400ex TC racing

[Blake24]

since TC's website is down can some people give me info on them......what bores they do for the 400ex, prices, wait time.......thx alot guys..........

ps: if u have any success stories with TC.......share um....i would love to hear them


:devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil

[Dave400ex]

TC has a 416 Kit, 425 Kit, 440 Kit, 490 Kit, 505 Kit, and maybe more but I`m not sure. He also has Two different Cams, the XC and MX. Tom will do anything. Give him a Call at 814-723-3514.

[Blake24]

is he expensive??

how much am i lookin at for the whole shebang

[Dave400ex]

Tom`s Prices are not Bad. I think he is Cheap for how Good his Stuff is. What Kit are you looking at? What Bore, what do you wante Done, Etc?

[Blake24]

iam looking at the 416 or the 440.......i want like the whole works......

[Dave400ex]

What kind of Riding do yo do? I know the Full 416 MX Kit is around $1500. I`m not sure what the 440 Kit costs. Tom only says to use the 440 on a all out Race Quad though so you might not want that. He also has a 425 Kit.

[Blake24]

then i would prolly want the 416.......

[Blake24]

how much is the TC full exhaust for the ex............

[Dave400ex]

Yeah I would Call TC and ask about the 416 Kit. Tom will hook you up. TC does not make a Full Exhaust. He likes the Stock Headers the Best. The TC Slip-On Pipe is $319.

[Blake24]

got a pic??

[Dave400ex]

No I don`t Sorry. If I could Figure out how to get our Scanner to Work I could get one Posted. Chadexer has a Picture.

[Blake24]

CHADex'er........if u see this.....please post a pic of the TC exhaust..thx alot man

[Blake24]

anyone have a pic of that tc pipe???

[Dave400ex]

PM Chadexer. I know he has a Picture.

[flying400ex]

Could sombody find out how much tom charges for the 440? Why would you want it only for a full race quad? It will make alot more power but still can be ridden slow.

[ChadEXer]

I cant find that pic of the TC pipe. I think I deleted it off my computer. I searched "TC Pipe" in Yahoo and I found a pic of it on another guys bike. I will have pics of mine as soon as i get it!

here's a pic of a tc racing pipe on some goof balls quad..:D

[ogryan400ex]

hey

what all comes with the 416 race kit? i want to turn my ex into a 416 here in the future but i can only spend 400 bucks on it. do you guys think i can get a kit for about that price with everything included(bore job, piston kit, gaskets, cam i think i want a xr400 or if you guys know of a better one let me know, i just want a drop in and i dont really want to get new valve springs if i dont have to) i mostly ride mx but i also trail ride.
thanks for any feed back:D

[ChadEXer]

Without porting and polishing and stuff you could get close to that! but I would reccomend getting it done while its apart!

[Dave400ex]

Chad what did Tom tell you about the 440?

[ChadEXer]

I didnt really talk to him much about the 440. i told him first thing i wanted to go big. All he really said is that the 440 is a true race engine and he reccomends the 425 if you will be mostly play riding!!

[Zero Z400]

I don't see why TC is so much better or engine builder is. The only thing I can see is in the carb and in the porting and polishing. But boring can be done at local car shops. Or any other place you might know of. Can someone tell what makes one engine builders engine faster than others?

[ChadEXer]

On a good big bore engine,,the porting work alone can be the life or death of your motor. these engine builders have flow benches and know exactly how to port them to make them the fastest!! there are all kinds of "tricks" that engine builders use and test to make their quads the fastest!!!!

[NJ300ex]

Is your local machine shop familiar with the 400ex engine? I would bet not. thats why engine builders are also better. They know everything there is to know about your engine. Do you want a Vespa mechanic working on your your V8? I think not. Sure the basics of engines are the same but everything else is different.

[Dave400ex]

Some of you Guys might think you can just have anybody do your Motor Work, but I bet if you put a Local Built Motor againist one of TC`s Motors it would get Killed. Everything Tom does is Built around everything on his Motor Package.

