what to kill piped shees?

what can i add to beat the piped banshees at the dunes? i would like to keep it reliable for duning. already have edelbrock carb,dmc full pipe,air box mod with k&n,rev kit.

[ExVillin400]

get a 416 kit. my 1 friends has a 416 and one has a 440 kit and they are both side by side in a drag race. from start to end.

[PDunes300ex]

get a turbo

a pistol would be easy to hide,,so use it,,,clean shot to the block should do the trick..;)

[VegasEx'r]

Look at my sig, it'll beat a piped shee (I use the 14t sprocket at the dunes). The xr cam is nice, but you could get something more aggressive (like the Web or HRC copy) for about the same price.
Guys on 2-strokes don't like loosing to guys on 4-strokes.

[PsychoDave]

i crushed a piped shee and a ds 650 this weekend with my 416....we drag raced about 6 times each and each time i was ahead by a lot.....nice

[Live2Ride300]

PhychoDave-

What do you have in your engine wiht your 416, what compression are u running, what type of cam etc?

thanx

charlie

If you get a 416 kit do you have to run race gas

[PsychoDave]

I HAVE THE MARCUMS 416 10.8:1 COMP. KIT, XR CAM 45 PILOT 170 MAIN 3RD CLIP ON K&N NEEDLE JET....k&N FILTER , WHITE BROS R SERIES PIPE....STOCK SPROCKETS.

[VegasEx'r]

Originally posted by matthew's400ex
If you get a 416 kit do you have to run race gas

Keep the compression ratio at 10.8:1 or lower & you won't need race fuel

[trx400ex]

i dont see how you guys are beating piped shees with just 416 kits,,, as long as the banshee gets traction, it will win.. to beat it you need to spend major money...then the shee gets 50$ reeds and your screwed again...send your engine to a builer and ask them what they can do to give you what you want.

[nakomis0]

Well he already has a full exhaust and a carb. Getting a higher compression piston, and aggressive cam would about do the trick. Some valve work and porting whiles shes tore apart and you should be beating a piped 'Shee.

[VegasEx'r]

Originally posted by trx400ex
i dont see how you guys are beating piped shees with just 416 kits,,, as long as the banshee gets traction, it will win.. to beat it you need to spend major money...then the shee gets 50$ reeds and your screwed again...send your engine to a builer and ask them what they can do to give you what you want.

Dude, banshee's aren't that bad (not like a 250r or lt500). The ones I have beat have had paddles, pipes & a filter/jet kit & that's it. The 416 piston by itself won't do a whole lot. If you change the piston & cam, you'll beat piped/jetted banshees.

[veddersbetter]

hmmmm...Id say ...out of all honesty...itd be cheaper to buy a Banshee for a second quad than it would be to beat one on a 400. Everyone Ive seen that is piped and jetted is just retarded fast .....were talkin apples to oranges though. Cuz I wouldnt even want a shee for the woods....unless ya like the taste of tree bark. That 2 stroke power comes on like a motha

If i get a 440 kit and keep the compresion under 10.8:1 will it still be ok if i dont run race gas?

[nakomis0]

Originally posted by veddersbetter
hmmmm...Id say ...out of all honesty...itd be cheaper to buy a Banshee for a second quad than it would be to beat one on a 400. Everyone Ive seen that is piped and jetted is just retarded fast .....were talkin apples to oranges though.

I like when your Orange beats their Apple, than their like "where that damn fruit come from?" :)

[Chef]

well, speaking from experience, a banshee with Toomey's, a cool head with 16cc domes, jetting, and a pro-flo kit makes around 55 horse...a 10.8:1 416 and a cam WILL NOT beat a piped shee in the sand. My Banshee will eat my ex alive, and ive only got $2500 in it, including the whole set of sand tires. I have almost 5k in my EX motor...isnt that sad?

2 stroke twin/ vs 4 stroke single, and traction, and it usally takes twice the nuber of cc's for a 4 stroke to be competivie against a 2 stroke, in pro class, its 440cc for 4's, and 250cc for 2's, ther is no well in h*ll a 416 could beat a piped shee

[JustRace]

I'll jump on the banshee band wagon. 416 vs. Piped Shee = piped shee TKO.

[trx400ex]

Originally posted by VegasEx'r


Dude, banshee's aren't that bad (not like a 250r or lt500). The ones I have beat have had paddles, pipes & a filter/jet kit & that's it. The 416 piston by itself won't do a whole lot. If you change the piston & cam, you'll beat piped/jetted banshees.
i have both, dont tell me.

[nakomis0]

My buddy has Banshee, ported, V-Force reeds and cages, Milled head, 28mm Kiehn carbs, K&N filter, no air box lid.

