Supreme Court Wha do ya think?

[Johnny & Monica]

The supreme court has decided that if you get pulled over for speeding or any ordinary traffic stop thats enough for the cops to bring a dog and search around your vehicle with no probable cause. I think it's crap. Then our local county officers have decided they're just going to start walking around neighborhoods coming up to your front door and shaking it to check for security then leave you a note about how you can make your house safer. I think if they come to my door they better knock first before shaking my door open and let me know what's going on so they don't meet a ball bat to the head.

[Tantal]

Police State here we have been coming...

Constitutional rights? Rights? What rights? You have NO rights!

[bansheeguy77]

might i ask why its so offensive? if you have nothing to hide you have no problems. the only people who seem to care about getting pulled over and searched are druggies, or drunks or people who are breaking the law anyway. so i think its a great law. i will gladly sacrafise 10, 20 minutes or however long it takes to do the search if it gets 1 drug dealer busted. because thats less crime for us, less wasted lives for people, less wasted of our tax dollars becuse these people will then go to either rehab or jail and have us hard working citizens pay for them. so now what are you hiding?

[Dannys400ex]

AMEN

[i30nes]

Have you ever been car searched before? Yea its a decent idea but not all at the same time. Since that time frame they use for searching your vehicle they can use for something of a greater cause. Also round here if they do search your car. They can pull it apart as they wish. Completely trash the inside and if nothing comes up they just carry on as you are now left with a mess to clean up and put back together.

[Johnny & Monica]

It's just opening the door for them to do whatever they want! Pretty soon you'll be walking down the street only to be met by a cop with a dog and they'll want to sniff you. I think it'll lead to more profiling than catching any real offenders. What if your on your way to work and they decide they want to have a dog but they don't have one available are they going to make you sit and wait 20 minutes 30 minutes it'll be never ending.

[I-7]

I see where your coming from saying its not bad if you have nothing to hide but sure, what ever happened to privacy?


http://www.soulpacific.com/images/warner-brother.jpg

[Johnny & Monica]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
might i ask why its so offensive? if you have nothing to hide you have no problems. the only people who seem to care about getting pulled over and searched are druggies, or drunks or people who are breaking the law anyway. so i think its a great law. i will gladly sacrafise 10, 20 minutes or however long it takes to do the search if it gets 1 drug dealer busted. because thats less crime for us, less wasted lives for people, less wasted of our tax dollars becuse these people will then go to either rehab or jail and have us hard working citizens pay for them. so now what are you hiding?

Not hiding anything, it's offensive because most of these are going to add up to little measly busts. They're gonna bust someone with a couple joints throw them in jail while they guy down the street who rapes someones kid is gonna get probation because the jail is full of a bunch of pot heads.

[Tantal]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
might i ask why its so offensive? if you have nothing to hide you have no problems. the only people who seem to care about getting pulled over and searched are druggies, or drunks or people who are breaking the law anyway. so i think its a great law. i will gladly sacrafise 10, 20 minutes or however long it takes to do the search if it gets 1 drug dealer busted. because thats less crime for us, less wasted lives for people, less wasted of our tax dollars becuse these people will then go to either rehab or jail and have us hard working citizens pay for them. so now what are you hiding?

So, basically, what you're saying is that you have no problem w/ the current police state activities and our constitutional rights being stripped away from us one by one?

[Thump_It]

I think somebody is a little paranoid..........

[Johnny & Monica]

It`s going to be a big pain in the azzz paranoid No just dont like the harrserment next the wont need search warrants to search your home....What would I do if they found all my porn:eek:

Its a terrible idea. The more rights you give away, the more they will take. Id rather have a terrorist bombing every now and then than give up my Constitutional rights.

[Thump_It]

Oh, and say one of these bombings blows away your closest family memeber or whatever? Yeah I'd bet you'd like that. The American People as a whole out number all Law Enforcement. If things got really bad (they won't) the People would step up against them leading to upheavels and other BS like that. If you are so worried about things goin to hell you can live in that state of paranoia. Have fun with that. Take it easy......oh and hide that porn, haha.

[hondarider2006]

I think its a crock of ****. Take a look at the 4th amendment:o

[Johnny & Monica]

JUST STATING A OPINION , NOT PARIONOID JUST DONT LIKE GIVING AWAY MY RIGTHS I`m 40 years old an seen alot of changes in the laws since I grew up . They need to focus more on the damn child molesters an rapest They get probation an walk away Some one has a small about of pot an is screwed . But they do need to really crack down on all the crack , meth ,ice an such because its home wreckers an turns people in to thefts to support thier habits.Thats where all are stolen quads are going (in some crack heads pipe):mad: So theres alot of pros an cons to it all Just looking for opinions Starting a topic not a war..

[Tantal]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
— Benjamin Franklin

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by Tantal
So, basically, what you're saying is that you have no problem w/ the current police state activities and our constitutional rights being stripped away from us one by one?

that is what im saying. i could careless if they want to search me, going to work or not. its their job to provide safety and protection to all citizens. if they feel i could be doing something illegal they can search me all the want.


Not hiding anything, it's offensive because most of these are going to add up to little measly busts. They're gonna bust someone with a couple joints throw them in jail while they guy down the street who rapes someones kid is gonna get probation because the jail is full of a bunch of pot heads.

a couple of joints wont get you thrown in jail. you might get a few days to a month max. first offense for a few joints of course. which is good they should do that. people are too damn spoiled with the way it is here. what if you would say steal from a market in pakastan? or india? ur hand gets cut off FIRST OFFENSE. just with many other things, but yet us americans can complain til we are blue in the face no matter what.
if you happen to read the paper or watch the news there are a decent amount of deaths and or accidents because of drugs. drugs like marijuana, cocaine or anything else. now im not going saying pot is the devil and it will ruin your life. some seem to enjoy it and its legal in canada so who knows? i have never done any drugs or even smoked a cigarette in my life. that might be why im so strict in my mindset on this topic. driving while high is basically the same thing as driving drunk. so if this is so illegal then dui's should be legal?