[Blake24]

so does anyone have prices for the full 425 or 416 with pipe and everything.......

[Chef]

I've got a local built motor...and i can honestly say that the TC 465 has nothing on it....or sparks...you know how TrX465's sig says 60 rwhp? My bike was dynoed last week at 58 on gas...

[Sandragggen]

The only difference between guys like Sparks...TC and reputable locals is that they have high profiled guys winning on there motors period. Advertising is the name of the game. Coke and Pepsi battle this out constantly. There are alot of local guys in your neighborhood that could build motors just as good but don't have Doug Gust riding their machines. Alot more could be said but you get the jest.

[ChadEXer]

yeah but you know what! Doug Gust came to Tom for motor work,,Tom didnt go to Doug! Same with all his riders,,just ask him
Alky I know your bike is prolly fast and all but you will never know until you line it up against somebody elses. I believe TRX465 got that HP number from a formula so who knows what it really is! Also i remember reading your reciept you posted a while back and you were charged twice as much as Im paying Tom to do my 505!! Also didnt TRX465 buy the a few parts from sparks and have the motor work done somewhere else???

Brittany Spears didnt go to Pepsi,,they came to her!!!!!

Originally posted by Blake24
so does anyone have prices for the full 425 or 416 with pipe and everything.......

From TC racing your lookin around $1,500.00 for a 416 kit..

[knighttime]

For about $300 you can have the kick-*** Marcum's ATV 416SS.

I'm sure TC racing is good, but just not that good.

[Chef]

Maybe you didnt understand my post...The sparks bike didnt stand a chance...and I was running gas! TrX said he got that hp on a dyno, in southern california somewhere. He got 60 with alcohol, i was only 2 horsepower short and i was running race gas! If would have known about fourstroke wars, i would have been there!

And about mine costing twice as much as yours, its probably because he had seen a motor just like mine destroy itself because of too much compression and the valve springs couldnt take it. He made stiffer valve springs than anyone had ever heard of for it, and high comp head studs, and the whole clutch kit from hinson, and the carillo rod, and a whole new crank, and he did something to the cases to make sure they wouldn't split when i throttled it. We had the piston custom made to take it....maybe thats why it costed twice as much?

[ChadEXer]

Thats still shouldnt make it more, Tom makes his pistons custom, hes putting stiffer valves in mine, he builds his own rods(which he says are much better than the carrilo rods) he is strengthening my crank(you really have to with a stroke), he is putting the complete hinson setup in mine, and a lot of other stuff i prolly dont even know about!!!
Tom can do it so much cheaper because he has done it a million times. he can build a motor prolly in 1/10th the time of local builders with his eyes closed!!! he doesnt waste any time or parts!

[ChadEXer]

I dont live very far from Shreveport,LA,,where Highlifter is,,when i get my bike back together i will be going down there to see what it does on the dyno!!

[Chef]

Mine was gone about a month...maybe 6 weeks, how long has tom had yours?

[Evan]

Hey Chad,
when I talked to tom he said that the larger valves do nothing for the engine since they are only 1mm larger, said he likes the stock ones best:huh Also he said that the stiffer valve springs and the larger valves would only add un-needed friction to the motor. Sounds like you or I am getting the runaround, or else he is just taking your money:D Some of the things he said didnt jive with what I have heard in the past, maybe he does make fast engines but I think a comparatively built sparks or duncan, etc would be just as fast or maybe faster. The reason he is getting such a big name is he is doing all the work relatively cheap, and selling cheap carbs so it looks like you are getting a good deal. Something else, you said that he said the 425 was good for playing and the 440 was for racing,,,, he told me that the 416 was for playing and a 425 was for MX racing.

[Blake24]

is it much more for the 425.......and does that kit include a new carb???

[NJ300ex]

The price rico listed was for a whole full blown race pagkage. the 425 with the same stuff should only be about $100 more.

[Dave400ex]

This Post is not to compare the Engine Builders. TC is one of the Best.

