300EX Long Travel

[300ex73]

Ok, now I know it's been run into the ground before about using the 250r and 400ex a-arms and shocks on a 300ex/250x. But I did some research, and if someone were willing to spend the money, there is a way to get the front end way out there.

Now, Lonestar is the only company I've checked, so idk about the other big names. But as for the LSR DC-4 long travel for the 250r and 400ex, they both require a shock roughly 19 inches long. Now the stock shocks run nearly 17 inches. If you also check, to run the 250r and 400ex shocks on a 300/250, you need a 2 inch shock tower relocator. Therefor, the fact the shocks for long travel need to be about 2 inches longer, and the stock shocks are 2 inches too long for use on a 300 conversion, evens out.

That's right, using a 250r/400ex long travel system that requires the shocks to be 2 inches longer, along with stock 250r/400ex length shocks that are correctly valved and sprung(I.E.-stock valving/springs or plus 1 valving/springs) will work on a 300EX. It will also increase the width up to or beyond 50 inches, and gives it some massive wheel travel. As for the ride and handling, who knows? It's an idea to try though.

[bradley300]

well, that wont makes the 250r/400ex a-armsmwork any better, your still better off using 300ex a-arms.

and the 250r/400ex shocks are 16 inchers, not 17

[Out_Sider]

ASR makes longtravel a arms for a 300ex that use a 16 1/4in shock, suppose to be a helluva setup when equipped with elka shocks

[bradley300]

that sounds like it could be a sweet set up, i just havnt heard much good or bad about ASR quality

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by bradley300
that sounds like it could be a sweet set up, i just havnt heard much good or bad about ASR quality

ASR quality is very good. They are way underrated. I had some on my old cannondale. The ONLY problem i ever had with them was the tie-rod ends coming lose, just some simple Loc-tite fixed that. Very good a-arms if they could just develop a name for themselves.

Out_sider, where can i get some info on these a-arms?..I might need a set:devil:

[roostin_dale]

my custom 300ex "Longtravel" front end...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid105/p8af2bc4e77d5418a87f9825323107d67/f974c8ee.jpg

[300exOH]

Here's about the best set for the money. +2+1 Burgard 300ex a arms with shockmount bracket and custom Elka's (or Works)

[300ex73]

I never said that it was a cost worthy or even worth while project. I just said it would be something to try, assuming you could afford to, or had the parts available to try bolting up. And as for the 250/400 shocks, I actually have an email from elka, stating that the shocks are 16 and 3/4 inches, nearly 17.

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by 300exOH
Here's about the best set for the money. +2+1 Burgard 300ex a arms with shockmount bracket and custom Elka's (or Works)

That is a nice set-up depending on what you do. The national youth production class for 300ex's require you to use stock shock mounts (might be changed for 2005)...so this leaves us searching for more travel, because stock 300ex's suspension, well, sucks. And it is hard to get much travel out of them.

I am looking for a new set-up this year, just to try something new. Now i cant really understand what 300ex73 is trying to say, but one subject I have researched is 400ex LT a-arms and standard travel 400ex shocks (sorry if this is what you are trying to explain).

Then if i can find some info on these ASR LT's I am willing to try them out also.

My current set-up is 400ex +2 a-arms and cusotm made shocks by TCS (14.75 inches)..I am also running 400ex spindles..it worked very well all last season...

[300exOH]

The length depends on the bracet you use. I never said you had to do it either I just know it works well. You brought up the subject and I commented. The whole set up is based on Dave Mcarrols(sp) proven winning GNCC setup.
The 400ex/250r front end doesn't work correctly. I also have researched and tried it. There isnt a cheap way to do it right.:rolleyes:

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by 300exOH
The length depends on the bracet you use. I never said you had to do it either I just know it works well. You brought up the subject and I commented. The whole set up is based on Dave Mcarrols(sp) proven winning GNCC setup.
The 400ex/250r front end doesn't work correctly. I also have researched and tried it. There isnt a cheap way to do it right.:rolleyes:

Im not trying to start anything, i know alot of people are against the 400ex a-arms. But personally I am against the relocator, Puts the shock too verticle. I have ran the 400ex setup all season racing MX. Not one problem.

