400ex or Raptor

[JKWGA400EX]

HEY YALL,
WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST,GETING A 400EX OR A RAPTOR 660(IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT STOCK?)OR HOW ABOUT IF YOU PLANN TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS ON IT.

THANKS,
JK

[kuba1506]

it would depend on what you were to do with it (trails, or racing) both seem to be pretty good bikes dont know much about the raptor but i had heard to stay away from the 2001's because of some tranny issues. my friend has a 400ex with a pipe on it and it rips through the woods. never ridden a raptor but i would go with the 400ex

[Ridin' Jesse]

My friends got a raptor, he races it and it TEARS UP the trails...i can barely keep up with him in the snow...major torque on it!

[Hon300ex]

get a raptor but definately not the 2001

[Scro]

Originally posted by Hon300ex
get a raptor but definately not the 2001

oh man....that gave me an eye sore to read! get a 400ex...you cant go wrong

hey go with the raptor inless your going to put mods on the 400ex a stock raptor can beat a modded 400ex

if your smart you will go with the raptor and the raptor will be better for modding if you want to go fast in dunes or trails but if you going to mx go with the yfz 450 or the trx 450r

[ridin4life05]

I would definitly go with a raptor. Not 2001 unless the transmission has been upgraded to an 02 or higher but thy have major torque. Burn them in reverse. lol Im lookin 4 one becuz my freinds have them and they are sweet

heres my raptor upgrades are at the botum

heres my raptor upgrades are at the botum

[muddy400EX]

i have ridden both and i would def. say to go with the 400! im not trying to start a war or anything but a raptor to me, just felt to tall and skinny and the handling just felt terrible compared to my 400. a 400ex has a lower stance kinda like a 250r so there great in trails! i rode the raptor for about 10 min. and i was ready to get back on my 400. i would also have to say that a 400 is wayy better for modding. a raptor will rule the dunes and drags but for mx, or xc i would def. say 400ex;)

[ridin4life05]

NO WAR! I do agree that they are better for trails and that raptors are better for dunes and dragging. I was going to get a 400ex but then i rode my freinds raptor and loved it!

hello post pic of your qauds heres my raptor in the pic i dont have my graydon nerf bars or my dura blue axle upgrades are below

[ridin4life05]

how did you post your picture. I cannot get my pictures on there. Is it because they are from my pictures and not from a web adress or what

you have to go and edit and change the size to 200 or smaller as u can see at the topp i had a hard time lol

[ridin4life05]

thanx

[Jimford]

I have a 400ex and I've ridden a raptor. The raptor was fast as hell. Wow I was surprised at the torque. I actually liked the engine torgue better than my friends yfz450. The only thing I didn't like was the handling. But if it was my quad I would be used to it. I'm used to my low and wide 400. Whatever quad you get you will get used to their handling characteristics. I like my 400 but that raptor was FAST!!!

[400Rider022]

400EX:macho

[XRideRed450r]

Get a 450R :) I haven't seen raptor anywhere near me

[raptorman2001]

hey man go with the raptor the are great tons of torque and all the racing/hillclimbing power you need and it will last for ever i have one now for sale and the only reason i am selling is because i would have to put another 3500 into it to start racing mx and i need the money for a 450 i have over 3500 in extras now so i really am wanting to sell


Awsome 2001 Yamaha Raptor That Is Almost Fully Moded For Sale Or Trade 4 400ex W/exta

HEY I HAVE A AWSOME RAPTOR THAT HAS
BRAND NEW WHEEL AND TIRES
ALL GYT-R SKIDS (FRONT TO BACK)
GYT-R GRAB BAR
DG FRONT BUMPER
CARBON FIBER LIGHT GAURDS(mean look)
acesesbie hand gaurds
renthal handlebars
k&n air filter
fmf power core 4 full exaust
with power bomb header (extra hp)
jetted (dyno jet)
professionally ported and polished
stage2 cams
pistons and rings
and there is probally more i have forgotten but this is almost the meanest quad i have ever ridden no joke!!!
IT IS BLUE WITH A GREY NOSE PIECE

I WILL SELL FOR $4000 BUT PROBALLY WOULD BE CONSIDERATE WITH THAT PRICE OR TRADE FOR A MODED 400EX
MX OR TRAIL READY!!