[Tantal]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
that is what im saying. i could careless if they want to search me, going to work or not. its their job to provide safety and protection to all citizens. if they feel i could be doing something illegal they can search me all the want.

Well, that's all fine and dandy. However, I don't want my constitutional rights violated. If you don't care about your rights - that's your business.

If you don't like this country then maybe you should try Europe.

The only people this **** will effect (as always) are law abiding citizens - maybe they will score an occasional small pot bust or DUI.




Originally posted by bansheeguy77
a couple of joints wont get you thrown in jail. you might get a few days to a month max. first offense for a few joints of course. which is good they should do that. people are too damn spoiled with the way it is here. what if you would say steal from a market in pakastan? or india? ur hand gets cut off FIRST OFFENSE. just with many other things, but yet us americans can complain til we are blue in the face no matter what.
if you happen to read the paper or watch the news there are a decent amount of deaths and or accidents because of drugs. drugs like marijuana, cocaine or anything else. now im not going saying pot is the devil and it will ruin your life. some seem to enjoy it and its legal in canada so who knows? i have never done any drugs or even smoked a cigarette in my life. that might be why im so strict in my mindset on this topic. driving while high is basically the same thing as driving drunk. so if this is so illegal then dui's should be legal?

Wow, you're clueless...
To keep it short, this ain't Pakistan or India, this is America, if you don't like it then leave. ****, I'll even ante up and contribute to your exiting funds.

[BlackYFZ450LES]

BANSHEE, "i will gladly sacrafise" FIRST OFF IT'S "SACRIFICE"
AND PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICE FREEDOMS ARE TREASONOUS SHEEP


you ****ing ***** about freedom basically? have you ever been to pakistan???? no, and you would ****ing hate it because IT BLOWS, and you say americans can "complain"

YEAH CAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN

GO BACK TO 6th GRADE HISTORY CLASS SONNY BOY
THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON WHAT YOU CALL "complaining"
ITS CALLED STANDING UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS, AND ILL BE DAMN SURE TO DO SO.


THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY APE, GET IT???????

YOU "COMPLAIN" IN AN ARAB COUNTRY YOU'RE LIKELY TO GET OFFED

were just supposed to be happy as MORE rights are stripped away because arab countries are ****ing dictatorships?


BUTTHEEBOY, YOU ARE A SHEEP WITH BLINDERS ON, LIKE TANTAL SAID, MOVE TO ****ING FRANCE IF YOU WANT NO FREEDOM

[MSL]

People in this country better wake up! The government is using fear of terror to justify taking our rights away! It starts small like car searches and goes from there. Once you start giving your rights away it makes it easier for the government to take more from you. Thier are people out there that are trying to destroy the U.S.A internally. Many people have died to defend the constitution so that we as americans can enjoy the freedoms that we have. WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT RUNNING OUR LIVES!

Anyone that is so willing to give up our freedoms need to leave this country.

[n00b on a 400ex]

i know i wouldnt want a cop trashing my car for 20 minutes then leaving it...

[300exOH]

I wouldn't mind them searching my car except that they tear everything apart and expect you to put it back together afterwards. :grr: All the police in my area spend more time in the local convenience store or gas station than they do policing the town. One local officer sits in his own driveway and takes radar but never offers my neighborhood that level of protection.:huh

[I-7]

Originally posted by MSL
People in this country better wake up! The government is using fear of terror to justify taking our rights away! It starts small like car searches and goes from there. Once you start giving your rights away it makes it easier for the government to take more from you. Thier are people out there that are trying to destroy the U.S.A internally. Many people have died to defend the constitution so that we as americans can enjoy the freedoms that we have. WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT RUNNING OUR LIVES!

Anyone that is so willing to give up our freedoms need to leave this country.


I have to agree with MSL on this one. Its going to start with something small like this and eventually lead to something bigger. We were all taught that the United States was the place everyone wanted to come to... heres the 4th amendment written by the people who fought so hard to give us what we have today:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

These rights are slowly fading away and I believe that the government is all for it. Their making money confiscating illegal substances and throwing us in jail for little things. Im not in anyway some anarchist or something I just think we need to stay true to what our founding fathers worked so hard for before this country starts to slowly deteriorate. No flame please :chinese: :bandit:

[Woodsrider]

Bansheeboy, you are about as sharp as a marble if you really think its about public saftey. Its about control of the people. Its about revocation of your constitutional rights, rights that I(and many others), risked my life to defend!If you dont like the way things are here, maybe you should take a tour of some other countries, where they dont have the freedoms we do.
You need to wake up and get a clue boy, Freedom has never been free. It comes at a price.
FDR said it best, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!"
The fear of another terrorist attack has people giving up there constitutional rights, and cowering like a beat dog.
Next your going to tell us that you think we should surrender our fire arms to the nearest federal agent, and stand in line to be fingerprinted and barcoded.

[Samson]

Originally posted by Tantal
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
— Benjamin Franklin



Ol Ben was a wise man! :)

This is only more power for the police to abuse. They already set themselves above the general public.

