nationals 2002-03 season and when the 250R was still legal to ride in the pro class. Most of the pro's had switched to 4stroke power. J.Jones won the title on a 250R, but barely, Joe Byrd was 2nd on a 4stroke. If i'm not mistaken Kory Ellis was the first to convert to a 4stroke way back in 2000. Im a diehard Honda fan, but the reason 250R's were raced for so long is because that's all there was. Now we got something better. I remember looking at cycle traders before the 450's came out and seeing 250R's selling for $5000+ you won't see that now.

That's what I was thinking.

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by kwatts400
I'm not sure, but I'm thinking that that is kind of pointless. Yeah, back in 89 you could roll an r out of the showroom for about $4400, but that was back in 89. I bought my 89r a little over 2 yrs ago for $4400 (price on r's was still up there at this point). I put about $1600 in new plastics, bearings, clutch, brakes, & fresh top end (I was lucky that the frame was already powdercoated). That just got it to a "like new" level. The shocks were still old and the motor was still basically stock. I also put on a new 39mm carb and some used Ohlins shocks and once I have them rebuilt I'll be up to $7000, give or take, cost of a new 450r, out the door ($6900 for me). At that point in the rebuild, my 450r was in front of the 250r by about a bikelength.

It really doesn't matter which one of them is faster to me, they are both fun as ***** to ride. I'll never get rid of either of them. I could put an esr 310 kit on my 250 to make it faster, but then I could get an esr 480 kit for my 450. :D

Looks like I need to get another job:macho

I also have a 250R and a 450R. I couldn't agree more with everything you just said.

[Iliketogofast]

I bet an ESR 310 or 330 would beat one of those 480 kits... Any opinions on that? I personally have never seen one of those kits in action.

[Blown 331]

I've never seen either run. I've seen over 50 rwhp out of the ESR 480 kit though. I think that's the kit I'm going to buy, it's pretty cheap. Nmotion does make a 520cc kit too. Unless someone on here has ran them best place to find your answer is probably ESR, they make them both.

[250r4life]

in the end it always comes down to who has more money.... if youve got the money you can make your bike faster... there are advantages and disadvantages to both... there is always gunna be someone bigger/faster/stronger, and its an ongoing cycle... at times i wish i wasnt so competitive cuz when i had only 3k into my r with just a pipe, filter, rad valve, and a few other odds and end, it was plenty fast to have fun on and if it wasnt for racing comp hill i would have left it at that... i personally thik modding your bike out to the extreme to win every drag is stupid... if you're bike is so fast that nobody can touch you, that takes away part of the fun... part of the fun of racing (i think) is seeing who got the better of who, who got the best launch, who took the whoops the best, etc... sometimes you win sometimes you lose... its a battle every time... its like playing Madden against a 5 year old, cool, you win every time... yippee.. id rather play (race) people who challenge me... the point is is the 250s and 450s are at the top... they are all respectable... i've seen some pretty slick raptors too, so they can all be considered at the top and again all are respectable... now the z400s, 400ex, and etc are a notch below-period... it just depends on what you value... i personally love the powerband of the 2 stroke and prefer it over the torque of a 4... there is no clear winner/loser here, the only way its ever gunna end is just mutual respect, which both deserve

yea well its 2005 and i dont think ive seen a 250 in a championship race in the longest time.

My Qestion....... WHY

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[250r4life]

am i the only one thath thinks that marshmello is just full of incoherent rambling and that at no point does he come anywhere close to a rational thought? it seems to me he is as bout as sharp as a marble

[deathman53]

that becuase they are using 450's to try to get factory sponsership, in 02 and 03 they were using 450 dirtbike motors, but the 250's were still around and raced, the top gncc guys were on 250's, it was 04 that really changed things and the pro production rules that really closed the door to the 250's, I think chris borsch, ballance, jerimia jones, and many others would still rather use a 250r.

[speedjunkie250]

DA CHIT IS GETTIN DEEP. AS FOR MODS US 250Rs HAVE TO PUT THE 310 330 KITS CAUSE FROM FACTORY WE ALREDY ARE UNDER cc . YOU WANNA PUT THE 480 GO AHEAD HOW LONG WILL IT LAST. WE COULD PUT 310 330 AND THE SABRE KITS AND THE BIKE / MOTOR WILL HOLD UP. THE INTIAL COST YEAH IS EXPENSIVE BUT WHATZ THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN WE BLOW RINGS BREAK A PISTON. (CHUMP CHANGE ) COMPARED TO IF THE 450 DROPS A VALVE. THINK BOUT THAT. EVEYONE NEEDZ TO CHILL . THE 250 r WILL ALWAYZ BE THE BEST PRODUCTION QUAD EVER BUILT HANDZ DOWN. TECHNOLOGY BACK THEN MADE THE BEST BIKE FOUR 20 YRS AND STILL COUNTING. BESIDES THE FOUR STROCK WITH PIPE SOUNDZ LIKE A CROP DUSTER.