[ridin4life05]

well i just fell short about 1000 dollars so i bought my freind 87 250x back again. give me your email adress if you would like to see it:)

[lilwitting]

it would beat that raptors ***

[outofsight]

Raptor for dunes. 400ex for everything else. If you want the power of the raptor put in a higher comp. piston, cam, pipe, and do a little porting. I have drove a couple raptors I like the power, but there to tippy for my riding. Ride both and see what you like better. Good luck with your choice. There both great choices

[festa171]

If you want power get the raptor. it's MUCH easier to do some suspension mods than engine work. Sure it's a little tippy when you are not used to it, but like soemone said before you get used to it.

I have a raptor w/ elka ssd and lonestar +2 arms, +2 swingarm and axcalibur axle. Handles like a dream, plus now with everyone parting out their quads to get new 450s you can get these parts CHEAP.

Same thing w/ 400ex. It's suspension is nice but it's not that powerful. In my opinion this side of the spectrum is more difficult to fix. All these engine parts need to be professionally installed and bought new. Once you start doing engine mods you run the risk of losing reliability

[HondaEXRider17]

Go with the 400, its way more reliable then the raptor!

[400exrider26]

I agree, go with the 400ex. They are a very reliable quad... I would go with the 400 for trails and mostly everything else unless you are going to the dunes, then go with the raptor...

[markk]

Originally posted by bama450r
oh man....that gave me an eye sore to read! get a 400ex...you cant go wrong



Exactly, A rappy is kinda top tispy when it comes down to tight trails, and offcamber sections in the woods. A 400ex is very very reliable, id say 4-5 times more realiable than a raptor. If that helps your choose, Also u dont really need more HP than a 400ex puts out. They will climb almost anything u care to try with them. And if the quad cant climb it, then a raptor probley wouldnt either!

[BIGRED400]

No doubt, The suspension was built on the 250R geometry,handles like on rails, Raptor is very tipy and topheavy, even Honest Raptor owners will tell you this.And with a little work bore and compression w/cam you will show the 400 taillights to the Raptors, it ain't braggin' when it's true :D
416
JE 11:1 with ............ http://www.swaintech.com/4whl.html
HotCams Stage 2
White Bro's E-Series w/18 Disc's
170 Main
42 Pilot

:macho

[muddy400EX]

Originally posted by festa171
If you want power get the raptor. it's MUCH easier to do some suspension mods than engine work. Sure it's a little tippy when you are not used to it, but like soemone said before you get used to it.

I have a raptor w/ elka ssd and lonestar +2 arms, +2 swingarm and axcalibur axle. Handles like a dream, plus now with everyone parting out their quads to get new 450s you can get these parts CHEAP.

Same thing w/ 400ex. It's suspension is nice but it's not that powerful. In my opinion this side of the spectrum is more difficult to fix. All these engine parts need to be professionally installed and bought new. Once you start doing engine mods you run the risk of losing reliability



but some people may not want to spend 2 grand to make it handle good when they could buy a different quad that handles great;)

[300racer]

I would go with the 400ex! I have a friend with a raptor and yeah it had some alot of torque and yeah it was fast but when he blew it up it didn't have any toque and it wasn't very vast. then he got it rebuilt and it was fast and torqie for about 3 months then the tranny went and he is in the same boat he was 3 months ago. I know 4 people with 400's 3 of them mostly stock all have pipes and jet kit thats about it and all of them still run one is a 99 and does smoke a little bit but it just needs reringed. Not one of them have had tranny probs or have blown up they are a very reliable machine. and if raptors was an awesome quad to race then why wasn't there many 660's racin before the 450's came out? and 400ex'es was every where everybody and there brother had one. but that is just my .02