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by BlackYFZ450LES
BANSHEE, "i will gladly sacrafise" FIRST OFF IT'S "SACRIFICE"
AND PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICE FREEDOMS ARE TREASONOUS SHEEP


you ****ing ***** about freedom basically? have you ever been to pakistan???? no, and you would ****ing hate it because IT BLOWS, and you say americans can "complain"

YEAH CAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN

GO BACK TO 6th GRADE HISTORY CLASS SONNY BOY
THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON WHAT YOU CALL "complaining"
ITS CALLED STANDING UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS, AND ILL BE DAMN SURE TO DO SO.


THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY APE, GET IT???????

YOU "COMPLAIN" IN AN ARAB COUNTRY YOU'RE LIKELY TO GET OFFED

were just supposed to be happy as MORE rights are stripped away because arab countries are ****ing dictatorships?


BUTTHEEBOY, YOU ARE A SHEEP WITH BLINDERS ON, LIKE TANTAL SAID, MOVE TO ****ING FRANCE IF YOU WANT NO FREEDOM

lmao this is gonna be fun. dont worry children, i will reply to each of your pointless replies one by one. i wont skip it :)

first off, god forbid i mispell one word last night when i had 2 hrs of sleep in 48 hrs. i truley apologize. second, no need to curse and use ***'s that makes you look stupid and your not getting your point across.
now, kid i know more about history than you think you do and i know what freedom is and what it was founded on and all that good stuff. tell me this...where is your complaining getting you? not a damn place thats where. this is a free country im not even debating that but what your trying to say is breaking the law consists of freedom. so if i go kill my neighbor i have the right to do so and the cops cant arrest me becuase damn it im free and live in a free country? you have all the freedom and rights in the world but there are still rules. remember like mommy and daddy made you go to bed at 8 last night. yeah you would get a spanking if you didnt. its breaking the rules and not acceptable. just like im sure your mother and father didnt need a search warrent to come in your room and find you smoking pot. its their house. just like this country is run by the government. not everybody is going to like what they do.
and yes i know in many other countries you would get ur *** kicked for doing alot of what we here do. but god forbid if a cop who smells pot can search my car thats off limits.
and trying to personally attack me will get your point across? no it does not it makes you look immature and like a child. just the way you are speaking to me. we are having an adult discussion so act like it.
lastly, im not the one complaining about my freedom and rights. YOU GUYS ARE. im more than happy with the freedom i have, and if god forbid a cop suspects im doing illegal things then he can do his job and search me. you think every person they pull over they will just be like well i dont think he looks normal search him. no they wont. i know and have hung out with more cops than you ever will know. yeah i went out on patrol with them as well. so i do know what its like. get a clue before you speak out of your ***

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by Tantal
Well, that's all fine and dandy. However, I don't want my constitutional rights violated. If you don't care about your rights - that's your business.

If you don't like this country then maybe you should try Europe.

The only people this **** will effect (as always) are law abiding citizens - maybe they will score an occasional small pot bust or DUI.





Wow, you're clueless...
To keep it short, this ain't Pakistan or India, this is America, if you don't like it then leave. ****, I'll even ante up and contribute to your exiting funds.

i do care about my rights, but i dont feel this is an issue of rights. its an issue of breaking the law. i love my country and everyone in it has fought for our country. so you are mistaken child. why dont you try europe? im sure the cops wont search your car when ur doing drugs there. or better yet go to canada where its legal! then you can do all the drugs you want with the police?
you really think a middle aged business man who gets pulled over for speeding is going to be searched? or a kid who is speeding? no...if they act stupid, or have other signs of drug use they have every right to search them. just like with a dui, you smell alcohol or they have signs of drinking you give them a sobriety test. so how is that ok but drugs is off limits?
you should save your money for your own exiting funds, because i am not a hippie *****ing because cops are going to now bust you for endangering lives in cars or transporting illegal items....

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by Woodsrider
Bansheeboy, you are about as sharp as a marble if you really think its about public saftey. Its about control of the people. Its about revocation of your constitutional rights, rights that I(and many others), risked my life to defend!If you dont like the way things are here, maybe you should take a tour of some other countries, where they dont have the freedoms we do.
You need to wake up and get a clue boy, Freedom has never been free. It comes at a price.
FDR said it best, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!"
The fear of another terrorist attack has people giving up there constitutional rights, and cowering like a beat dog.
Next your going to tell us that you think we should surrender our fire arms to the nearest federal agent, and stand in line to be fingerprinted and barcoded.

some marbles can me sharp :) i think you are a bit paranoid bud. many of my family members as well have risked their lives for freedom too. i do not feel this is an issue of "freedom" but more of druggies and potheads complaining because they cant transport or do it in their car. thats all i feel the need to reply to your post about. the rest is babling garbage

[zephead400ex]

That is bullsh*t! Period!

I'm not going to start debating this, basically because there is nothing to debate. This is an infringement on MY, YOUR, and EVERYONES rights in the USA! Our "Justice" System blows.

[EPDP99]

that away zep. PEOPLE seem to think this is temporary. Do you actually think they give these rights back and back off....NO. they will become more and more power hungry and they just keep plugging away taking our rights away.

[Mxjunkie]

well now they have a easy way to bust people, more money to them *******s. the us sucks now, its frickin populated like hell with devopments and full of "new" immagrants etc. in the 50's,60's etc you could get away with speeding and such and actually run and not get caught, there wasnt any traffic or anything. nowadays you go over the speedlimit a little the cops slam you. NOW they can ****ing invade your privacy for no reason? what the hell is up with that! this is total bullchit and i dont care who doesnt agree, they search your car, tear it all up and leave you a car to put back togather! how about we search all the dirty cops that dont give the drugs back! our legal system is **** they totally put our freedom of speech to hell. I wouldn't be surprised if they took that away from us. :rolleyes:

[sfalumberjack98]

Just so everyone knows....we police have been able to call for a dog for many years to check the area around your vehicle. The only catch is that is has to be a reasonable time......and there is no definition of what that is. I think 15 minutes is reasonable. Someone just decided to fight the legality of the search....and the Court basically said the police could do what they were doing all along. I have never called for a dog. I haven't ever had anyone refuse to let me search their car if I wanted. Most people will let you search their car, even if there is something in there. Im guessing this search is more often used on drug routes and interstates, no so much on you while you are traveling to the store.