I would say my setup is somewhat proven since I did not lose one local race this seaosn in the youth production/blaster class....and I was held back at the nationals due to engine failures..

Like i said, i dont want to start anything, we have our own opinions..:)

[300exOH]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by roostin_dale
Im not trying to start anything, i know alot of people are against the 400ex a-arms. But personally I am against the relocator, Puts the shock too verticle. I have ran the 400ex setup all season racing MX. Not one problem.

I would say my setup is somewhat proven since I did not lose one local race this seaosn in the youth production/blaster class....and I was held back at the nationals due to engine failures..

Like i said, i dont want to start anything, we have our own opinions..:) [/QUOT

I agree. I just was rubbed the wrong way by how someone says they reserched and suggested a setup without all of the facts. The fact is you have won with yours and it works for you. Nothing personal Roostin. The bracket isn't a perfect solution. The truth is if you want more quad you buy more quad. The 400ex front end just affects the angle of the tie rods negatively and 400ex spindles aren't a full fix for it either. A longtravel front end designed for the 300 would be a better solution. Also the verticle shocks arent ideal but with proper valving seem to work very well. I'm just trying to relay info as best I can so others can learn. Any other ideas are always helpful to me also.

I don't race so I can't really say how it will do but there is a huge difference on the trail.

[Out_Sider]

http://www.amstarmanufacturing.com/Honda300EX.html

^ those are the LT arms there, they use a 16 1/2in shock, they are the last ones listed on that page.. if i had the $$ i'd be ordering me a set

[300ex73]

Those are some wicked arms. What kind of shocks would work the best with those?

[JDiablo]

those arms aren't on a 300ex....i never knew a 300ex frame had rounded tubing
:o

[Quadworks]

Originally posted by 300exrida
those arms aren't on a 300ex....i never knew a 300ex frame had rounded tubing
:o


The guys got a point! But it probably is just the same product but on a different machine. I still hate it when a company doesn't have the s**t together enough to get things like this right. I buy alot of things buy the picture not the description.

[Out_Sider]

it may not be the LT on a 300ex shown, but they do have it, i've seen it. and it IS the BEST front end for a 300ex right now, and i have no doubt in my mind about it, but if i had the money i'd use those arms with some elkas

[exman]

long shock arms

[300exOH]

Originally posted by exman
long shock arms

Niiice:devil: Have you rode on the new setup yet? How's it feel?

[exman]

rode it all this year in the nats

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
it may not be the LT on a 300ex shown, but they do have it, i've seen it. and it IS the BEST front end for a 300ex right now, and i have no doubt in my mind about it, but if i had the money i'd use those arms with some elkas

you need to dig a bit deeper, others have set ups for the 300ex that are top of the line but noone seems to want to spend the money to purchase them.

exman knows the deal:devil:

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by Pappy
you need to dig a bit deeper, others have set ups for the 300ex that are top of the line but noone seems to want to spend the money to purchase them.

exman knows the deal:devil:

rosstin_dale knows the deal too! :devil: :scary: :blah:

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by 300exrida
those arms aren't on a 300ex....i never knew a 300ex frame had rounded tubing
:o Which pic are you talking about?

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by roostin_dale
But personally I am against the relocator, Puts the shock too verticle. The shocks where custom valved and sprung for the steeper angle.

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
The shocks where custom valved and sprung for the steeper angle.

look at the date on that post, after you and Bradley pounded it through my head i finally saw the light...and switched from the 400ex +2's to 300ex +3's...