[mntly_imptnt]

Originally posted by WhiteLakeMotors
hey go with the raptor inless your going to put mods on the 400ex a stock raptor can beat a modded 400ex

if your smart you will go with the raptor and the raptor will be better for modding if you want to go fast in dunes or trails but if you going to mx go with the yfz 450 or the trx 450r


lol not even. 400ex is alot better in the woods and trails. dunes is a different story. if you are a big guy, the 400 will be small for you. if you are a heavy guy, raptor will best suit you. my 2 cents

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by muddy400EX
but some people may not want to spend 2 grand to make it handle good when they could buy a different quad that handles great;)
Very true. And some people might not want to spend 2k to make a 400 faster when they can buy another quad that already screams.;)

Different strokes for different folks, and different riding conditions.

just buy a 450:o

[PulseCharger400]

If you had your heart set on a 400ex or a raptor id definitly say raptor.... no offense to all you exers =p. The two quads actually cannot even compete.. i have riden both and hated the ex but loved the raptor.... i own a 2005 Z400 which has rated over the 400ex or newer version a few times already... the Z and the raptor and pretty much even and differ only in about 4 mph top speed regardless of the engine cc difference... id say eight the Z or the raptor both are good for stock.....

[MR.BIG]

I would stay with 400ex super reliable. They also handle alot better then the raptor. The raptor is faster but with a little work the 400ex could run with it easily.Just my opinion

[spazzy973]

if you are serious in to wanting one buy one off of this site with maybe a little bore to it and a few things then go race a raptor and beat it

[get_up_mark]

many of the 400ex's for sale already have been made into 416cc and some even 440s. i know i dont have any posts right now. thats becuase i dont even own a quad anymore. iv only oned 2 stroke quads (250r's) and i love the way they handle for trail riding and motocross. the 400ex is similar to the 250r in length width and hieght. the raptor is much taller making it better for bigger riders but rolling it may be easier. also the rapter is a six speed. (not so sure about that) and it is liquid cooled. the 400ex is air cooled with an oil cooler and 5 speed trans. these should be concidered also when diciding. i think you should drive both and decide. there is such an unbelievable difference between honda and yamaha bikes i cant stress enough that you ride both.

[quading is fun]

JUST GET A 450R it handles better then the 400ex and might be able to beat the raptor in a drag (not sure though but it's still FAST)

[Iliketogofast]

Id say you should go with the 250R.

[Iliketogofast]

JUST GET A 450R it handles better then the 400ex and might be able to beat the raptor in a drag (not sure though but it's still FAST) Lol a 450R will trash a Raptor... Have you ever ridden one?

[Robin Hood]

Get the new Raptor 700 :D

[quading is fun]

no, i havnt riden one... but ive seen them FLYYY

[400exrider36]

i think the 400ex would be faster on tight trails and track, but the raptor would be faster on straights.(they are tippy) dats what i was thinkin

[quading is fun]

ya ive seen raptors drag and they're down the strip in no-time

[raptor35086]

Raptor...but mabe thats just me cause i grew up with yamaha

[hondajoe05]

OK first go to the dealership and ride both you should get the one you like best and feal more comfortable on


but i'd highly suggest the 400ex or the 450R good name and reliable and i got my 400ex to top out at 69 mph completely stock thats fast enough with some mods you'd be faster if you wanted its a geat jumping bike if you haven't noticed the raptor on the otehr hand is more racy but the 400ex is a decent racer to no doubt about it the raptor does have a-lot of torque better for wheelies than the 400ex maybe jus depends on the rider



remember only honda riders come through on top speed doesn't always matter

[hondajoe05]

lmao the raptor man is willing to trade for a 400ex but he tells you to buy a raptor

[quading is fun]

ahh the irony

get the 400ex u will be way happier. most people that sell ther 400ex to get a rapter wish they never did. only thing the rapter is better at than the 400ex is going n a streight line.