[Chef]

All I can say is if they think they are going to tear the interior out of my Mach only to find nothing, they have another thing coming to em.

[popo]

Oh no! another cop basing thread. Remember we do not make the laws, the people you voted for do. We are sworn to up hold them.

If I smell weed coming from your car, I have every reason to believe and cause to bring a dog to search you car. Do I care if you have it for personel use... No it's your life. Some departments or officers may be different

The best thing experiece what we go thru and do a ride along with your local Police Department...Even if you don't like us.

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
i have never done any drugs or even smoked a cigarette in my life. that might be why im so strict in my mindset on this topic.
Or that may be because your 11 !

Popo, i know alot of cool cops and alot of ******* cops. This law wont affect the cool cops, theyll just stick to their morals. But the ******* cops will use this to screw people over like searching teenagers cars for weed without probable cause.

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
might i ask why its so offensive? if you have nothing to hide you have no problems. the only people who seem to care about getting pulled over and searched are druggies, or drunks or people who are breaking the law anyway. so i think its a great law. i will gladly sacrafise 10, 20 minutes or however long it takes to do the search if it gets 1 drug dealer busted. because thats less crime for us, less wasted lives for people, less wasted of our tax dollars becuse these people will then go to either rehab or jail and have us hard working citizens pay for them. so now what are you hiding?


Very well said:)

[WEEZIL]

I think its bullcrap because we all know how some cops can be... As in, Totall @$$ holes. So what if someone has a joint in thier car. IF they are high. Yeah bust them, But it was said earlier. The jails will get clogged up by a bunch of recreational pot smokers. And then we have the real retards on our streets.

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by Atkins450
Or that may be because your 11 !

Popo, i know alot of cool cops and alot of ******* cops. This law wont affect the cool cops, theyll just stick to their morals. But the ******* cops will use this to screw people over like searching teenagers cars for weed without probable cause.

thanks popo its about time. i was waiting for some backup :)

and atkins do you know the first thing about me? didnt think so. im 19, grew up in a very strict house, my parents smoked, family smoked. aunt smoked still does smoke 3 packs a day. very disgusting and she has a deeper voice than i. i knew it was no good for you so i stayed away. just with drugs. my future plans are to become a police officer or join the special forces so i wanted to stay as clean as possible. also i was heavy into lifting/body building. so that screws it up. if you would like more you can purchase my book for 19.95 :)

[JTRtrx250r]

Sounds like full-on BS to me, I wouldnt care wtf their excuse was...unless they got probable cause...they can get F'D!

I could be bangin' my ol lady on the living room floor...thats MY biz,or peelin my carrot...thats MY biz,

its just those up-tight nosy ppl that want to look in your *** and this is just the beginning of it...that scare me

You aint got NO biz walking up and opening my door, WTF if I walked up to their door and opened it..., your little badge sure as hell dont justify if for me, granted all cops aren't bad...but the few sicko's they DO hire are gonna love that.

Im not cop bashin'...I know a few and have relatives in the judicial system, but everytime they find some sicko cop on the force..."its just an embarrassment to our dept, Ive known him for 20 yrs...would never have expected this from him " speach we get to hear, and then they wonder why ppl are the way towards cops they are:rolleyes:Cops make you feel guilty and like your a criminal.. untill they find NOTHING!


Whats that gun shooting Pappy think about this?

[Quad18star]

Here in Ontario Canada , cops have the right to search your car if they suspect anything illegal is in it ( drugs , stolen goods , etc) . I've seen the mess they can do to the interior of a car while "trying" to find stuff . When you're stuck at the border with your seats sitting outside of your car ... ripped to hell ... headliner torn out ... dash taken apart ... rugs torn out and laying on the ground ... and they find nothing , you'll be pretty pissed . This happened to my uncle .

Now if they would be allowed to walk into my home without reasonable cause .... that's taking this to a whole other level . Your home is private anymore , once someone invades your privacy . You could be having a family dinner or playing with your kids or screwing your wife . That just ain't right . The rights of people are being infringed upon . Democracy or Dictatorship ?? Makes you wonder sometimes !!!

[JTRtrx250r]

well I can somewhat understand if its a vehical and they have suspsicion, that chits been for yrs, tearing up your car tho...EFFF THAT, they better pay for and fix everything, or I think I might have to give em a reason, "sorry sir" sure as hell wouldnt cut it, it'd be revenge time cops or not:D

[Honda4trax250x]

Ya know what I say? Screw probable cause. If you have something illegal, tough sh*t. If you commit a crime, you pay for it, no matter if your "constitution" gives you rights.


A year ago, a security guard at my school searched a kids car that was parked in the lot and found a large amount of mary jane. Upon his arrest, he lost a large scholarship for lacrosse. Everyone in the school felt bad for him because he lost his scholarship. Know what I say. Good. Even if the drugs were found unjustly, he was still breaking the law. Thats what you get.

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Honda4trax250x
Ya know what I say? Screw probable cause. If you have something illegal, tough sh*t. If you commit a crime, you pay for it, no matter if your "constitution" gives you rights.


