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EPDP99
02-02-2005, 12:45 PM
What your dream car. Id have to go with the twin turbo saleen s-7. 1000hp in a 2700lb car. top speed is 242mph. spanks the enzo.

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 12:46 PM
side

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 12:47 PM
and the rear

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 12:48 PM
i got to take a tour of the saleen headquarters in california. and man was it sweet. heres an 05 that was in a show. thats my bro sitting in it.

LazeR
02-02-2005, 01:05 PM
The second i saw dream cars i immediately thought of the Saleen S7, that car is so sweet....Only car to ever beat the Shelby Cobra 427, from 0-100-0!!! and it beat it by 2 tenths of a second i think



Where is saleen headquarters ? And how did you get to tour it!!!! ?

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 01:18 PM
lets just say i know some people!!!!! its in irvine california







J/K. we called ahead and went down there to visit. Some ***** behind the counter said there was no showroom and no tours. I was like i called ahead of time. Well we walked around the building and were taking pictures of a 05 through a roll up door and some high up guy came out and asked if we were waiting on someone. we said no, i told him my story. He said"really no tours huh, Ill give you a tour" He walked us through the entire building including the every step of the s-7 plant. Raw material, frames, then body and motor, to paint, finishing. It was truely amazing. I know that isnt anykind of regular tour because all the people who work on the cars were like is it ok for them to be here. the engineers build the cars.....not design them. all have race backgruond. Head motor guy is off of jeff gordons pit crew. the place was maticuless(sp). not a bolt or drop of oil on the floor at all. No tools out, everything is put away right when finished using it. We saw all the 05 s-281 transformations, a brand new gt-40 and 3 s-7's, aniversarry cars, and race cars. all i have to say is WOW WOW WOW!!!!!

quad
02-02-2005, 01:29 PM
^ ^^^^^^^^ :rolleyes:
Gimme a pacer or a horizon anyday!! LOL:p I'll show ya what performance is!!:p :D

Trevor
02-02-2005, 01:49 PM
Toyota SUPRA !!!

tiger250ex
02-02-2005, 01:59 PM
I think the Ferarri Enzo could beat the saleen anyday and my dreamcar is any kind of Porche. Here r all the porches in no porche carrera gt, porche cayenne turbo, porche 911 turbo, porche targa,porche 550 spyder,porche carrera coupe,porche 912. THATS ALL I NO!:D

Cody_300ex
02-02-2005, 02:09 PM
The new Corvette 206 racing version. 500 hp and 475 pounds torque. :cool:

300ex_rider1121
02-02-2005, 02:10 PM
bugatti veyron.....ford rs200evolution

250xridamatt
02-02-2005, 02:40 PM
There was a few saleens out in the parking lot when i went to pebble beach. I was in a hotel with a street view of cannery row (a main street in monterey) And we would just sit in the window sill with our legs hanging out watching cars go by. One drunk guy left the top of his ferrari f350 ( i think) down. Their was bird crap on the inside of it. WHAT A MORON.

kawasaki_ridah
02-02-2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Trevor
Toyota SUPRA !!!


what he said

iceracer65
02-02-2005, 02:54 PM
these older ferrari's just have sex appeal...what do you guys think?

http://www.shorey.net/Auto/Italian/Ferrari/275%20GTB/1966%20Ferrari%20275%20GTB-6c--red-rVl=mx=.jpg

http://www.shorey.net/Auto/Italian/Ferrari/275%20GTB/1966%20Ferrari%20275%20GTB-red-fVr=mx=.jpg

iceracer65
02-02-2005, 03:00 PM
yes they had V12 engines...i can almost hear it whail...

http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/9063/9063Eng2Lr8.jpg

sound byte (http://mcarsweb.com/sons/ferrari_250gto.wav)

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by tiger250ex
I think the Ferarri Enzo could beat the saleen anyday and my dreamcar is any kind of Porche. Here r all the porches in no porche carrera gt, porche cayenne turbo, porche 911 turbo, porche targa,porche 550 spyder,porche carrera coupe,porche 912. THATS ALL I NO!:D

Do a little research and you will see, that this statment is not true. Saleen is a v-8 powered car also. Thats impressive!!!

brian-250
02-02-2005, 03:28 PM
damn, my dream car is in my neighbors back yard, its a mustang i dont rember the year but its got AC and the 351 CLEAVLAND it in, i want it so bad when i was like 7 he pulled it out on the road and smoked the piss out of the tires, never ran since.:(

hondardr4life
02-02-2005, 03:36 PM
2005 corvette Z06 or a pimped out toyota Supra.