[2004400exa]

ya im with u guys on that id say get a 400 1 they will prob last long and when i raced one all stock except kn i beat it until i hit 4th then he flew past me and th raptor was an 05 and my 400 is an 04 and has a uni air filter thats it

[400expooner]

get a 400. raptor feels way to heavy. its slow. ive raced a few that had a few mods and when my was stock and beat them.

[300ex rider 444]

dude da z is way better my cuzin has one n he burns raptors all da time n its lighter. z is a beast

[440racer66]

go with the 400 ex ive rode both wile tha rapter is faster stock on a strait line the ex will better for ther woods and a 440 kit will make it faster than a stock rapter

[rwhitaker04]

i would defaintly go 400ex....has a great amount of upgrade available and awesome n the woods..heres mine...pre tag t2's and my bumper is off....she gets the job done..

raptors are so hard to ride, just the presence of the quad + you can get better deals on the 400s and isnt 400cc enough power and speed for you i mean 680 ccs of power and torque and all that is a lot for a trail rider....hondas are also more realiable in my opinion;)

[weekendracer91]

400EX......its nothin to it

[jak1389]

400ex all the way, trails you dont need top speed, its mostly rider, but the honda deff helps you with the advantage in the trails. much more comfy and stable. on the track its about even if the riders are even. sand is the only place besides a drage where the rap will dominate the ex.

[BIGRED400]

Hondas handle so much better,mine is for sale if interested.
http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=195870

[Sleeper]

I like my 400ex on trails, it cranks a corner great, climbs about anything and is pretty indestructable. I have no engine mods but you could get pretty good HP gains with a cam, jets, exaust and airbox lid. That's only about $600.00 or so.
I plan to do that some day but for tight trails it does fine as is. plenty of low end.

never ridden a raptor so I can't comment but arond here you can still get a 04 400ex for around $4300.00 new.


Just my opinion.

[300exryder]

If you are doing trails, and you are a bigger person, a Raptor would better suit you. Being narrow is a plus for tight trails, but you can easily widen the Raptor if you so desire. I strictly trail ride my Raptor and can give you a few pointers if you do purchase one.

On the other hand, 400ex's can be had at very very good prices. If money is an issue, go for the 400ex = great, dependable atv with a slew of aftermarket parts at reasonable prices.

[400EXtreme]

def go with the 400ex ive rode many raptors they arent very fun in the trails.

[ym686]

Raptor it's not even a question tons more torque over the 400 plus the key for all woods riding is reverse so it may feel a little more tip happy but i doin't want to have to get off everytime to go the other way when i can just throw it in reverse..

[300ex#5]

no way...go with the 400ex...more reliable...hondas rule!!!

[300exryder]

Originally posted by 300ex#5
no way...go with the 400ex...more reliable...hondas rule!!!

Thank you for the informative and pertinent information...:o

They can both be used for racing and trail riding but i would still prefer a 400ex. Even tho a raptor has reverse. So you decide.

[Sleeper]

Originally posted by ym686
Raptor it's not even a question tons more torque over the 400 plus the key for all woods riding is reverse so it may feel a little more tip happy but i doin't want to have to get off everytime to go the other way when i can just throw it in reverse..

Who needs reverse when god put a hill on the side of the trail just for me;)

I woods ride all the time and hardly ever have to get off my quad to turn around. It could be different in other areas but in the northwest there is almost always a up hill and a down hill side of the trail. I just shoot the nose up the up hill side of the trail and coast backwards. Most of the time when I have to get off it's because I am high centered and reverse don't work for that. It also won't pull you backwards up a muddy hill.

All this being said, it would be nice to have reverse, but it's not a must.

sleeper

[Faster4344]

Sleeper is right i have reverse and it doesnt help you that much. I mean its nice if ur stuck in the snow but reverse does not give you a lot of tracton if ur stuck.