A year ago, a security guard at my school searched a kids car that was parked in the lot and found a large amount of mary jane. Upon his arrest, he lost a large scholarship for lacrosse. Everyone in the school felt bad for him because he lost his scholarship. Know what I say. Good. Even if the drugs were found unjustly, he was still breaking the law. Thats what you get. would you feel the same if YOUR buddy stashed his hooch (wether you knew or not)under the back seat of YOUR car and it was found???????????

[Honda4trax250x]

Yes I would. I would never let a friend do that, nor would I even befriend someone that constantly has it on them.

And if I didnt know. Too bad. Sh*t Happens. Shouldnt have trusted my friend.


I think thats the difference b/w me and other people. I trust my friends.





As evryone is always told reguarding this subject, know yourfriends well before they get in your car.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by BlackYFZ450LES
BUTTHEEBOY, YOU ARE A SHEEP WITH BLINDERS ON, LIKE TANTAL SAID, MOVE TO ****ING FRANCE IF YOU WANT NO FREEDOM

you sounded smart at first, and then this comment made me laugh. Have you ever been to france? or any part of the modern europe? Even if things are a little diff people are still happy. Even though i agree with some of the things u said it was all pretty much null and voided in my mind.

[Ralph]

Lol, i know 2 kids who got pulled over a little while ago for not having their lights on wich was a pretty gay reason in the first place since it was just turning dark and they were pulling out of the parking lot. Anyways they get pulled over. And the cop says that he sees weed on the floor and says he is going to need to search the car. There was regular grass on the floormat cause they took a walk with some of their friends at a lake a little before. Anyways, so the cop searches the car and they get busted for some shrooms that the kids had.

Now looking at that situation. Why do we even have the bill of rights. I agree a 100% that they should of gotten in troubl e for the shrooms but the reason for search is complete bull****. Yes they were going to eat them but they werent going to harm anyone. dont think i think it is ok either so dont think im a hippy druggy now either lol.

So what is the point of my story, i dont even know, but the bill of rights should have protected them from being searched in the first place. There was no probable cause in the first place to get searched. oh yeah he never got a ticket or anything for not having his lights on or anything either.

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Honda4trax250x
Yes I would. I would never let a friend do that, nor would I even befriend someone that constantly has it on them.

And if I didnt know. Too bad. Sh*t Happens. Shouldnt have trusted my friend.


I think thats the difference b/w me and other people. I trust my friends.





As evryone is always told reguarding this subject, know yourfriends well before they get in your car. good point, was just curious so I had to ask,

That did happen to a buddy of mine, he didnt smoke but another of his buddys did, when the cops found it, my buddy waited for his buddy to fess up...well he didnt and it went on my pals record b/c he was the owner of the car.

My uncle bought an old ford car and got pulled over b/c of a tail light, the cops just used that for an excuse to pull him over b/c they knew the car, turns out it was a meth freak my uncle bought it from. Well they found a couple little bags w/ residue and cut straws and arrested my uncle anyway. If it wouldnt have been for the Sherrif actually listening to my uncle...it'd be on his record and he would have most likely done time for it, worst thing that dude ever did was cuss, but he'da gone down for it:rolleyes:

I just think some laws are even dumber than most:rolleyes:

[SRH]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
might i ask why its so offensive? if you have nothing to hide you have no problems. the only people who seem to care about getting pulled over and searched are druggies, or drunks or people who are breaking the law anyway. so i think its a great law. i will gladly sacrafise 10, 20 minutes or however long it takes to do the search if it gets 1 drug dealer busted. because thats less crime for us, less wasted lives for people, less wasted of our tax dollars becuse these people will then go to either rehab or jail and have us hard working citizens pay for them. so now what are you hiding?

i wont, people are going to do drugs for ever and there going to get them forever, the war on drugs is a waste of time and money, more money is waste on that than anything if i get pulled over and i need to be soemwhere ill be pissed if they keep me there for 20 minutes, most cops are a good judge of character so they know who should have there car checked out , dare and all that crap is a waste of time, all you need to do is in every school do some anti drug education in health class because if a kids gonna do drugs he will if hes not gonan he wont its not gonan matter if dare blows 40000 on some chevy avalanch with a paint job and 26 inch spinners...like thats gonna keep anyone off drugs, let the kids spend a night in jail if they wanna sell drugs, if that doesnt straighten them out there a lost cause and they need to learn for themselves, the whole world spends too much time dragging worthless burnt out druggies around ...whats the person gonan do if he turns his life around ? pack groceries ? you either hit rock bottom and make something of yourself or you live your whole life burnt out living in a slum somewhere and eventually die, pots not a drug , i personally dont drink or smoke or anything, doesnt appeal to me im focused haha, but some people get so stressed out with there daily lives they need a little relaxation and if they wanna enjoy one of gods gifts what the big deal, thats like outlawing maple trees ...i dont understand some kids, they tell you ok, you use ecstacy occasionally after awhile it can burn a hole in your brain the size of a dime...oh yeah man hook me up with that:huh ...

if the kid had a large amount of pot so what...whats that hurting? nothing at all...even if he sold it hes not hurting anyone, the law isnt always just and thats terrible he lost his scholarship for that, meanwhile the security guard, the dean of the college are all toking like mad man but you never see that or hear about it...i never realized or saw how widespread drug use and marijuana use was until i grew up a lil and started seeing all this stuff all the time

i wouldnt really bash a cop for the arrests and stuff like popo said its there job, and if your not some punk or burnout and they find a joint sometimes theyll throw it out and warn you or theyll ticket you...thats justa chance you have to take if your gonan use that stuff


i know a kid who had a bucnh of pot on him and the cop had him in the car while he was searching the kids car and he shoved his stash down in the cops seat, he never heard anything back...the cop probaly found it and took it home and smoked it...seriously...and if your mom and dad says oh we tried that stuff...there still smoking it...once a toker always a toker

anyway ive blabbed on enough for the night:blah:

