is it true the z 400 is top rated

[2004400exa]

my friend was arguing with me tell me that the z 400 is top rated out of all the sport atvs and he also said that a stock z 400 can smoke a stock 400ex anyday and so he was telling me this cause he wants to get on cause this guy at this honda dealer told him its the top rated he aslo told me that the stock 450r does not last long cause of the small piston in it and so i wandering if any of this was true or not

[NacsMXer]

First of all, you can confidently tell your friend that he is full of $hit. Ask him what the hell "top rated" is supposed to mean. "Top rated" by who? the quad gods? Yamawheels? Gimme a break :rolleyes: Sure, the Z400 is a well-rounded machine just like the 400EX is, but the fact of the matter is there is no "Best Quad". The best quad, is the best quad for you and your application.

Comparing a 400EX to a Z400 is like comparing apples to oranges. You have the dependable air-cooled old technology of the 400EX and the more efficient, liquid cooled newer technology of the Z400. Stock for stock, with equally skilled riders, the Z400 will win in a drag race. It makes more power stock.......plain and simple. However, you can mod out a both 400's to see 50 HP no problem. My quad is a good example of the power potential of the 400EX.....I beat Z400's, Raptors, 400EX's, and hang with the new 450 quads all day. It's all about how much $$$ you wanna spend.

Again, comparing the maintainence intervals of a Z400/400EX to a 450R is like comparing apples to oranges. The 450R motor was designed for high performance and racing, and needs to be rebuilt and maintained accordingly. The Z400 will obviously not need to be rebuilt as often since it was not specifically intended for all-out performance.

[MSL]

Let me get this correct the Honda dealer told your friend that the Z400 was the top rated sport quad?

I DONT THINK SO SCOOTER!

I just cant see a Honda dealer saying that.


both quads are good.

[Joe400ex]

ya i dont think a honda dealer would say that , ya right. plus z400's are crappy

[TC426EX]

Originally posted by Joe400ex
plus z400's are crappy

Amen...

[blue416ex]

my bike is another example of how a worked 400ex can walk all over some of the 450's and ALL the z400s with equal mods i whoop em but they are both descent quads the ex is more reliable the Z haD frame problems and their suspesin setups are a tad beeter than ours but IMO id take reliability over a little suspension and THE NEW 450'S ARE THE BEST:devil: :macho

[bonified5]

Actually, i was at my honda dealer and there was a 2003 z400 and 2003 ex and the salesman reccommended me to get the z.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by bonified5
Actually, i was at my honda dealer and there was a 2003 z400 and 2003 ex and the salesman reccommended me to get the z.

Um ok. The EX is still more reliable. It's comparing apples to oranges. The Z is faster and more responsive, but the EX will last you longer.

[muddy400EX]

Originally posted by bonified5
Actually, i was at my honda dealer and there was a 2003 z400 and 2003 ex and the salesman reccommended me to get the z.



prolly cuz they cost more and he wants the money:p i think the 400ex is a better made quad. sure, a z has a bit more power, and that reverse thingy. but there not so much faster that there gonna smoke a EX or anything. with good riders, it should be close

[bullitz400]

So you guys say just because the z had front shock mount problems that theyre crappy?? I'de like to race some of your cocky ex guys that say that kinda stuff.

[bloodhound400]

no matter how fast suzuki is they will still be JUST JUNKY ***** suzuki!!:D :D

[muddy400EX]

Originally posted by bullitz400
So you guys say just because the z had front shock mount problems that theyre crappy?? I'de like to race some of your cocky ex guys that say that kinda stuff.


well, what do you expect from a former honda site?:rolleyes:

[400exredrider]

z400s sit too high and have alot of roll in them... liquid cooled is nice, but if your gonna spend the money get a used 450 or a good 400ex

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by 2004400exa
he aslo told me that the stock 450r does not last long cause of the small piston in it

Did anyone else catch this part?? Last time I checked...a 450cc piston is bigger than a 400, so wouldn't that make the Z400 much less reliable than the 450R? :o That Honda dealer guy has down syndrom!

[yamablaster24]

if you actually ride hard your z400 will be breaking so often youll be welding it and buying new parts more then you will be riding. My buddy with new 2004 frame ( he broke 2003 in half) Had to have it gusseted and rewelded like 10 times. Thw swingarm was cracked in half and it had so many motor problems. My 400ex has never had a problem and i beat the livin crap outta the thing on the track

[Dannys440]

got two friends one a Z400 and the other an eiger 400(I have been told they have the same basic motor).The boy with the z has beat me(him 5,6",165,Me 6',250)beat me due to rider size.Next day he blew it slam up.Friend with the eiger rode it for about 2 years broke the rod in half. This to me proved that that motor is a POS.Now the King Quad 300 are tanks,cant kill them.