The newer, 05 and 06, 400exs have reverse

[Hondaexboy]

Go with the 400ex
Hondas atvs last soo long, my dad has a 1986 200 that goes in the shop less than the new Yamahas doo

400s rule

[hondabro440]

i would get a 400ex they are good in trails and they are relible. i had a 400ex and then i liked it so much that i had to put the 440 kit in to it. now its a beast it keeps up with my friends 450s

[Quad Boy 660r]

I myself made this decision a few months ago. They both have strong and weak points.
A 400ex is dead reliable. Thats for sure. But so is almost anything when properly maintained.
Raptors have gobs of power. If you ride with a lot of 450s but lack the cash to buy one, 660R all the way.
Also, while the Raptors I have ridden all had aftermarket tires, I really didnt notice too much tippiness. They say tires make all the difference and I believe that. Many do not.
In the woods they are both awsome. MXwise, the 400 edges it out, but a 450 is much better than both.(Something tells me that if you are choosing between a 400ex and Raptor, you don't plan on pure MX).
As you can tell by my name, I chose the Raptoid, and am not regretting it. As a matter of fact, whenever I open her up in a cornfield, I am quite glad I didnt get a 400. Just me.

[400exrider36]

tires dont do crap for me. ive beaten raptors before on my 400ex. im not takin any side, tho i would still take the 400ex. i wonder what he got, he started this thread 02-11-2005

[mustang25]

if it were up to me i would deffinitely choose the 400ex...hondas are always reliable, i have had my 400ex for a couple years now with no major issues...but if you plan to get a raptor, a 700 is a better option, the front wheels tend to stay on the ground more, along with some other much needed changes...

[Racing Rice]

I know this post is as old as dirt, but I have to put in my .02.

I have a Raptor, and my friend has a 400ex (I think it is an '02 or '03.) I will take the Raptor over the 400EX, ANY DAY on the trails.

I switched with him and here are my thoughts..

- The Raptor has tons more torque. Which is great for powering up hills or darting out of corners. It also seems more responsive when you stab the throttle.

- The Raptor's ergos are WAY better. I can ride all day long and never get tired. I rode the 400ex for 30 mins and it wore me out.

- The Raptor's suspension is way more plush. It soaks up the bumps much better, again making it easier to ride all day long.

- The Raptor has reverse. I know, so does the '05+ 400EX. If you want reverse don't bother looking at a pre '05 400EX.

- The 400EX feels more stable. This in stock form. It's nothing that hasn't been said before. The Raptor is more tippy in stock form. It needs widened. Both wheelie easily though the Raptor seems to little more easy.


Both are great machines, that could stand aftermarket improvements. I've now put Fox FLOAT shocks in the front, GeForce spacers in the rear, and I have an Elka rear shock on the way. The Raptor needs help in the suspension department, but once you do it will RIP up some trails with the best of them.

[eldiablo10]

400EX for sure. Honda is such a reliable company in my eyes.

[400EXride]

Honda 400ex all the way. Great handling, great power , good balance and reliable.

I hear this talk about if you are a bigger guy go with the Raptor. I am 6 '2 and weigh 275. My EX is piped and jetted but beyond that it is stock. In my opinion my quad fricken halls a@##. I mean I don't know how this "claimed" additional power for the Raptor would benefit in the woods. I have never had a problem keepin up with anyone in the woods.

Not trying to dog the Raptor just my perspective..............

[300exrider3]

I'd have to say that a 400ex would be the choice for trails but the raptor is the choice for dunes or drag racing. We have a 400ex and it runs awsome. it's an 01 and all we had to change was the rings and a new timing chain. The raptor is more based for a heavier person but if your like me and 140 pounds then a 400ex would be the 4-wheeler for you. I don't really know how dependable a raptor is but a 400ex is a honda and they last forever

[94F450SD]

after riding a 660r raptor today i shouldve bought one instead of the 400EX.only thing i dont like is the way it handles,feels way too top heavy.now to figure out how to get a raptor engine in my 400EX and id have a sweet ride

[Sleeper]

Just put about $500 into the 400ex and you'll be happy 94F450SD;) cheaper to hop up and engine than suspension.