[Ralph]

Originally posted by SRH
i wont, people are going to do drugs for ever and there going to get them forever, the war on drugs is a waste of time and money, more money is waste on that than anything if i get pulled over and i need to be soemwhere ill be pissed if they keep me there for 20 minutes, most cops are a good judge of character so they know who should have there car checked out , dare and all that crap is a waste of time, all you need to do is in every school do some anti drug education in health class because if a kids gonna do drugs he will if hes not gonan he wont its not gonan matter if dare blows 40000 on some chevy avalanch with a paint job and 26 inch spinners...like thats gonna keep anyone off drugs, let the kids spend a night in jail if they wanna sell drugs, if that doesnt straighten them out there a lost cause and they need to learn for themselves, the whole world spends too much time dragging worthless burnt out druggies around ...whats the person gonan do if he turns his life around ? pack groceries ? you either hit rock bottom and make something of yourself or you live your whole life burnt out living in a slum somewhere and eventually die, pots not a drug , i personally dont drink or smoke or anything, doesnt appeal to me im focused haha, but some people get so stressed out with there daily lives they need a little relaxation and if they wanna enjoy one of gods gifts what the big deal, thats like outlawing maple trees ...i dont understand some kids, they tell you ok, you use ecstacy occasionally after awhile it can burn a hole in your brain the size of a dime...oh yeah man hook me up with that:huh ...

if the kid had a large amount of pot so what...whats that hurting? nothing at all...even if he sold it hes not hurting anyone, the law isnt always just and thats terrible he lost his scholarship for that, meanwhile the security guard, the dean of the college are all toking like mad man but you never see that or hear about it...i never realized or saw how widespread drug use and marijuana use was until i grew up a lil and started seeing all this stuff all the time

i wouldnt really bash a cop for the arrests and stuff like popo said its there job, and if your not some punk or burnout and they find a joint sometimes theyll throw it out and warn you or theyll ticket you...thats justa chance you have to take if your gonan use that stuff


i know a kid who had a bucnh of pot on him and the cop had him in the car while he was searching the kids car and he shoved his stash down in the cops seat, he never heard anything back...the cop probaly found it and took it home and smoked it...seriously...and if your mom and dad says oh we tried that stuff...there still smoking it...once a toker always a toker

anyway ive blabbed on enough for the night:blah:


hahah the funny thing is my town has a dare truck just like you described. Avalanche with a huge paint job with murals on it and what not and 29 inch spinners. I GUARANTEE IT WILL NOT STOP ONE PERSON FROM DOING DRUGS.

hahahaha
i was just watching cops and some black guys pissed off wife called the cops and said he broke in the house. They just went to his house were he was sleeping on the couch ripped him out and hand cuffed him. What says she isnt just trying to get back at him. Now this poor guy is gonna go to jail. Hate the white man even more and commit more crimes. when ur getting arrested when inocent then u might aswell do a crime since u have the fear of getting screwed over anyways....:o

[SRH]

Originally posted by Ralph
hahah the funny thing is my town has a dare truck just like you described. Avalanche with a huge paint job with murals on it and what not and 29 inch spinners. I GUARANTEE IT WILL NOT STOP ONE PERSON FROM DOING DRUGS.

i might sell some tho so i can buy one:eek: i was scanning thru the channels the other night and there was some interview with 50 cent and he was saying how he couldnt afford to live or support his kid and had to sell crack for awhile the guy seemed pretty sincere when he said it was the last thing he wanted to do...im not a big rap thug fan or w.e. but alot of people not in there position pass judgement and say get a job when you think about it thats gotta be pretty difficult, im just glad i wasnt born into position like that

[Ralph]

i dont really trust most the cops in my town, just from past experiences of how they all seem to just harass ceirtain people. On the other hand i know the chief of police who retired last year who is a very nice, cool and down to earth man. i also know another cop in my town who is a really nice man. as for all the others. They are young cocky guys making 6 figures their first year and they never see anything more than a cat in a tree in my town.

[swampfoxsc]

The area around your car is public area and can be searched at any time. The legality of the stop is what should be questioned if you have a problem. There are no rights being violated here. Nothing is being slowly eroded. You are more secure in your Constitutional rights now than ever before. Lawbreakers are the ones that whine about this sort of thing. I've never been searched or had a ticket and I'm 32 years old. Being a responsible person and reasonably following the law gets you that.

Please don't worry about a great conspiracy by the government or police to take your rights. Police departments can't even get along among themselves much less have super-secret anti-constitution training by the government! The only real threat to Democracy is the gun grabbers. If the 2nd Amendment ever falls we are DONE! I don't know a single plice officer that isn't a gun lover or member of the NRA. You should be able to figure out how that will work when the blue-helmeted UN gun grabbers march down the streets to take our guns! American cops are still Americans first and foremost!:macho

[WEEZIL]

I can see everyones point. I just think that weed should not carry as much of a penalty as it does. There is so many more terrible things out there right now than some grass. And you can bet your sorry @$$ right now I would smoke it every day IF.. AND I PUT STRONG MEANING IN THE WORD IF.. It didn't bake your brain cells and turn you into a complete mongoloid like some kids that run around my school. I also think in some ways just it being natural and pure it could cure some diseases, Not to mention the efficency of growing and making things out of hemp? But then you have the downside...