Nausty
02-02-2005, 04:04 PM
i'd have to say a big ol lifted 05 chevy 2500hd diesel w/ ext cab, black, kicken system, 4x4.


Definitely.


If i had to pick a sports car, you guys are gonna hate me for this but I love that gt500 off from gone in 60 seconds and I'd want one a lot like that.

Either that or a new corvette or whatever the new caddilac sports car is. I want em' all in black.

Rastus
02-02-2005, 04:08 PM
Shelby GT500 :devious: :macho :devil:


I'm not really picky..., anything fast enough to do something stupid in.

1_fast_300ex
02-02-2005, 04:11 PM
1961 Chevy Impala 409ss

DEAL
02-02-2005, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by tiger250ex
I think the Ferarri Enzo could beat the saleen anyday and my dreamcar is any kind of Porche. Here r all the porches in no porche carrera gt, porche cayenne turbo, porche 911 turbo, porche targa,porche 550 spyder,porche carrera coupe,porche 912. THATS ALL I NO!:D

Ever drive a porsche?

Oh yeah .. my dream cars are probably a skyline, wrx sti , evo , or a legacy gt turbo.

red2004 TRX450R
02-02-2005, 04:21 PM
MY DREAM RIDE SITTING IN MY DRIVE WAY!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/1qazse4/Hq17.jpg
not a good pix of the vet
IT is in know way stock.
Stock sucks!!!!!

red2004 TRX450R
02-02-2005, 04:28 PM
OR a 427 Comp Cobra
http://www.fotosearch.de/bigcomps/corel/COR450/29001.jpg

trick450r
02-02-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by DEAL
Ever drive a porsche?

Oh yeah .. my dream cars are probably a skyline, wrx sti , evo , or a legacy gt turbo.

i've riden in many of them...including the one we own...and the 4 others we had....some of the best driving cars i have ever had the pleasure to ride in....my dad has a sick one though....73' 911 targa E...all decked with 930 suspension, lower...painted bright yellow with the whale tail...thing was so low he couldn't clear a beer can laying sideways....i wish we didnt sell it to buy our house...

Str8Wicked 74
02-02-2005, 05:34 PM
my top 5 favorite cars of all time, in no particular order.

-saleen s7
-67-70 hemi cuda (convertible ~$3mil)
-hemi powered dodge dart (what can i say about this car. it was MADE to dominate the strip. skinny tired out front and monster rears)
-porsche carrera gt (my dads boss drove one a couple weeks ago at some porsche meet. this thing was NUTS)
-mercedes mclaren slr (mclaren-nuff said)

heres a vid that shows the s7. imo, its the nastiest sounding car ever built. too bad the vid sucks


http://66.116.192.167/trailers/s7svtguys.wmv

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 05:56 PM
in agree, you should hear the twin turbos that are the 05 model S7. never heard a turbo car cound that good. American Made Baby!!!!

tiger250ex
02-02-2005, 06:04 PM
a ferrari enzo doesnt go as fast as the saleen!:eek: >>> Saleen S7 0-60 3.3 s , top speed = 223 MPH

Ferarri, Enzo Ferarri 0-60 3.28 s, top speed = 217.5 MPH
but look how can this be???:confused:

the saleen boasts a resiliant large-diplacement V8 that grinds out 550 HP

whereas the enzo has an extremely sophisticated V12 that puts out 660 HP.

Butters
02-02-2005, 06:46 PM
damn you guys have expensive taste. i could go for a sti, evo, or gto. i have a liking for cars with 3 lettered names.