The 425 Kit Tom told me about was only a 425 Piston, XC Cam, and his Pipe. That is his XC Motor though. I know the MX 416 Kit is around $1500. He could put Parts together to make a Motor for you. I wouldn`t get a Carb from Tom though. Save and get a 39mm FCR Carb.

[Blake24]

what kind of carbs does he sell?

[Dave400ex]

Tom uses and Sells the Lectrons.

[flying400ex]

Yes, who really is the best engine builder?

[Evan]

Proably Sparks, at least he has the reputation for being the best. He won engine builder of the year, if that means anything.

A 425 shouldnt be anymore than a 416, he told me the cost of the piston was the same no matter the bore.

Tom does stuff cheaper so more people buy his stuff so there are more of his engines out there than anyother builders so that is how he is getting a reputation. His engine work is proably good for the money, but I dont think it would be better than someone like sparks or Duncan.

[ChadEXer]

Alky, Tom has had my motor for about 5 weeks now. he said he will be done by the end of this month!!!

X-rider, Tom also told me the same things about the valves on the 416 and 425, but said when you get into applications like mine(505) then thats when they are needed. He said the 416 and 425 kits dont respond to them as well and i remember something about friction also. I didnt talk much 416 or 425 to Tom, i told him right away I want to go big!
Tom does the very same thing as the other builders at a better price. there is nothing that Tom is leaving out on my motor that any other builder told me they do(keep in mind i talked to EVERY builder)

As far as Sparks being the best,,i agree Sparks builds 1 helluva fast bike but i didnt send him my motor for a reason. Sparks told me quote " you will eventually have problems with this motor"(refering to the 465) And "we dont build a 505 anymore because the cases kept splitting" Sorry I just could see myself sending him my motor knowing it "will" have problems!!
Yes i could have problems out of this TC 505, which could happen to any big bore, but Tom says i have absolutely nothing to worry about and as long as I change the oil regurly and adjust valves accordingly I will have a good motor for a long time!!

Tom is getting a big name beacuse the pro riders are coming to him, Tom and i discussed this yesterday, Doug Gust came to Tom,,Dana Creech came to Tom,,,Tom didnt go looking for the pros,,they came to him....If that doesnt explain it that what does???

You know,,,all in all I am very happy that I sent my motor to Tom, No matter who you send it to you will always have that thought "should I have sent it somewhere else, could i have made it faster with another builder for the same money" and so on. As you can see i am really fond of Tom and a lot of the time I get very defensive for him,,,he!! what do you expect,,he has my motor and my money!!! I will be in total denial when something bad is ever said about Tom!!! I only want to believe the best and thats the same you all are towards the things you like!!!! When i get his motor back, put it out there on my drag strip, and ride the piss out of it, then i will know if all this defense for Tom will be worth it:D if Tom lets me down,,,i will have to beat him!!!

[Sandragggen]

:o

I will be in total denial when something bad is ever said about Tom!!!


What's up with this?

Tom was building motors when you were crapping in your pants. Why do you feel like you have to defend him? Is he sponsoring you in some way? Damn Chad, take your tongue out of his butt....It's making your breath stink.

[ChadEXer]

Read what i said man. he has my motor and my money so I will only believe the good things:D
If someone had a couple thousand of your dollars, you would only want to believe the best said of them too wouldnt you?!!!!
If I believed everything said about engine builders than I would have just kepy my motor and my money!

[Sandragggen]

I could care less what someone else says about them as long as they build me a good motor. TC is a good builder and most people know this, but why would you care what someone says about him?

[ChadEXer]

I guess I care what people say because I trust Tom!! i guess i feel if I trust him everyone else should too,,which isnt right! Everyone has their opinion about everything and I guess i like to stress my opinion a little strong sometimes!! I just follow strongly in what i believe in and i think everybody else has the right to do so and they should do so!!!