Our Government, Which I am sure would monopolize the market of selling it.. And totally dictate whatever happens with it. By this I mean adding chemicals and all sorts of other things like it was done to cigarettes... Not allowing farmers to sell it without some heavy taxes.. They would probably use it for more evil than good. The whole image of that "Drug" as some people call it would be changed. Plus for some i am sure it takes some of the fun away it being all legal and easy to smoke :scary: :blah:

[JTRtrx250r]

well we've had 3 post about drugs so Im sure it'll get deleted haha,

Ppl have been doing drugs since man was created, and will till man dont exist, most should be illegal, but weed should be legalized, its a definite waiste of tax dollars, I say take the $$ and educate the public w/ TRUTHFULNESS. If a kid see's a 60lb 25 yr old crack freak in all reality...chances are he WONT want to be like that guy. I say educate...not hide/punish, instead help/rehabilitate and educate...dont make up horror stories that aren't real or punish an addict. Ppl seems to think its the dealers...well its part, take away the dealer..and the addict dont just quit..hes goes somewhere else .

drugs are just 1 reason for this topic, not the only, killers and child molesters are reasons for it, theives are bad..but not like those 2, in ways I can see both sides but is that the answer...no, its not, but when they see that...they'll come up w/ something else. Kind of like the way they wait for something bad to happen...and THEN try to prevent it
:rolleyes:
its the privacy act deal that bothers me:rolleyes: Just dont want to be alive by the time we hit the status of Russia, we're loosing freedom as they blow hot air up our asses saying they're for it and all about it,

You tell me...Whats next? You are spied on EVERY time you talk on a cell phone, not only that..it tells them where you are. Get ready for your ID mocrochip under your skin that even tells them the volicity of your fart along w/ the DB of it, while the whole time you think your up in the mts hunting alone

[swampfoxsc]

Marajuana will not be legalized because the drug companies wouldn't make any money off of it. They have spent millions if not billions trying to make a synthetic form of THC which is the chemical found in marajuana and they can't do it.

Along with that, the timber companies don't want it legalized because hemp has many uses just like wood. It can be grown much faster and is quickly renewable. I forget the specifics but legal marajuana production as a paper source would drastically cut in to the timber company's business.

Those are two major reasons you won't toke legally any time soon if ever!:huh

[JUSTINcredible]

not all ppl who smoke weed are bad ppl, its the ppl that get high to relive stress and smoke it just to make it though a day that need help. It starts with weed and moves on to other drugs, it always does. since Ive graduated last year 3 ppl from my class are in jail because of meth. 1 is in for burglary, robbing houses so he can support his drug habbit. another got 64 months for felony possesion and intent to sell. another just for possesion. Meth is the most F'ed up thing around and its spreading like crazy. its new around minnesota but parts of the country like california it has been there for years.

[SRH]

Originally posted by JTRtrx250r
well we've had 3 post about drugs so Im sure it'll get deleted haha,

Ppl have been doing drugs since man was created, and will till man dont exist, most should be illegal, but weed should be legalized, its a definite waiste of tax dollars, I say take the $$ and educate the public w/ TRUTHFULNESS. If a kid see's a 60lb 25 yr old crack freak in all reality...chances are he WONT want to be like that guy. I say educate...not hide/punish, instead help/rehabilitate and educate...dont make up horror stories that aren't real or punish an addict. Ppl seems to think its the dealers...well its part, take away the dealer..and the addict dont just quit..hes goes somewhere else .

drugs are just 1 reason for this topic, not the only, killers and child molesters are reasons for it, theives are bad..but not like those 2, in ways I can see both sides but is that the answer...no, its not, but when they see that...they'll come up w/ something else. Kind of like the way they wait for something bad to happen...and THEN try to prevent it
:rolleyes:
its the privacy act deal that bothers me:rolleyes: Just dont want to be alive by the time we hit the status of Russia, we're loosing freedom as they blow hot air up our asses saying they're for it and all about it,

You tell me...Whats next? You are spied on EVERY time you talk on a cell phone, not only that..it tells them where you are. Get ready for your ID mocrochip under your skin that even tells them the volicity of your fart along w/ the DB of it, while the whole time you think your up in the mts hunting alone

haha then all th ere getting out of me is hello then a bunch of swearing , can you hear me know? waht about now then a bunch of swearing, what about now? hello hello

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by SRH
haha then all th ere getting out of me is hello then a bunch of swearing , can you hear me know? waht about now then a bunch of swearing, what about now? hello hello haha, you and me both:D

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by swampfoxsc
Lawbreakers are the ones that whine about this sort of thing.

[popo]

Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
JUST STATING A OPINION , NOT PARIONOID JUST DONT LIKE GIVING AWAY MY RIGTHS I`m 40 years old an seen alot of changes in the laws since I grew up . They need to focus more on the damn child molesters an rapest They get probation an walk away Some one has a small about of pot an is screwed . But they do need to really crack down on all the crack , meth ,ice an such because its home wreckers an turns people in to thefts to support thier habits.Thats where all are stolen quads are going (in some crack heads pipe):mad: So theres alot of pros an cons to it all Just looking for opinions Starting a topic not a war..

I agree with you a 100% it's not the person with the weed for personal use commiting the crimes, but the crack heads,geekers.

