Atv Sport Article With 06 Info [Archive]

SRH

01-01-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by tido450
ive decided it definatly worth waiting for the 06's in an article bill ballance said that there will be mnany changes that will totally revolutionize the bike, and that yamaha is fully commited to have the best sport atv

yeah new handle bar bend, bng= bold new graphics, softer seat, new back break setup:p

sampleez

01-01-2005, 03:14 PM

so is it really gonna be worth waitin for an 06. it is gonna be a true 450 right. if so, is it gonna have more bore or more stroke. i'm gonna try and get one sometime this year, and i can get an 05 for a lot less when the 06 comes out if the changes aren't that significant.

bradley300

01-01-2005, 08:00 PM

or maybe it will be a true 450 with a few handleing improvments

Jersey450R

01-02-2005, 04:39 AM

Wait till you guys see what Honda has up their sleeves :eek:

creechfan

01-02-2005, 09:33 AM

Wait till you guys see what Honda has up their sleeves

sooooo, tell us what you know please. :devil:

Dale512

01-02-2005, 10:32 AM

Electric Start and BNG:rolleyes:

sampleez

01-02-2005, 02:18 PM

maybe it wont be but ugly next year :devil:

Rdogg450

01-02-2005, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by tido450
ive decided it definatly worth waiting for the 06's in an article bill ballance said that there will be mnany changes that will totally revolutionize the bike, and that yamaha is fully commited to have the best sport atv

What was Ballance supposed to say the bike is never gonna have changes???? Remember he gets paid by Yamaha.
Who knows maybe it will have a bunch of changes but don't hold your breath.:cool:

tido450

01-02-2005, 08:45 PM

my lungs are fully ready to hold their breath for 7 months

Jersey450R

01-03-2005, 06:05 AM

I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

Jersey450R

01-03-2005, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by sampleez
maybe it wont be but ugly next year :devil:
yea in 04', the 450R came out and it looked just like you man.

beak7707

01-03-2005, 09:10 AM

Its will be interesting to see the new 06's, but I say very little will be changed on either quad. It's not like honda or yami to change anything thats not broke. I too would like to see what suzuki has created, they've had enough time it better be good.

airheadedduner

01-03-2005, 09:37 AM

Being a true 450 will not be worth the wait if the rumors are true. I don't think it will make that much of a difference or the 05's would have been 450's.

Dale512

01-03-2005, 10:27 AM

I look for alot of small tweaks rather than major changes for the YFZ, probably mostly in the handling department. As for the LT-Z450 or whatever its gonna be called I hope its an awesome bike, Suzuki is really stepping up with racing support for our support more than any other company so I'm sure they have something up their sleeves.

tido450

01-03-2005, 11:32 AM

i just hope suzuki doesnt sacrifice durability for weight savings like they did with the z400, if i had to compare my z400 with food id call it a crumbled ritz cracker, its always broken, the sub frame is out being painted again because it snapped for no apparent reason, if it wernt for my fenders i woulda run my *** over with the back tires

robman

01-03-2005, 04:38 PM

Durability is the big ?True that,I'm waiting for the new z450 but i'll be more than happy with a moded R trade in for half the price.:cool:

sampleez

01-03-2005, 06:59 PM

don't get all pissy at me jersey, i didn't design the body on the R

Jersey450R

01-03-2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by sampleez
don't get all pissy at me jersey, i didn't design the body on the R
Yea, HONDA did. Why do you have a picture of one as your avatar then???

sampleez

01-03-2005, 07:17 PM

because that is my 400ex, which is not a 450r, and therefore, not ugly as he!!

the Z Man

01-03-2005, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.
Big Hell Yeah for that !!!!!!! They are waiting for the KILL,,,

wastecase

01-03-2005, 08:34 PM

remember, it will be a first year quad. the yfz had electrical probs, but a proven motor design. the trx had some crank issues, no biggie. the ltz had frame issues. thats a big one. yeah the trx has some frame problems, but not like the z400. the new z450 or whatever it is will be fast. remember, its the aftermarket potential that these motors crave. atv's have restrictments by law, so don't expect a trx/yfz killer. blah blah, i can't wait to see what's in store.

Jersey450R

01-04-2005, 06:19 AM

the new suzuki will most likely have electric start with a kick back up. I beleive honda will do the same. If not in 06' definitly in 07'. The yahama will still have just e. start with all the same battery problems. I feel the suzuki will be based more off the 450R and not the YFZ. They are shooting to make the most asthetically pleasing quad but with all the baddest features! This LTZ 450 is gonna be incredible. just some of my insight thats gonna get bashed. :macho

z400ACDC

01-04-2005, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by tido450
my lungs are fully ready to hold their breath for 7 months
You will have to hold it a lot longer than that for major updates to the YFZ. In 07, it gets a new frame, suspension and engine.

tido450

01-05-2005, 10:17 AM

how did you stumble across such valuble unbelieveable information

Jersey450R

01-05-2005, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by tido450
how did you stumble across such valuble unbelieveable information
I'll second that.

Shawn H

01-05-2005, 10:53 AM

z400ACDC Has very good connections with Jeramiah Jones and Bill ballance.
He has been very accurate and knew stuff about the Z400, Yfz and the 450r before any of them were even close to being released.

He knows his chit!!!!
Notice his Sig? Oh shoot thats where both JJ and BB are from what a coincidence?:eek2:

tido450

01-05-2005, 11:43 AM

thats sweet i didnt even notice where he was from or would i actually think he knows them, if im gonna have to wait till 07 i may as well buy one now and then get an 07 later its that big of a difference, thanks for the info gasm

SRH

01-05-2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

yeah thats why they had to merge with kawi to save both there asses:p no matter what suzuki builds it will never be a yamaha or honda but it may perform well but in terms of durability and reliability i wouldnt hold your breath

Dale512

01-05-2005, 08:34 PM

I have a YFZ and its been awesome to me but Yamaha has never been known for their reliability. Plus Suzuki and Kawasaki never merged, and either way the alliance probably helped out Kawasaki more than Suzuki.