Is this TC guy Tom Cruise???? I didn't know he dealt with fo wheela's.??:confused: :devil

[ChadEXer]

Rico is nuts:D

[Tommy 17]

no rico its not tom cruise its ME!!!!! haha my names tom christopher litavish and tc sounded better then tl so i went with tc... :D haha i wish i really was tc racing owner

[Dave400ex]

Yeah TC is good and we all know it. We don`t need to Argue about that. Have whoever you want Build your Motor.

[ChadEXer]

I just got off the phone with TC! This is starting to make me mad. its not like i wasnt told it would happen but Tom says he still has 10 jobs ahead of me. he said he does about 3-4 per week. Which means it will be about 3-4 more weeks before i get it. What a b!tch!!
"good things come to those who wait" Chad just settle down!!
At least its not taking 9-10 months like Sparks does!!!

Figure this, Tom does 3-4 motors per week,, he probably averages about say $1200+ on each motor. Tom is making about $3600-4800 per week!!!!
but you figure, my motor cost $2800 and he will still do about 3 others that week. I bet he is rollin'!!!!

[chris29]

Yeah Im sure toms doing pretty well money wise.

[Rastus]

Id get someone local to do it. And is someone you know pretty well.Some strange builders might to get money out of stuff they didnt even do. Price and avertisement is why TC gets motor work done.As for that 505 kit, it will wear out faster than you think.Just think about it for a second.None of the other guys want to do it because they dont want to be held liable if something breaks, etc.And, if they reinforce it ,it will cost more, while TC can do it because he has more influence in the market, and can reinforce it for cheaper.
Anyway, if i was going to get it done, I would get it done by someone that you know relatively good.

Just my 2 cents.

[Evan]

Well maybe Tom is a good engine builder but his pick of carbs suck! I mean literally. I raced tonight and watched this friend of mine who has a full TC 440 get a DNF b/c of that lousy lectron. He had his best run going, since he got the holeshot(1st time out 4 races, I usally beat him) well he was running good then started slipping back, I was in 4th I think, he was in front of me, I was working on getting around him when he just stopped. I was like wtf. well he had to be pulled to the pits, where we looked it over and found that the carb had slipped from the intake boot and was sucking air. He has never liked the carb since it idles up when it wants to, along with other problems. Its done this b4 too. Needless to say I am going to sell the lectron on ebay for him and he is taking the money to get a 39mmFCR.
Now Chad since all you do is drag racing, this carb might be fine for you if you like tinkering with it and never jump. Just letting anyone know what can go wrong with a quad will go wrong at a race. I will be getting a MX cam and JE425 high comp piston and a FCR carb. I may get the cam and piston from TC but not sure just yet. Sounds like you get a deal on FCR from sparks, 450 with the cable.

they have a 1000cc, 276cc, 400 1/2cc, & 98;765cc kits

[Dave400ex]

X-Rider, The Carb may not be Good, but if you are going to get a 425 Piston and Cam then I would go TC. TC is very happy about the 425. He thinks it`s way better then any 416. Get a FCR Carb with that and it will Rip.

[Sandragggen]

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. The more you talk about things the more someone will find fault.......for what ever reason. Nuff said.

[ChadEXer]

Well go to the Lectron or FCR carb post and look how everyone jumped on X-rider,,just because his buddy(that he probably dont know anyway) didnt know how to install his carb properly, it slipped out,,,now the lectron is the worst carb in the world!!!:rolleyes:
Again about the advertisement for Tom,,,like i said Tom is getting advertisement because word got out that he builds one of the fastest damned motors in the country,,,the pros started coming to Tom,,he didnt go looking for them!!

[Evan]

So I dont know my own friend well how do you know that MR.Hearsay? The lectron may not be the worst but it defintly aint the best. If Tom told you to use the FCR I bet you would do it.

I think Tom did a good job in the movie Top Gun..:huh

[ChadEXer]

Of course i would do what Tom says,,he is the best damned engine builder in the country!!!
Rico,,your nuts:D

[Dave400ex]

If I get a Carb it will be a FCR. I like TC, but when it comes to Carbs the FCR will be the only one I buy.