This is the court case your referring to.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=03-923

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by Ralph
i. as for all the others. They are young cocky guys making 6 figures their first year and they never see anything more than a cat in a tree in my town.

lol i HIGHLY doubt they are starting out at 6 figures their first year. but if they are i know where im going for a job in 2 years.

my cousin was very big on drugs. he had a rough life, parents basically walked out on him at a young age. im not gonna get into it but basically he has been in jail more times than i can remember. had his house burnt down by the drug dealers. hes now 27, and just got out of a halfway house. he seems to have changed what is good he seems like a very good person. oh yeah while he was high and drunk i guess he assaulted an officer. so now he cant get his license til 2022. he has a job tho, most basic warehouse jobs and otehrs like that dont require a background check.
why am i saying all of this? im not really sure. somebody said that people can change which is definately true. his life isnt totally ruined he seems to have learned his lesson. but who knows? that was another reason im so against drugs when you see this kind of crap happening to a family member ya dont wanna get involved in the same stuff.....

[SRH]

Originally posted by bansheeguy77
lol i HIGHLY doubt they are starting out at 6 figures their first year. but if they are i know where im going for a job in 2 years.

my cousin was very big on drugs. he had a rough life, parents basically walked out on him at a young age. im not gonna get into it but basically he has been in jail more times than i can remember. had his house burnt down by the drug dealers. hes now 27, and just got out of a halfway house. he seems to have changed what is good he seems like a very good person. oh yeah while he was high and drunk i guess he assaulted an officer. so now he cant get his license til 2022. he has a job tho, most basic warehouse jobs and otehrs like that dont require a background check.
why am i saying all of this? im not really sure. somebody said that people can change which is definately true. his life isnt totally ruined he seems to have learned his lesson. but who knows? that was another reason im so against drugs when you see this kind of crap happening to a family member ya dont wanna get involved in the same stuff.....

i think state police around here start at like 60000 but i highly doubt a local cop making 6 figures, i think some of the state police might after awhile but thats it, i think local yokels make 40000 if that

[Ralph]

they make ALOT of money in my town. They live in bigger houses than my family wich make 6 figures. and in my area that doesnt even buy alot. Small houses are 400,000+

i know for a fact they make alot more than 40,000 i do not have an exact figure but i know they make realy good money even starting out.

[Johnny & Monica]

Originally posted by popo
I agree with you a 100% it's not the person with the weed for personal use commiting the crimes, but the crack heads,geekers.

This is the court case your referring to.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=03-923

Popo I didnt start this tread to turn it into a cop bashing tread.I just wanted to here other voices on the subject an start a new tread,You go out an bust the pee outta those crackheads an geekers an meth laps Which leads to the stealing an robbing.Just leave the old pot heads alone there on there way to get icecream an movies they aint harming no one There just going home to munch out.Just do your job an do it well with good judgement

[Ralph]

new law passed a while ago says if you are caught with the possesion of marijuana in a motor vehicle it is automatically suspension of liscense for 2 years. but a dui is 6 months liscense suspension SOMETIMES and a little bit of cumunity service.

Last time i checked alchohol kills WAY WAY WAY more people. I dont know of one story where its like yeah dont smoke i know somebody who got killed driving cause of it. But i know atleast a dozen occurances of people dying because of alchohol. THATS NOT RIGHT AND NO MATTER HOW FREE YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

I respect cops alot, infact i wrote one of my english essays comparing epic heros to modern day heros, with cops as the modern day hero.

Its the workaholic, alcoholic, scandalist, bloodsucking, greedy lawmakers that i hate. along with most politicians.

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Ralph
new law passed a while ago says if you are caught with the possesion of marijuana in a motor vehicle it is automatically suspension of liscense for 2 years. but a dui is 6 months liscense suspension SOMETIMES and a little bit of cumunity service.

Last time i checked alchohol kills WAY WAY WAY more people. I dont know of one story where its like yeah dont smoke i know somebody who got killed driving cause of it. But i know atleast a dozen occurances of people dying because of alchohol. THATS NOT RIGHT AND NO MATTER HOW FREE YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

I respect cops alot, infact i wrote one of my english essays comparing epic heros to modern day heros, with cops as the modern day hero.

Its the workaholic, alcoholic, scandalist, bloodsucking, greedy lawmakers that i hate. along with most politicians. I like this^^ guy, and I definitly agree, I dont mean to sound like a cop basher, Ive just seen a few shady 1's and it always sticks out in my mind that just b/c he caught his wife hammering the milkman, he CAN take it out on you and alter your life, that I have a hard time w/

Popo, I sure dont ever want to offend you and what you do(i gotta appologize if I did) I honestly mean when I say, you are 1 of america's finest. I hear you do and say things to help in ways that Ive been dogged by asking the cops for help, I think thats kick ***!

[sportraxrider10]

Originally posted by Ralph
new law passed a while ago says if you are caught with the possesion of marijuana in a motor vehicle it is automatically suspension of liscense for 2 years. but a dui is 6 months liscense suspension SOMETIMES and a little bit of cumunity service.

Last time i checked alchohol kills WAY WAY WAY more people. I dont know of one story where its like yeah dont smoke i know somebody who got killed driving cause of it. But i know atleast a dozen occurances of people dying because of alchohol. THATS NOT RIGHT AND NO MATTER HOW FREE YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!


did u ever think that the reason why possesion of marijuana is more is because its illegal to have at anytime?

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by sportraxrider10
did u ever think that the reason why possesion of marijuana is more is because its illegal to have at anytime? DUH! but does that make it better? OR make sence compared to alcohol? Ive had my *** beat b/c of alcohol, Ive lost friends to to alcohol and some loser driving drunk, and I could go on.., You check the statistics on deaths and abuse between the 2, at worse a stoner might forget to pay for his candybar:p. its BASSACKWARDS if you ask me. :rolleyes: The government makes $$ on booze, but yet allows you to comsume and mow innocent ppl down, they're workin' it!