[400exredrider]

haha 450r pistons are small!???? HAHAH thats the funniest thing i have heard for awhile,, go ask him the bore and stroke on a 450r and the bore and stroke on a z400 and see what he says

[bullitz400]

whatever you guys say. I guess this is a honda sight after all. So if honda's are so strong why would my friends a-arm break that barely rides his ex after doing a little wheelie?? hmm....

maybe the motor, but not the suspension or geometry

The Z400 is for fat women! Every fat woman I see riding in Glamis is on a Z400. Tell your friend to make up a new lie. The 450R will beat the $hit out of a Z any day no matter what mods. I'm sick and tired of these low budget Susuckme riders trying to come into a Honda fourm and talk $hit. Hey Z400 riders you should give your bike to your mom because I bet she's a fat chick HAHAHAHAH!!!!!

I bet she rides a Z400.

[400exredrider]

this is gonna be a flamer i can tell already

Honda 4 Life. You wouldn't even have decent quads today if it wasn't for honda. So pay some respect to the best and paint your Z400's red.

[400exredrider]

i amn a hardcore honda man but i have to admit that suzuki started 4 wheelers,, but the z400 IMO isnt great

well, when i was at pismo beach, i drag raced a z400 with my homemade 350atc, i call it the beast (got cam can tell you about it) to make a long story short, i was able to beat the Z400 with a ****ty atc. says alot for that bike

Originally posted by bonified5
Actually, i was at my honda dealer and there was a 2003 z400 and 2003 ex and the salesman reccommended me to get the z.

they wanted that Z400 piece of **** out of their thats all

Originally posted by bullitz400
whatever you guys say. I guess this is a honda sight after all. So if honda's are so strong why would my friends a-arm break that barely rides his ex after doing a little wheelie?? hmm....

HMM..your friend must be a fatass

Originally posted by bullitz400
So you guys say just because the z had front shock mount problems that theyre crappy?? I'de like to race some of your cocky ex guys that say that kinda stuff.

[ohski]

I probably shouldn’t even reply to this since it has come down to immature name calling but I’m going to put my 2 cents in anyway.

I own both a 400ex and a Z400… I can honestly say I love both of them. The Honda is out of commission right now but they are both very nice machines. Are either of them perfect..? No not by a long shot but I would buy both of them again in a heart beat. My Z is pretty much bone stock and I must say I feel very comfortable on it, more so than the EX. The Ex on the other hand has some mods to it and even though I don’t feel as comfortable on it I have more faith in riding it faster as it is very forgiving. Let’s face it that has a lot to do with having a good set of shocks on it set up for me and my style of riding.

There is no way to compare any of the 400’s to any of the new 450’s… Sure you can do a lot to them but you can do the same things to the 450’s. A good rider can do a lot with a machine too, I’ve seen guys on 300’s keep up with 400/450’s in the woods but they were working their butt off and quite possibly crossing that fine between being in control and hurting themselves.

Buy what you want, buy what you like, most importantly have fun on it.

Wade

Originally posted by 400exredrider
i amn a hardcore honda man but i have to admit that suzuki started 4 wheelers,, but the z400 IMO isnt great

How so? We all know the best quad ever built until the 450's was the 86 250R. I have made this statement due to suspension motor and reliability. Don't deny either you honda haters ask anyone who really rides and has been doing it for over 20 years like me. They'll tell you the best bike ever built stock was the 86 250R. If you want to talk about best motor ever put in a quad it gose to the banshee. Thats the only quad I've ever seen touch over 80 horsepower with under $1000.00 of motor work. All Suzuki ever had that was alright was the Zilla (Quadzilla). But if you ask me it rode kind of top heavy and had too much torque for the stock swing arm. You guys can keep trying to defend your 400's but we all know if you had some money you would buy a 450. Thats real talk nothing, but the truth. Please don't reply to this comment with some kind of bull$hit story talking about "My Z400 will beat banshees and 450's" or "My 400 will beat your 400". Oh yeah I have one last quick question for you guys. Why do 450's cost $6499.99 or $6799.99 and 400's are always under $6000.00?

[khen]

Originally posted by gotcam?
How so? We all know the best quad ever built until the 450's was the 86 250R. I have made this statement due to suspension motor and reliability. Don't deny either you honda haters ask anyone who really rides and has been doing it for over 20 years like me. They'll tell you the best bike ever built stock was the 86 250R. If you want to talk about best motor ever put in a quad it gose to the banshee. Thats the only quad I've ever seen touch over 80 horsepower with under $1000.00 of motor work. All Suzuki ever had that was alright was the Zilla (Quadzilla). But if you ask me it rode kind of top heavy and had too much torque for the stock swing arm. You guys can keep trying to defend your 400's but we all know if you had some money you would buy a 450. Thats real talk nothing, but the truth. Please don't reply to this comment with some kind of bull$hit story talking about "My Z400 will beat banshees and 450's" or "My 400 will beat your 400". Oh yeah I have one last quick question for you guys. Why do 450's cost $6499.99 or $6799.99 and 400's are always under $6000.00? I believe what 400exredrider was refering to is that Suzuki claims to be "first on 4 wheels".. But in reality that is not true.. They may have been the first on 4 wheels in Japan, but Rupp was building 4 wheelers back in 1969.