Sleeper

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Sleeper
Just put about $500 into the 400ex and you'll be happy 94F450SD;) cheaper to hop up and engine than suspension.

Sleeper

You hop up a 400ex to get it to Raptor power.:huh $500 won't get you a whole lot of power.

IMO, both need suspension work so what difference does it make? The Rappy responds better to engine mods too.:devil: There is no replacement for displacement.

[Sleeper]

Well $500 wont get you a 660;) but you cn get a power up kit with a slip on, k&n, cam and jet kit.

It's a major improvement. That's all I'm saying.

I'm personaly not in a position to dump $3000.00 or more into my suspension on either quad.

[honda460ex]

400ex... Better handling, and honestly, you don't have to do much to them to beat a raptor. A stock raptor is barely faster than a Z-400, if any really. Ask me how I know and I'll tell ya. I beat a trinity built raptor with my 400ex in a 400foot drag on blacktop.

[250r48]

wat do u guys think is better for mx rappy or ex

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 250r48
wat do u guys think is better for mx rappy or ex

MX.. Definately a 400EX. The rappy can be made competitive, but it take A LOT of work and money to do it. Honestly, for MX though, a 450 is the way to go.

[chpsk8er630]

Both quads are great. The 400 is enough power to have fun on it and take you up anywhere you want to go. The raptor is not tipy at all. I have a 700r and it is a great trail quad. They will both be good quads, it just depends how much money you want to spend on a quad!!!!

[94F450SD]

then something must have been changed on the 700r.i keep trying to ride my buddies 660 and i dont like it at all,way to tippy/top heavy feeling.

i dont care about beating the 660.i just want the low end grunt that that thing has.i now have a uni filter,HMF slip on and jetted carb but its still nowhere near the lowend power that the raptor has.

[The one]

the 660 is so much better it will blow that 400ex out of the water. the 400ex suck anyways. but u should just get a yzf 450 i would rather have that then anything

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94F450SD
then something must have been changed on the 700r.i keep trying to ride my buddies 660 and i dont like it at all,way to tippy/top heavy feeling.

They did. The 700R has a two inch lower seat height and is wider then the 660R was. The 700R uses the same arms that the YFZ450 does.

[94F450SD]

yup that explains it.cuz man is the 660 tippy feeling.i dont like it at all.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94F450SD
yup that explains it.cuz man is the 660 tippy feeling.i dont like it at all.

Bah, its nothing alittle suspension can't fix. I am running a Elka rear shock, Fox fronts and HDUSA +2 arms and spacers in the rear (for now). The frame is 8 inches off of the ground, it is a night a days difference. :)

[SandShark400]

400ex for expreienced riders only

[Iliketogofast]

400EX's are nice trail machines, especially for a beginning rider. If you want something with gobs and gobs of torque, get yourself a Raptor. They are great trail machines too. They don't handle as well as the 400EX, and they aren't as comfortable, either. They are, however, fast and torquey. Think of it like Mario Kart; Mario's kart is well balanced, but Luigi's is fast but doesn't corner or slide as well.

[wrdriskell]

raptors are quicker, im sure thats why alot of people like them but the 400 down in the woods is a lot better.... We tested a raptor in the woods and it was very light up front when climbing hills... also was top heavy around corners..... also reverse is geared way to high.

[Iliketogofast]

Also, a 400EX is going to last you longer than a Raptor. These things are literally bulletproof, idiot-proof, kid-proof, even waterproof.

I would get a 400EX, It's just a better all around bike, even when it comes down to small things like airbox design and getting around the plastic and the bike to work on it.

[Iliketogofast]

Eh... wtf am I saying. Just get a 250R :D

[miller821]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
400EX's are nice trail machines, especially for a beginning rider. If you want something with gobs and gobs of torque, get yourself a Raptor. They are great trail machines too. They don't handle as well as the 400EX, and they aren't as comfortable, either. They are, however, fast and torquey. Think of it like Mario Kart; Mario's kart is well balanced, but Luigi's is fast but doesn't corner or slide as well.
LOL good analogy... But ya hes right, I would take the ex for trails, but raptors are pretty good on trails to.