TCracin440ex
02-02-2005, 06:49 PM
oh man a shelby gt 500 supersnake

Quad18star
02-02-2005, 07:06 PM
When the money falls into my lap or grows on trees , I'll have myself a Lamborghini Murcielago sitting in my garage . Come on baby Drop The Top !!!

http://www.lambocars.com/highres/murroad9.jpg
http://www.lambocars.com/highres/murroad.jpg
http://www.lambocars.com/highres/murroad2.jpg

EPDP99
02-02-2005, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by tiger250ex
a ferrari enzo doesnt go as fast as the saleen!:eek: >>> Saleen S7 0-60 3.3 s , top speed = 223 MPH

Ferarri, Enzo Ferarri 0-60 3.28 s, top speed = 217.5 MPH
but look how can this be???:confused:

the saleen boasts a resiliant large-diplacement V8 that grinds out 550 HP

whereas the enzo has an extremely sophisticated V12 that puts out 660 HP.

The old Saleen put out 750HP, the new is over 1000HP.


Saleen S7: 0-60=2.9
Enzo : 0-60=3.3
Saleen 0-100=6.5
Enzo 0-100=6.6

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_performance.htm

TCracin440ex
02-02-2005, 07:22 PM
i love my bowtie no doubt but that shelby gt 500 supersnake is layin 725hp at the ground with a vortech supercharger...the motor itself is 525 hp...plus not only that shes on the bottle as well...but the 725hp comes w/o the bottle....i dont know how much she would lay at the ground on the bottle...but i would shoot my mom for that car

Scott-300ex
02-02-2005, 07:22 PM
well, i got my dream car


mods in my sig

Butters
02-02-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Scott-300ex
well, i got my dream car


mods in my sig


i have no idea why, but i love the way that car looks. i want one now. :eek2:

Chef
02-02-2005, 07:55 PM
Koenigsegg CCR. 830 HP 4.9 Liter DOHC V8...MODULAR FORD BABY.

TCracin440ex
02-02-2005, 08:05 PM
that motor looks like its made mostly of farbon ciber

Chef
02-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Fat tires?

Chef
02-02-2005, 08:11 PM
Some cool ***** doors.

Chef
02-02-2005, 08:17 PM
The back...not much mirror sight.

Chef
02-02-2005, 08:19 PM
And finally, the rest.

Aceman
02-02-2005, 08:23 PM
^^^^COOL AS HELL:cool:

Chanman420q
02-02-2005, 08:24 PM
Id like the new Ford GT, doesnt that car top out at like 215?

But a more practicle dream car would be a 3000GT VR4 Twin Turbo AWD. But it have to be done up.

Doesnt a stock VR4 Run like a 13 Second QuarterMile?

What kind of quarter times do the Enzo, S7, F50, etc running?

Chef
02-02-2005, 08:27 PM
Of course, I wouldnt mind one of these here either...

zlam27
02-02-2005, 08:52 PM
i am quite fond of my 3000GT (sorry chanman, not the VR-4 :( ) yes the VR-4 will run a 13 sec 1/4, might break into the 12s with a great driver. twin turbos + 320hp + exotic styling = nice ride.

i love the look of the new porche carrera GT. im not a big fan of convertibles, but that car in a convertible looks amazing. i also like the ferrari that jesse james has. a 69' camaro is also a favorite.

there are so many cars, its hard to choose. the shelby gt500 is one sweet car also. there are tons of foreign supersports cars that we would all love to have (lambos, mercedes, ferraris, mclarens, aston-martins, etc.) and a few domestics also (new ford GT, corvettes, vipers, saleens, trans-ams, chevelles, camaros, etc.) then you can take any car that you like the looks of, and do it up any way you want it. im a big fan of blown cars (tubos or superchargers).

needless to say, i think i would be thrilled to have any one of them.

Scott-300ex
02-02-2005, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Butters
i have no idea why, but i love the way that car looks. i want one now. :eek2:


lol, thanks man


its soooooo fast too.




:devil:

beerock
02-02-2005, 09:26 PM
hmmm, i love the gt500 man that is one car ill always want in my garage(when i get one)

by the way the MCLAREN is made by bmw not mercedes.(bmw funds it)


THE MERCEDEZ SLR IS SICK TOO

so is the porsche with the gull wing doors(new one)

a bugatti would be sweet too.