Originally posted by 250r4life
am i the only one thath thinks that marshmello is just full of incoherent rambling and that at no point does he come anywhere close to a rational thought? it seems to me he is as bout as sharp as a marble

YES... and u feel awfully comfortable writing wat ever the hell u want with only 12 posts


Newbie

[250r4life]

settle down there marshmello man- dont want to have to call ghostbusters on ya... :D the fact that i only have 12 posts is irrelevant. i've read over a number of discussions and i just call it how i see it-... your questions as to why you are not seeing 250rs in championship racing is like asking why you didnt see mike tyson fighting after he got his license taken away... lets see here... :devil:

no i mean i dont really keep up with quads on t.v so all i see is utility and 450's,no 250's.
they r both great quads but i mean i wasnt around wen 2-strokes ruled.soo i guess thats y i preffer the 450.
i mean i dont want to bash the 250's but every bodies got there own preferences.and i guess mine is a 4-stroke. i mean even on dirtbikes id prefer a 4 stroke more than a 2.

:macho

[speedjunkie250]

SEE NOW YOU WENT PISSED OFF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTZ. WHY 450 GUYZ COME IN THE 250R FORUMS I DONT KNOW. BUT HALF OF EM START RUNNIN AT THE MOUTH. GO TO TRX250R.ORG AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT A 450 ON THAT SITE . THATS WHERE I MAINLY STAY NOW ITS STRICTLY 250R.

[250r4life]

hey marshmello, how ironic is that that youre calling me a newbie (which i can't beleive you tried to use that in a degrating way-you really got good that time) & now you fess up that you havent been around the quad scene long. well, one quick look at your profile explains everything- youre 15 years old... so yes you may have a few months on me in this forum, but ive been riding bikes since before you were born kid... of course youre gunna prefer the 450, its the new trend & has all the new hype, youre not old enough to know any better... my first bike was a 200s, but i would doubt you know what that is as it was out 10 years before you were born

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
I bet an ESR 310 or 330 would beat one of those 480 kits... Any opinions on that? I personally have never seen one of those kits in action.

I saw the esr 480 go up against a couple of 330r's when I was in MI. He gave them all they could handle. They had no problem telling him that he had a fast bike.

[kwatts400]

Originally posted by 250r4life
in the end it always comes down to who has more money.... if youve got the money you can make your bike faster... there are advantages and disadvantages to both... there is always gunna be someone bigger/faster/stronger, and its an ongoing cycle... at times i wish i wasnt so competitive cuz when i had only 3k into my r with just a pipe, filter, rad valve, and a few other odds and end, it was plenty fast to have fun on and if it wasnt for racing comp hill i would have left it at that... i personally thik modding your bike out to the extreme to win every drag is stupid... part of the fun of racing (i think) is seeing who got the better of who, who got the best launch, who took the whoops the best, etc... sometimes you win sometimes you lose... its a battle every time... the point is is the 250s and 450s are at the top... they are all respectable... it just depends on what you value... i personally love the powerband of the 2 stroke and prefer it over the torque of a 4... there is no clear winner/loser here, the only way its ever gunna end is just mutual respect, which both deserve

You are 100% correct.

[deathman53]

it all comes down to the rider, put travis spader on a 400ex he will whoop most of our asses. I remember last year with him riding a stock 450r,he was passing yfz's, 400ex, 450r's 250r's left and right. yes it is the bike to a point, but the rider is more important.

[smorris]

Originally posted by Nate Dogg #76
If you look back to the GNC Nationals 2002-03 season and when the 250R was still legal to ride in the pro class. Most of the pro's had switched to 4stroke power. J.Jones won the title on a 250R, but barely, Joe Byrd was 2nd on a 4stroke. If i'm not mistaken Kory Ellis was the first to convert to a 4stroke way back in 2000. Im a diehard Honda fan, but the reason 250R's were raced for so long is because that's all there was. Now we got something better. I remember looking at cycle traders before the 450's came out and seeing 250R's selling for $5000+ you won't see that now.
Not trying to beat a dead horse , but if you'll also look at the tt standings for the last year the 250's were legal in pro class.......
I think you'll see that Shane Hitt won every single race and
what you wont see is that he won every heat race except for 1 think one that year.......on a 250 r honda!I also owned both and loved my 250r.But the 450 is def. easier to ride.My Curtis Sparks powered 250 was way faster than the 450 in a drag race , but hey I aint drag racin here... On the track the 450 is faster for me..
But it aint stock anymore either...so....The biggest thing bout four strokes is the cost to build em is so much higher..A rebuild on a 250 is what ?Maybe $400...?Crank, piston , bearings , gaskets, reed vaves......Try getting all the parts for a four stroke that cheap....If you happen to break stuff then the price goes way up on the 450.......(experiece talkin here)
www.atvaonline.com lclick on racing, then go to the extreme dirt track nationals, then scroll down to the arhived results and click on 2003.. check out pro class standings for the tt .....facts ,not opinions...