[iwannaride202]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
400EX's are nice trail machines, especially for a beginning rider. If you want something with gobs and gobs of torque, get yourself a Raptor. They are great trail machines too. They don't handle as well as the 400EX, and they aren't as comfortable, either. They are, however, fast and torquey. Think of it like Mario Kart; Mario's kart is well balanced, but Luigi's is fast but doesn't corner or slide as well.

yea i just wanted to say that was an awesome response and a great analogy.....

ok this is what i think.....if you are going to just trail ride and mess around in a field with buddies i would go with the raptor (this is coming from a 100% honda fan).....i say this because the raptor is just fun....period.....but truthfully it dont handle well and can get a little wheelie happy but for some reason they are just a blast.......but if you are going to race xc or something i would take the 400 which handles way better but this is just my opinion....the best thing to do would be to ride them both......

[colt45]

hey well i would go with a raptor if i were u u want speed and that would be the one that has it don't get 2001 tho cuz they have prob with thembut man deff raptor i have a z 400 and it rips and it is stock!! plus 400 ex r air cooled and kinda out dated !!;)

[schwaby09]

I have an '03 400 and i love it. I almost s#!t myself when i got it for christmas when i was 13. I still have it and havent had to work on it at all besides changing oil, cleaning the air filter, changing spark plugs.............. basic maintenence. And as far as power goes I have a fmf titanium 4 slip on, a kandn airfilter, and its jetted. Just with those modifications i weigh 250 and it goes 75 with a rider around 150-180 i wouldnt doubt if it would top 80 or even higher. So go with a 400 and spend about 500- 1000 on simple engine mods and youll run with most of the quads out there on the trails.

[Villageidiott22]

obviously everyone has there own opinion on what quad is better. im a kfx rider and im not even gonna give my opinion on this thread. but what the one guy said about maintenance is a real plus. you could also base ur opinion on whos gonna give you the better deal. but theres nothing better then bein able to tear down ur quad to get work done fast and easy. simple things that could take a while IE chain adjustment. shock adjustment. air filter access. engine work. we all know its not fun to spend an hour or more f ing around with something that should take 20 min.

[chpsk8er630]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
400EX's are nice trail machines, especially for a beginning rider. If you want something with gobs and gobs of torque, get yourself a Raptor. They are great trail machines too. They don't handle as well as the 400EX, and they aren't as comfortable, either. They are, however, fast and torquey. Think of it like Mario Kart; Mario's kart is well balanced, but Luigi's is fast but doesn't corner or slide as well.

I am sure you have not rode a raptor 700 if oyu are saying they dont corner and slide well. I have never had a problem with mine and it is not tipsy at all. The raptor 700 is a great trail quad.

[trx400EXtreme]

raptors are OK but if you get a 400ex and put an exhaust, k&n, and jet kit you wont be sorry.

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02 400ex red
fmf pipe
jet kit
k&n filter w/ outerwear
ac propeg nerfs
duncan front bumnper
omf air scoops
renthal bars
outerwear shock covers
moose racing clutch and font brake levers
progrip race passion grips
MORE ON THE WAY!!!!!

[trx400EXtreme]

also, if u add a pipe to a raptor it is FAST!!! but still i like the 400

[chpsk8er630]

get whatever you can afford, if you can save up and get the raptor i would go with that cause you will not grow out of it. they are both nice quads.

[colt45]

Originally posted by chpsk8er630
get whatever you can afford, if you can save up and get the raptor i would go with that cause you will not grow out of it. they are both nice quads. man u sure are GAY u know u r GAY!

[jcurry622]

id go with the 400 cause the raptor has alot of power but u cant use it unless ur in the desert or in a wide open field, not to mention everyone says they handle like a refrigerator!

[250r48]

if your gonna get a 660 raptor go with the ex but if your gonna go with the 700 get it, a lot faster better suspension and looks sweet