And I beat him in the sand, by a quad lenght regulary. Without my FCR carb we were neck and neck. So from what I have seen I'm gonna say a built 416, is gonna eat a 'Shee piped and jetted w/ k&n. ..

[PDunes300ex]

Banshee $6000 + pipes and jets $500 for bling bling chrome
Total $6500.

What would it cost to build up the 400EX to beat it? just wondering...out of the box the banshee is king of the dunes

[Chef]

well who ever did your buddies banshee sucks at porting...no offense, but its the truth...

on GT Thunder there is a banshee with the exact setup i have and it makes 70.2 peak hp.....and your sayin that you beat him by a quad length in the sand? ok...whatever you say man...but how is your MILD compression 440 faster than my bike?

[Castor-426ex]

hey I was ridin with a few guys this weekend...they had banshees...one of then had toomey pipes on it, not sure what else, the other was bone stock....we lined up to drag race on gravel that gradually goes into dirt...pretty flat...and about half a mile in length.....I was expecting to get spanked pretty hard...but i hooked up way better than they did..got the hole shot...and pulled away....Ive been beaten by Banshees before...and I have beaten Banshees....Im sure if we were on pavement it would have been a different story

[twisted threads]

I got to agree with Alky472 a piped banshee will beat a 416ex all most most of the time in the sand. The reason you guys on the 400ex's are beating the shee's is because you probley are better riders. If you get some one on a piped banshee that can ride OK the banshee will SPANK!! the 400ex. Sorry BUT TRUE. I have beat many banshees drag racing at the dunes but that is when I let the wife have my 440ex and I am riding the 250R.:) I have beat shees with the 400 but not to often, I haven't got to play around on the 440ex that much yet but I think that it will be a closer race but the banshees will probley win in dragracing most of the time.

[PsychoDave]

Well when i raced the banshee and DS i was shocked that i beat them....thats why we raced 6 times...they are my friends and they knew i put a 416 kit in my honda.....i beat them every time and we raced across a BIG field. The shee has pipes, tires, jets, boost bottle etc and i CRUSHED it 6 times....we raced from a stopped start and a rolling start......i even let him say go.....we had someone else start us.....the shee was not that fast!!!!! Either his shee is a piece of crap or he cant ride?

[rhandw69]

This is funny,
Well, i happen to have both the 416 and the Banshee. Now I wont get on here and claim to be the best rider around, but i consider myself a fairly good rider. Now whats funny is everyone says they destroyed a banshee and yada yada yada. Hmmm,,,Maybe in a short drag, like before the banshee hits 5th,,,but Im sorry folks,,,, I dont see it,,,,once the Shee grabs sixth and if it has any sort of distance,,,it will pass on by. Now i 100% agree that it is alot of the rider, i have beaten banshees in a drag and i know for a fact that the other rider did not know how to ride. Its funny, we are all proud of our EXs, and how fast they are,,,,but in reality, when it comes to the Dunes,,,,,,,,,,we take a back seat. Hate to be honest,,but thats just the way it is. A 400 will not crush a piped shee. Not in a long run, and not if the Shee, gets traction.
Later

1/4 mile, 1/2 mile drags on a drag strip/ or a road

[nakomis0]

Originally posted by Alky472
well who ever did your buddies banshee sucks at porting...no offense, but its the truth...

on GT Thunder there is a banshee with the exact setup i have and it makes 70.2 peak hp.....and your sayin that you beat him by a quad length in the sand? ok...whatever you say man...but how is your MILD compression 440 faster than my bike?

Vito's did his porting. He 'kinda' knows his stuff. :)

And your bike has a cool head, which is creating alot more compression, than my buddys milled head.

And the drags I'm talking about are like 300' maybe 800' Im not sure what the standard is. I'm not talkiin no 1/4 mile. I don't think most guys are dragging 1/4 miles.

And am still certain a well built 416, will beat a piped Shee. 80% of the guys I ride with have Banshees. I know them very well. Also sand drags is one of my favorite things to do, Silver Lake is a 4hr ride and I probably take 5-8 trips up there a summer. heh, any piped, filtered, carbed and reeded 'Shees wanna meet up there let me know ;)

[Chef]

I would be glad to meet ya Nakomis...;) Did he get the full race porting, or the rec setup? That could mean alot of difference in horsepower just with the kind of porting he got... But in oregon, if you want to go fast and do everything the fourstrokes usually dont, then you get a banshee like i have, or more...

This is what a mildly built Banshee does in the sand...Porting, carbs, pipes, reeds, maybe a 400 wiseco piston kit...so for under $2000 you do this...

Thier is no way a 416 ex beat a ported shee. Even lighty ported shee make 60 hp. In drag racing you can not beat banshee's. Some drag banshee make over 100hp. My brothers banshee is faster then my cr250. Trinity did they work and says it makes about 75-78 rwhp.