[250r rider 86]

what the hell lets end this right here, look the 250r will be the best quad ever made end of story. u 450 guys like 450's thats fine. us 250 guys like our 250r's so y do u come in here to stir up sh** ya thats right go back to your 450 forums and leave us alone, we dont care if you say u have a faster 450. so what y do we care. go tell the 450 guys you can beat theminstead of buggin us, so 450 guys go to 450 forums and 250 guys go to 250 forums simple math ppl. what are we in kindergarten again " my quads faster then yours " face the facts therse always gonna be someone whos bigger and better. the only thing that matters is that u have fun. so now 450 guys just get the hell out and dont even respond to what i put here just leave. :grr:

[ridinredodb]

both quads are great. if it wasnt for the legendary 250R we wouldnt be riding our 450Rs today. and remember the 250Rs are 16-20 years old! in our riding group we do a lot of hillclimbing and have a lot of hillclimbing competitions to see who can climb the craziest hills and the best rider in our group rides a stock 1986 250R with a curtis sparks pipe and a AC bumper and thats it!!!

i remember way back in the day even before the 400ex was out and everyone rode a 250R! now all you see is yfz's and 450R's. the 250R is a great machine and is still just as competative as the 450's. neither quad is better than the other.

[speedjunkie250]

THETS RIGHT TELL EM. YEAH GO PLAY IN YOUR OWN FORUM. SOMEWHERE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN ******* THAT COMES IN OUR FORUM STIRRING ****. THATS WHY I MAINLY STAY IN TRX250R.ORG. FORUMS. THEY ONLY LET 250R GUYZ IN.

[markk]

Originally posted by drider
Man, lets face is you cant put 2 hondas together to fight to see's who better. There both brothers! Well. Can say this. Stock for stock the 450R will out perform the 250R. Understand that. 250r's are ancient compared to the 450r's. Rite?? Ancient meaning, atleast youngest 250r has to be 16 years old. Put it against a 2 year old 450R, 450r will whoop it! It's a clear statement, the 450r is the winner! look all the races going on are all 450's 4 strokes! So Zedicus00 theres no need for saying real men ride 2 strokes.. cause thats plain ignorance!

ok acceleration goes to 450R
power, boh have different power bands. But 450R wins.
trails. Go to 450R
Track. goes to 450R


I will put my 1/2cent in your statment also "So Zedicus00 theres no need for saying real men ride 2 strokes.. cause thats plain ignorance!" You have to look at the Rules and regulations that where introduced to the sport in the last few years, Rules state (dont take this word for word, but this is what they mean) The rules say that For a rider to be eligable to race in AMA sanctioned PRO events they must run a Production based Frame,motor, with numbers matching the motor to the frame.

And lets face it most guys out there racing are wanting to move up in the world, and there hopes are to one day make it to the PRO classes. So the way i see it, the 2-strokes are fading off, because the top riders where forced to move to 4-strokes.

That is just my opnion! Dont take offence, but thats what i think!
I also think just like Zedicus that real men ride 2-strokes!

[speedjunkie250]

DUDE YOU COULDNT LEAVE IT ALONE YOU JUS ADDED FUEL TO THE FIRE.( REAL MEN RIDE 2- STROKES ) THATS JUS A QUOTE. SO TAKE YOUR LITTLE 416 AND RELAX. EVERYBODY HAS A QUOTE. YOUR THE CHILD CAUSE YOUR THE ONE OFFENDED BY THE REMARK.I SAY WE GO INTO THE EX FORUMS AND START ****. SEE HOW YOU GUYZ FEEL WE BELIEVE IN 250R. NOBODY ASKED YALL TO COME RUN YALL DAMM MOUTH NOW SQUASH IT. ITS OVER YOU RIDE YOUR BIKE WELL RIDE THE BETTER BIKE. ( IN OUR OPINION) . ITS STILL A FREE COUNTRY LAST I CHECKED.