SRH

01-05-2005, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Dale512
I have a YFZ and its been awesome to me but Yamaha has never been known for their reliability. Plus Suzuki and Kawasaki never merged, and either way the alliance probably helped out Kawasaki more than Suzuki.

yeah they never been bad, in bikes anyways i dont think they really put much thought into quad til the yfz, suzuki and kawi are way deeper than an alliance, both of them were struggling equally as bad...

Dale512

01-05-2005, 10:04 PM

That little "Alliance" is going to be ending within the year just so you know. Its not anything more than an Alliance, although neither were doing that great in the motorsports industries both have much larger ventures that are in no way shape or form in any sort of "trouble" financially.

hsr

01-06-2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

Suzuki just spent all of their money on RC. no j/k their 450 will be good, it better be, they know what they have to do to step it up

Stock 400 rider

01-16-2005, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by sampleez
maybe it wont be but ugly next year :devil:

HAHAHA!

harescrambles

01-16-2005, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by snowgasm
z400ACDC Has very good connections with Jeramiah Jones and Bill ballance.
He has been very accurate and knew stuff about the Z400, Yfz and the 450r before any of them were even close to being released.

He knows his chit!!!!
Notice his Sig? Oh shoot thats where both JJ and BB are from what a coincidence?:eek2:

yep,ya never know who you might me talking to :D

Quad18star

01-16-2005, 10:04 PM

I'm still amazed at when I see people say that " well maybe I should wait till the next year before buying .. it'll be better " ... if you think like that all the time , you're gunna be sitting out on the side lines for years and years . Of course the Companies are gunna improve their Machines every year ... thats what keeps them " Up Top" in the business .

I'm sure Yamaha will improve things on the YFZ ... but to put off a purchase because maybe the next year will be better ... who cares . Unless you're Doug Gust or Tim Farr or J. Jones ... you probably WON'T notice the difference if they tweak the suspension ... add 10cc more .

Go out and make the purchase ... if you keep waiting , you'll be sidelined for '05, '06, '07 , '08 , '09 .... get where I'm going ??

z400ACDC

01-17-2005, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Quad18star
I'm still amazed at when I see people say that " well maybe I should wait till the next year before buying .. it'll be better " ... if you think like that all the time , you're gunna be sitting out on the side lines for years and years . Of course the Companies are gunna improve their Machines every year ... thats what keeps them " Up Top" in the business .

I'm sure Yamaha will improve things on the YFZ ... but to put off a purchase because maybe the next year will be better ... who cares . Unless you're Doug Gust or Tim Farr or J. Jones ... you probably WON'T notice the difference if they tweak the suspension ... add 10cc more .

Go out and make the purchase ... if you keep waiting , you'll be sidelined for '05, '06, '07 , '08 , '09 .... get where I'm going ??
;) You hit the the nail on the head! If you are waiting to get the best quad ever, you will never buy one. The next one will always be better. When I bought my brand new 1982 ATC 185S, I thought that was the greastest thing ever. Then, in 83, Honda brought out the 200X and I had to get one of them. It just kept going on and on, Blaster, Banshee, EX, Raptor ans Z400. I don't know what is my next one, but it will be better I'm sure

01-17-2005, 02:31 PM

If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

SRH

01-17-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

i heard the lt 450 is coming with aluminum chassis like the 450 bike, the bike motor , and a race ready chassis, which i beleive suzuki will do, this wikll only benefit the guys who ride stock but it will be cool to see

YamaWarr0121

01-17-2005, 03:22 PM

u want an alluminum chassie'd 450? sounds like an ATK to me!

Dale512

01-17-2005, 03:58 PM

Atkins450, of course the YFZ can be stroked for the full 449cc, all they did was destroke it to get it down to 439cc. I can find plenty of areas that both the YFZ and 450R can both be made better.

SRH

01-17-2005, 04:28 PM

yeah i do

hondakiller

01-23-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Not true! The WR450 crank is a "bolt on" and it strokes the YFZ 1.4mm to 449cc. And many companies offer 4mm strokers for the YFZ.

Kennethyfz450

01-27-2005, 04:24 PM

many companies offer the 4mm stroker for the wr.
not the yfz

but like you said you can bolt up a wr kit cheap

i believe 280 with everything you need

01-28-2005, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

What are you talking about my YFZ is a 470 and has stock bore. all the displacement was added by stroking it. plus like someone else said the bike motor has a longer stroke??????

popo

01-28-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by SRH
yeah thats why they had to merge with kawi to save both there asses:p no matter what suzuki builds it will never be a yamaha or honda but it may perform well but in terms of durability and reliability i wouldnt hold your breath

I have seen many Yfz450 and Honda 450R with broken frame and subframes also.

Why is everyone and there brother running to get six point subframes for the Yam and Honda. Hmmm cause they are junk.

Dale512

01-28-2005, 12:58 PM

Who makes aftermarket Sub-Frames for 450R?

suzukitony64

01-28-2005, 10:47 PM

OK boys , this is a meeting at I believe it was Dirtwheels, where suzuki had a meeting with them to talk about the z450 and share ideas. Robman noticed these pics on the table of what we believe to be concept drawings of it or actual prototypes. Problem is my photo shop is crap and this is the best i could do will find out what month maybe someone can fix it up or at least clean it
http://ca.msnusers.com/ics5t0sl2b8reith9j7l3kasu3/Documents/z450%5B2%5D.jpg
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