[cdalejef]

LOL...sorry, I missed that! :p

[pistonbone]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
http://www.amstarmanufacturing.com/Honda300EX.html

^ those are the LT arms there, they use a 16 1/2in shock, they are the last ones listed on that page.. if i had the $$ i'd be ordering me a set

They take Paypal, Paypal has this new thing called "Buyer Credit" (monthly payments). Hmmmm :cool: (Seriously considering)

[Out_Sider]

ahha, yeah the asr's were the best setup like 1 1/2 to 2 years ago

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by Pappy
you need to dig a bit deeper, others have set ups for the 300ex that are top of the line but noone seems to want to spend the money to purchase them.

exman knows the deal:devil:

lil_300ex_kid has rode on that deal!!!! :D Pappy it you ever look into getting a 300ex for cody you have to get johns a-arms, best handling 300ex I have ever rode!!

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Lil_300Ex_Kid
lil_300ex_kid has rode on that deal!!!! :D Pappy it you ever look into getting a 300ex for cody you have to get johns a-arms, best handling 300ex I have ever rode!!

i actually watched them be designed and built:p

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by Pappy
i actually watched them be designed and built:p

just watched no help? Dang pappy why do you get up and do something for a change? Haha j/k pappy im just givin ya a hard time. John is a really cool guy, hopefully him, garret, and hyden can come up here and teach me a few things about mx.:cool:

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by Lil_300Ex_Kid
hopefully him, garret, and hyden can come up here and teach me a few things about mx.:cool:

and roostin_dale too...

you would never have even discoverd John or his a-arms if it werent for me! :o I know you love me for it Cody! :o

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by roostin_dale
and roostin_dale too...

you would never have even discoverd John or his a-arms if it werent for me! :o I know you love me for it Cody! :o

I know. Thank you dirk, and yes I love you for it. :p You better get your mexican *** down here for LLs next year.

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by exman
long shock arms
What width are those a-arms?

[exman]

width is +3 wide and +0 forward

[roostin_dale]

john, i just thought you should know that your my hero!!!:macho

[exman]

I would cus on here but can't hahahah

check this out G-man got tenth place overall for the year...only did 5 races. and laid out since april

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by exman
I would cus on here but can't hahahah

check this out G-man got tenth place overall for the year...only did 5 races. and laid out since april

thats cuz the G man is freakin fast! BUT, i almost had him in Texas, and i have pics to prove it, hahaha...

[exman]

he just puts the throttle down and goes...I just wonder how many times he is gonna get tossed off that quad.....he has got tossed off that dude once every practice session every race at the nats this year and last....I always ask him how the bumper or the ground tasted and if tasted the same as last time hahahahaha

[roostin_dale]

John i decided me and G man are going to run Pro Am Production next year at nats...

Call me sometime and we will discuss the details...Hayden should have my number, unless he lost it :o :p

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by exman
width is +3 wide and +0 forward
Who are they made by and are they availabel in a +2?

[Cody_300ex]

Originally posted by cjpoole1
Who are they made by and are they availabel in a +2?

He makes them, GDH racing. I think hes only offering them in +3 as of right now, not sure. Just PM him or e-mail him at THSFGA@aol.com

[RidrKFX]

roostin_dale...are those tires suppose to be bowed out that much?????:ermm:

[roostin_dale]

Originally posted by RidrKFX
roostin_dale...are those tires suppose to be bowed out that much?????:ermm:

no there not...i just threw the arms and shocks on for pics when i took those...

[bwamos]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
http://www.amstarmanufacturing.com/Honda300EX.html

^ those are the LT arms there, they use a 16 1/2in shock, they are the last ones listed on that page.. if i had the $$ i'd be ordering me a set

From someone who is in Structural Engineering as a day job, I really dont like how the lower shock mount is sooo leveraged against that small cross tube. That's a LOT of torsion force on that bugger. It should be pushing on it (like their standard travels), not twisting it. That's the point where all of the impact force is being transfered into the shock.

The GDH arms look very nice though from what I can see.