IM proud of ford though that NEW GT40 is sick as hell, and id have to say FORD is the only company that actually kills every other manufacturer in the world(even ferrari) thats one reason i have pride in my fords! cant say that about chevy!

Chef
02-02-2005, 09:30 PM
You can't really call it a GT40...its 44 inches tall. Approximately the height of a lightswitch.:eek:

iceracer65
02-02-2005, 09:46 PM
scott 300ex...how fast is it??

my room mate drag races this thing....

http://www.sandbros.net/galleries/albums/userpics/10014/normal_19MVC-005F-med.jpg

http://www.sandbros.net/galleries/albums/userpics/10014/19MVC-040S-med.jpg

MOFO
02-03-2005, 04:41 AM
I'm not very picky.... after driving this car, I said to myself, someday I WILL own one... :devil: Very fun car to drive any time or anywhere.

Porsche 996 Turbo.

sharkinthepool
02-03-2005, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Lil_300Ex_Kid
The new Corvette 206 racing version. 500 hp and 475 pounds torque. :cool:

That would be the Z06 Keith Black Edition, and yeah its sweet, and it flies with the upgraded computer in it! 0-60 is rediculous, 0-100 is about the same not much change, but what is cool at the normal shutdown of a 150, the Keith black edition keeps right on going like you are still going 0-60. My buddy said he had his to 200, but I do not know about that?

FourFiftyFour
02-03-2005, 08:25 AM
Ive always thought the Corvette Callaway C12 Conversions are pretty cool looking...... i'll have to find a pic of one and post it when i find it


but months ago in the parking lot.....i saw my dream vehicle................ LOL JK

sharkinthepool
02-03-2005, 08:31 AM
Its cool, but not as cool as that new avatar of yours,:rolleyes: :blah:

Tommy 17
02-03-2005, 10:14 AM
2006 yellow z06 corvette...


older car 1969 zl1 camaro in tree hugger orange


exotic... saleen s7 or mclearn f1

beerock
02-03-2005, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by CDaleChick
Ive always thought the Corvette Callaway C12 Conversions are pretty cool looking...... i'll have to find a pic of one and post it when i find it


but months ago in the parking lot.....i saw my dream vehicle................ LOL JK

damn thats sweet i wanna do that to my e 350 :p :devil:

300ex_rider1121
02-03-2005, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by beerock

IM proud of ford though that NEW GT40 is sick as hell, and id have to say FORD is the only company that actually kills every other manufacturer in the world(even ferrari) thats one reason i have pride in my fords! cant say that about chevy!

ford could kill anything... they made a little rally car called the rs 200... it was banned from rally racing...not because it was dangerous......not because people were dieing alot...no it was banned because it was to fast...to fast but wat about these cars that do 3.3 seconds 0-60 u think thats fast ahahahaha this thing does 0-60 in 2.1 thats right two point one seconds ...0-140 in 6 seconds if that doesnt matter to u thats faster than a formula one car!!You could probly pull this up beside a suzuki hayabusa (1300) and leave him in the burned rubber smoke!!

http://www.autocollections.com/index.cfm?key=1152&action=details&tab=inventory

Chef those are called kjacknife doors
quad18star that is a lamborghini mucialego roadster and i would love to have one to did u no u have to take down the top after u go 177(i think) because it will blow off
tsracing thats carbon fiber not farbon ciber

:eek2: :eek2:

300ex_rider1121
02-03-2005, 06:19 PM
and and someone also built a rs200 for the pikes peak hillclimb that goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds

Scott-300ex
02-03-2005, 07:43 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by iceracer65
[B]scott 300ex...how fast is it??

my room mate drag races this thing....

thats awsome man, is that a ram charger?
whats she run?

The guy before me had my car at the strip and it runs 13's but it's so fast i think i could get it in the 12s, i step on it 2/3's throttle and it sucks me soooooooooo bad, and im like passed out, my eyes actually shut and all i see is the steering wheel, its so cool, and i was only on it 2/3's. Now whenever i get on it in 1st or 2nd, the backend kicks out from under me and i go sideways cuz the tires spin and its got a posi. Fastest car i've ever ridden in and in this case drive too since its mine. Im not tryin to brag or anything im just sayin. I got on it and my one friend screamed like hell, i thought i was ganna have to clean chit up off of my seats. Im goin to the strip as soon as it opens then i'll post my times, I'll probably be nervous as hell.