[HAVOK]

Real men ride 4x4's.
I love both R's.

[250r4life]

i think all these 4 stroke ***s are just a little light in the jock to be running their mouths this much... i mean theyve got to have as much downstairs as a house with no basement... bring all your gay thumpers down to the dunes and get smoked... i'm way past the point of arguing this, in fact i think if you did meet me at the dunes i would pull you off your bike and beat you senseless instead of smoking you up the hill... why dont yall just get the $$$$ out of dodge... we dont want to hear your nonsense. yah it sux that this has to be said and im the one who had to say it, but it needed to be done... so go take you 4 stroke and your tampons and bounce

[kwatts400]

Heres from someone who owns both.

















Who p!ssed in your cheerios? :rolleyes:

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by 250r4life
i think all these 4 stroke ***s are just a little light in the jock to be running their mouths this much... i mean theyve got to have as much downstairs as a house with no basement... bring all your gay thumpers down to the dunes and get smoked... i'm way past the point of arguing this, in fact i think if you did meet me at the dunes i would pull you off your bike and beat you senseless instead of smoking you up the hill... why dont yall just get the $$$$ out of dodge... we dont want to hear your nonsense. yah it sux that this has to be said and im the one who had to say it, but it needed to be done... so go take you 4 stroke and your tampons and bounce

If everyone wants to stop talking about it how about you stop posting! Oh yeah stop talking smack there is only one thing you beat.

[250r4life]

yea there is only one thing i beat- thats your girl after i break her off a little somn somn... why dont you take your joto *** back to your own forum

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by 250r4life
yea there is only one thing i beat- thats your girl after i break her off a little somn somn... why dont you take your joto *** back to your own forum
Wow that was a great comeback!
Stop posting captain brown eye!

[250r4life]

why dont you just get out of our forum and go back to your own butt-pirate forum... if you'll notice i ride a 250r (the best bike ever built), hence i'm in the 250r forum. however, you ride a 450r and fat cock right up your ***, so why dont you get the heck out of here

[ground_zero298]

2 stroke 4x4's or 4 stroke 4x4's?

[ground_zero298]

just have future450 close the thread, weird name huh future450? 250R forum? I don't get it.

[Blown 331]

Just ask someone who owns both their unbiased opinon on which is faster.

[kwatts400]

I've already given mine.

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by kwatts400
I've already given mine.

I have both too. I just had to look up your opinion and I couldn't agree more.

[XCredrider]

who the hell cares about which is better. I know what i think is the better quad and that's all that matters. This thread needs to stop now before a mod see's it and just closes it. No one ask this stupid ***** question agin. There is no deffinate answer like said before. IT all depends on rider money and what kind of deals you can get. So everyone shut up and get over yourselves and go to your own threads and dont go into each others quads forums.

[speedjunkie250]

COLDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER. SOMEONE IS GUNNA CATCH A HEART ATTACK.JUS CHILL ITS OUR OPINION AGAINST THERES.IM ALL 250R BUT RODE THE 450R GOOD BIKE BUT STILL PREFER THE ORIGINAL. THATS MY OPINION. CANT WE ALL GET ALONG....NOT.

[250r4life]

see, obviously ive got some issues and anger management problems :D that is exaclty why i ride, for fun and as a release... if i dont go riding for a couple weeks i get all high strung and everything... when i wanna blow off steam, i hop on my bike and just ride like a bat out of hell until i'm exhausted and have pretty much scaired all the steam away... i cant get that rush on a 4 stroke.. i get on my R and just have it pinned the whole freaking time, balls to the wall... at times ive come home at midnight all stressed/frustrated/and pissed off, and i'll load up my bike and just go out and go until i bout kill myself... back when i was in school i used to blow off all my steam on the football field or on the wrestling mat or fighting, just take it out on somebody else and punish them for whatever was pissing me off... then i graduated and although i had always loved to ride, thats when i got big into it, my new way to release tension... i couldnt play ball or wrestle anymore, and fighting gets ya arrested, so had to find something... riding was it... ride what you want but leave your talking for the field/mat/track/hill... it dont matter what you ride, its how you ride it that matters... you can have the baddest bike on earth but if you ride like a chump what does it matter...

[yeap66]

first of all all u ppl should get teh sand outta u'r vagina's and stop bithcin abotu somethin this stupid jsut ride the wheeler it's all the rider anyway and i own a 450 but had a 250 and i like em both i dont' c y u dumb asses gotta diss the 450 get u'r heads outta the 80's. but whatever floats u'r boats