I make quite a bit of money and would have no problem buying a 450 if I wanted one. Truth is I've been to the dealer multiple times contemplating it, but the thrill of a new toy is quickly overcome with the reality that a stock 450R and most piped 450R's have nothing on my semi-mild built 416EX.. Maybe when Honda comes out with a fuel injected, aluminum framed(lighter weight) 450 I could justify it.

Oh, and as far as your question.. The 450's are more money than the 400's because they come with a bigger carb, hotter cam, bigger bore, higher compression piston, better head flow, bigger valves and better front shocks. For the 400's you have to add these things if you want to compete. If you're cautious with your money and do the assembly yourself, you can build a Z400 or 400EX to low-mid 40's horsepower for quite a bit less than $1000. This is in the hp range of a piped 450R.

Originally posted by khen
I make quite a bit of money and would have no problem buying a 450 if I wanted one. Truth is I've been to the dealer multiple times contemplating it, but the thrill of a new toy is quickly overcome with the reality that a stock 450R and most piped 450R's have nothing on my semi-mild built 416EX.. Maybe when Honda comes out with a fuel injected, aluminum framed(lighter weight) 450 I could justify it. [/B]

Thats great! But in reality not everyone wants to put the time and effort into building there bikes. Most new riders now a days just simply want to buy a bike pipe it, jet it, and slap an air filter on it and have fun. So with that said there is no better bike stock than the 450's. I not lying here its a fact they are buit with nothing but the latest and greatest technology. I'm not trying to be rude but, I did say the Banshee had 80 Hp not 40 for under $1000.00 in the motor. Thats double yours. I love 400's and always have. I'm just speaking the truth the 450's are expensive but well worth the price. If your were going to crown any quad as the best quad this day and age it would go to the 450. Yamaha or Honda it dosen't matter.

[UglyMotha™]

retards make me laugh, there not as funny as midgets, but still funny none the less :ermm:

[2004400exa]

my freind also said that the 450rs piston ring is thin and he said it wouldnt last long

[UglyMotha™]

please no more posting out of you and go tell your buddy to stick his head up his arse :huh

[khen]

Originally posted by gotcam?
Thats great! But in reality not everyone wants to put the time and effort into building there bikes. Most new riders now a days just simply want to buy a bike pipe it, jet it, and slap an air filter on it and have fun. So with that said there is no better bike stock than the 450's. I not lying here its a fact they are buit with nothing but the latest and greatest technology. I'm not trying to be rude but, I did say the Banshee had 80 Hp not 40 for under $1000.00 in the motor. Thats double yours. I love 400's and always have. I'm just speaking the truth the 450's are expensive but well worth the price. If your were going to crown any quad as the best quad this day and age it would go to the 450. Yamaha or Honda it dosen't matter. I agree that the 450's are somewhat of a breakthrough in ATV's. If I was looking for a new quad and didn't already have a 400EX I would buy a 450R or possibly a YFZ.. Also, I wasn't trying to say that for $1000 dollars I could make a 400EX compete with a Banshee with $1000 worth of engine mods.. I was more comparing it to the mid 40's horsepower that a piped 450R seems to put out. As far as a Banshee, I simply don't like how they handle and how the power comes on(yes I've rode them).. 80 peaky hp doesn't do me much good on a MX track. If I was more into hillshooting and drag racing at the dunes I'd consider it, but when I go to the dunes I like to jump and race through whooped out sections and rage bowls.

[khen]

I do also enjoy building engines almost as much as I enjoy riding. I know that's not the case for everyone.

[2004400exa]

so if my friend is getting a stock z 400 and u said its faster then a stock 400ex what r some mods i can put on my 400ex to make it beat the z 400

[400exredrider]

not everyone is a buy the fastest quad out there and slap a pipe on it guy,,, look how many 416 426 440 465 505s there are out tehre as well as 530R and 560Rs people enjoy making their quad faster just as much as they do riding,because its all worth it once that 2 grand motor is complete.

[2004400exa]

besides a pipe tho i already have one on my 400ex it s an hmf and im not shur if i want to bore it out to a 416 or 440 cause i dont have mony yet

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Originally posted by 2004400exa
my freind also said that the 450rs piston ring is thin and he said it wouldnt last long

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