[out4sand]

You guys must be racing some sissy banshee riders in the dunes. By no means do i mean to flame anyone but I have both a shee and a pumped up 400 and it's no match come drag race time (in the dunes at least), the banshee wins hands down. That's not to say that a super pumped up 400 couldn't be faster but I have yet to run against one that has beat my banshee. I love to ride both quads but when it comes to race time the banshee will smoke the 400.

well, the parts u hav in it might explain that prob

[NacsRacing400]

Ill try to offer you alittle bit of helpful hints, you could have tc build you a full 505 kit, That would make you very fast in its self, but a moddified banshee could still win, now put one of those new turbo kits in it, they say it doubles the horsepower, that means if you can get your engine up to 50 hp, which is very possible with one of toms engines, with the turbo you would make over 100 h.p. I think most shees would have a hard time keeping up with that. it would cost around 10 g's just in motor and maby a longer swingarm you could get included in that price.

[Pro400EXC]

Umm... welll, i hear the Sparks 465EX on Alky beat a Team Pami 703 DS, and it beat Trinty Rapotrs,and it was only 3bike lenghts behind the 680 Sparks Raptor.

Now,i hear the Sparks Rapotr beat a 420 Shee,and the 465ex was 2nd fastest,so how can't your 472EX beat a Ported Shee, Hott?

[Chef]

My banshee is one fast bike dude...like dave400 said, my banshee is probably in the 75-78 horsepower range....I would be glad to try my luck with the sparks raptor, just to see...

[honda_400ex19]

A 416 kit will deft. give you the needed power to kick a SHEES *****, SHEES are not that bad ***** of a machine with just a pipe and jets.
I see them get stomped day in day out by boys here in Mi at Silver lake.
I have even seen a couple of nicely put together 300ex's beet SHEES with Toomeys and Rad Valves.

[Chef]

Originally posted by honda_400ex19
A 416 kit will deft. give you the needed power to kick a SHEES *****, SHEES are not that bad ***** of a machine with just a pipe and jets.
I see them get stomped day in day out by boys here in Mi at Silver lake.
I have even seen a couple of nicely put together 300ex's beet SHEES with Toomeys and Rad Valves.

Who was ridin the banshees? 5 year olds?

[JustRace]

SURE :rolleyes:

[honda_400ex19]

This thread started off as a guy asking if he could beat a SHEE that was piped and now we are talking about SHEES and EX's with Turbos and everything under the stars on them, and everyone is calling everyone a bull****ter.

A hyped up SHEE or 250R can just about beat anything thrown at it, especially a SHEE set up for 1/8 mi dune drags.

One more thing, you guys were talking about Raptors and EX'S by Sparks and all of them and how they kick *****, well what about
Aaron Finky's 630 KTM from Iowa, I will bet my weekly paycheck that it could hang with some of them Sparks and DS700's on any given day.

[JustRace]

Now your not even talking about a production quad.

[JustRace]

This is turing into something like my dad can beat up your dad. Just liky my name says JUSTRACE and if who ever races and wins (and can prove they won) can talk all the ***** they want but until then we should all be quiet.

[optikid123]

yea stop everyone is going to have their own oppions anyway and i understand that most of the time no matter how many times u tell them there wrong they still believe in what they saw so stop tryin to change everones opinion truth is that a 400ex will need quite a bit of money to keep up with a shee some people will try to tell me that i am wrong and a 416 will beat it they are still not going to change what i think so who cares a guy just asked how to make his bike hang with shees and it is becoming a pissing contest

the truth is a 400ex motor will need quite a bit of work to hang with a shee never mind beat one

[PsychoDave]

WELL I MUST HAVE SUPERQUAD IF I EASILY BEAT MY 2 FRIENDS BANSHEES WITH MY 416....AND I GUESS IT IS SUPERQUAD SINCE I BEAT A MODDED DS650 TOO.....AS I SAID BEFORE I COULDNT BELIEVE I BEAT THEM...THATS WHY WE RACES 6 TIMES. AND EACH "DRAG" RACE I BEAT THE SHEES AND DS. EVEN IF I HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING A RIDER, I STILL LET THE GUYS WITH THE MODDED SHEES START US OFF, WITH BOTH A ROLLING START AND A REGULAR START. I CANT EXPLAIN IT. WE RACED A BIT MORE THAN A 1/4 MILE SMOOTH FIELD. NOW I KNOW MY 416 ISNT THAT BAD *****......PS I AM NOT FLAMING JUST SHOCKED

man, either they sux, or u are good

[02REDEXRIDER]

i have a stock '02 400 EX and i smoked a banshee on a little mx type track. drag racing is a different story. don't get me wrong, drag racing is fun, but if i was worried about going fast in a straight line i would have bought a drag car.anyway all the banshee did was spin. thumpers put the power to the ground. simple as that.:devil