Tommy 17
02-03-2005, 08:21 PM
yep fords are awesome... put on ur cruise control and the car catches on fire:o

LT250Racer609
02-03-2005, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Chanman420q
Id like the new Ford GT, doesnt that car top out at like 215?

But a more practicle dream car would be a 3000GT VR4 Twin Turbo AWD. But it have to be done up.

Doesnt a stock VR4 Run like a 13 Second QuarterMile?

What kind of quarter times do the Enzo, S7, F50, etc running?



a stock VR4 doesnt come close to a 13 quarter mile...if your lucky on a good day you will hit mid or low 14's..the 3000GT VR-4 is a 4 cylinder twin turbo thats 4 wheel drive that weighs about 3400 LBS...with only pushin about 240 HP...the 3000GT SL is a 6 cylinder that puts out about 200 HP

Butters
02-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Scott-300ex
lol, thanks man


its soooooo fast too.




:devil:


what year is that??

Scott-300ex
02-03-2005, 09:25 PM
1985, last year for the carberator:D

Chanman420q
02-03-2005, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by LT250Racer609
a stock VR4 doesnt come close to a 13 quarter mile...if your lucky on a good day you will hit mid or low 14's..the 3000GT VR-4 is a 4 cylinder twin turbo thats 4 wheel drive that weighs about 3400 LBS...with only pushin about 240 HP...the 3000GT SL is a 6 cylinder that puts out about 200 HP

Andrew your such a tool. stop acting like you know what your talking about. No matter what version 3000gt you have its a 6 cylinder. and they dont have 4 wheel drive. its called all wheel drive. maybe you've heard about it.

http://www.thecarsource.com/mitsu/94gt.html read that site when you pull your head out of your ***

user101
02-04-2005, 12:02 AM
did anyone see the 65' mustang with the 03' cobra motor and alll updated suspension in HOT ROD. that would be a cool car to have

or

my real dream car would be a 72 black dodge dart 340 4-speed.

stace609
02-04-2005, 12:10 AM
classic performance: 71 RoadRunner
new performance: Supra
daily: 300
truck: Rumble Bee

iceracer65
02-04-2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Scott-300ex
[QUOTE]Originally posted by iceracer65
[B]scott 300ex...how fast is it??

my room mate drag races this thing....

thats awsome man, is that a ram charger?
whats she run?

The guy before me had my car at the strip and it runs 13's but it's so fast i think i could get it in the 12s, i step on it 2/3's throttle and it sucks me soooooooooo bad, and im like passed out, my eyes actually shut and all i see is the steering wheel, its so cool, and i was only on it 2/3's. Now whenever i get on it in 1st or 2nd, the backend kicks out from under me and i go sideways cuz the tires spin and its got a posi. Fastest car i've ever ridden in and in this case drive too since its mine. Im not tryin to brag or anything im just sayin. I got on it and my one friend screamed like hell, i thought i was ganna have to clean chit up off of my seats. Im goin to the strip as soon as it opens then i'll post my times, I'll probably be nervous as hell.

low 11's.,..very fast for a fordoor...hehe ill even scan time slips.

lets see a rice rocket do that;)

LT250Racer609
02-04-2005, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by Chanman420q
Andrew your such a tool. stop acting like you know what your talking about. No matter what version 3000gt you have its a 6 cylinder. and they dont have 4 wheel drive. its called all wheel drive. maybe you've heard about it.

http://www.thecarsource.com/mitsu/94gt.html read that site when you pull your head out of your ***




and im tired of you trying to always act like a tough guy...im just goin from what i have been told considering i test drove them cause i was gonna get one...and when you stop bein a ***** maybe you will grow some balls and fight me if you think ur mr tough guy....***got

meangreen400ex
02-04-2005, 05:33 AM
Heres mine. The first is Lance Armstrongs GTO and the second is a the H3

meangreen400ex
02-04-2005, 05:34 AM
H3

EPDP99
02-04-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by meangreen400ex
H3

You mean a chevy tahoe with a different body!!!!

300ex_rider1121
02-04-2005, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by iceracer65
low 11's.,..very fast for a fordoor...hehe ill even scan time slips.

lets see a rice rocket do that;)

well i think its either the hayabusa (1300) or the zx 12 r or the zx10 r thats breaks the nines or the tens

insaneracin2003
02-04-2005, 12:53 PM
i would love to find a rebuildable 72 Trans-Am.that would be my dream car to build

zlam27
02-04-2005, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by LT250Racer609
a stock VR4 doesnt come close to a 13 quarter mile...if your lucky on a good day you will hit mid or low 14's..the 3000GT VR-4 is a 4 cylinder twin turbo thats 4 wheel drive that weighs about 3400 LBS...with only pushin about 240 HP...the 3000GT SL is a 6 cylinder that puts out about 200 HP

i wish people would at least get their facts straight before they post...

the VR-4 is pushing 320hp from a 3.0 V6. the first gens had 300hp because they were running less boost. the SL is a GT with all the bells and whistles but no turbos basically. the SL and the base 3000GT both run 225hp from the same 3.0 V6 (and if you think im wrong, i own one - and check 3si.org for more info). they are a touch on the heavy side, but the VR-4 will run with about any car on the road today, especially from a roll.

please people, at least post factual information....

zach

Chanman420q
02-04-2005, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by zlam27
i wish people would at least get their facts straight before they post...

the VR-4 is pushing 320hp from a 3.0 V6. the first gens had 300hp because they were running less boost. the SL is a GT with all the bells and whistles but no turbos basically. the SL and the base 3000GT both run 225hp from the same 3.0 V6 (and if you think im wrong, i own one - and check 3si.org for more info). they are a touch on the heavy side, but the VR-4 will run with about any car on the road today, especially from a roll.

please people, at least post factual information....

zach


Originally posted by LT250Racer609
and im tired of you trying to always act like a tough guy...im just goin from what i have been told considering i test drove them cause i was gonna get one...and when you stop bein a ***** maybe you will grow some balls and fight me if you think ur mr tough guy....***got

if u didnt always try and call me out we wouldnt have a problem.;)

dont get mad cuz i proved you wrong. i know my **** i dont try an act like i know what im talking about when i dont. :scary:

Chef
02-04-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Tommy 17
yep fords are awesome... put on ur cruise control and the car catches on fire:o

What the heck does that apply to? We own 6 fords and not one of them has caught on fire yet...:confused:

MOFO
02-05-2005, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by zlam27


please people, at least post factual information....

zach



ok...

they were over weight, bloated cars that were plagued with problems. For what they COST, their PERFORMANCE NUMBERS dont even come close to being a desirable car.

I still laugh at people that drool over these cars...and before you give me the "have you ever driven one" crap....YES....I almost bought one awhile back. After driving it, I quickly returned the keys and moved on.

MOFO
02-05-2005, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Chef
What the heck does that apply to? We own 6 fords and not one of them has caught on fire yet...:confused:


He is referring to their very large recall.

02-05-2005, 09:49 AM
scott-300ex dude you needa get rid of those goofy headlights...I have a set from my 89 mustang that i will sell cheap! make a offer over like 25 bcusk and there yours! come with lights to

zlam27
02-05-2005, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by MOFO
ok...

they were over weight, bloated cars that were plagued with problems. For what they COST, their PERFORMANCE NUMBERS dont even come close to being a desirable car.

I still laugh at people that drool over these cars...and before you give me the "have you ever driven one" crap....YES....I almost bought one awhile back. After driving it, I quickly returned the keys and moved on.

first of all... chanman, im on your side (i think you figured that out though).

next, im not trying to start anything with anyone, but arguing over misinterpreted or false information is just a waste of board space.

and lastly, i think i said FACTUAL information, what you posted is strictly your opinion. this thread is based solely on people's opinions, but when you try to throw in facts at least make sure they are accurate.

zach