Molycoating now available

[Pappy]

In an effort to expand my favorite hobby I have now added Molycoating to my list of things.

This is a process where in a dry film lubricant containing molybdenum disulfide is applied to metal parts. (pistons, valve train components, swing arm pivot bolts and sleeves, sprockets, clutch hubs and just about anything else you can think of)

The purpose of this material is to permanently embed molybdenum disulfide particles (moly as it’s more commonly known) into a part so that it always remains lubricated. It doesnt matter if its coated in oil or grease it still does its job.

This process also will act as a heat barrier aiding in longevity of parts life.

Tolorence isnt an issue as this material can be buffed down with 000 steel wool but shouldnt be necassary. Even if the part is buffed down the moly will be permanetly embedded in the material so it remains protected.

Prices will vary from part to part and as always the amount of prep work is usually the leading dictator of the price. all parts are phosphate coated to insure there is a positive rust/corrosion barrier.


Pistons $35
pivot bolts $20
bearing sleeves $20 per set
sprockets fronts $12 rears $18
a arms sleeves $20 set
auto pistol barrels $45

The color will be a mute machine grey. this process isnt for looks but for protection. Even if the color is worn away over time it is still protecting your parts!

feel free to ask me any questions or pm me for qoutes and shipping information.

[JDiablo]

pappy can you do this on pistons and camshafts>

[Pappy]

yes, pistons can be done. i have spoken with several engine builders who all positively endorse this type of process.

i am almost positive camshafts can be done. i forgot to ask but seeing that the cam installation grease usually supplied with a new cam contains moly i dont think there should be any concerns. i will make note to include this question when i speak to my supplier tomarrow.

[JDiablo]

camshafts:D

[YLW400]

Since it can be applied to pistons, I assume the heat tolerance is pretty high? Like for maybe... a set of drag pipes?..lol

[Pappy]

i know that the other product used in this line is good to 500 degree's, but i dont remeber seeing a heat limit on this product. basically your piston will melt before your could burn this off.

[JDiablo]

sounds pretty good,so pappy do i need to send you money for my parts?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 300exrida
sounds pretty good,so pappy do i need to send you money for my parts?

nope..i got you covered on the parts i molycoated for you:D

[JDiablo]

Originally posted by Pappy
nope..i got you covered on the parts i molycoated for you:D

NARLY!!!

[Rico]

do the parts need to be new for this to be done??? Like a 2 year old pivot bolt for example, that was not seized up but still not smooth to the touch..

[Pappy]

nope, i have already done several pivot bolts and sleeves that have been in use. some of them were pitted but by proper prep and the phosphate coating the damage has been stopped and now will remain protected. the biggest issue with the pivot bolt is that it cant be lubed without disassembly. i cant say 100% that this will cure that but im pretty confident.

[Pappy]

this is 300exrida's bolt. not sure how long it was in use but he can tell you what it looked like before:p

[Pappy]

close up

[Pappy]

there is no need to mask off threads or the heads of bolts. mine showed no installation signs after i cranked her down

[Taco]

interesting:cool:

[JDiablo]

that bolt looked like chit,lol looks sweet now,it was all rusty ehh,looks good:cool:

[Toadz400]

I want to be clear on something, say you were to run low on oil accidentally sometime...like you're leaking or some scenario like that, would this help protect against seizing?

[Pappy]

i dont believe it would prevent engine failure in the event of a no oil situation. i geuss it could be said that the increased lubrication properties could in effect help in a low oil situation but i wouldnt bank on anything.

from what ive read and studied its more of a product that will decrease wear, increase corrosion resistance and offer unlimited lubricity:eek2: i think i just learned a new word:p

[Dave400ex]

Seems like a good all around product. Might have to check in to it next quad.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by Pappy
from what ive read and studied its more of a product that will decrease wear, increase corrosion resistance and offer unlimited lubricity:eek2: i think i just learned a new word:p

Wow, I would think you'd know all about that word Pappy!:blah:

I might have to send you a piston and some other parts if I ever do a rebuild this winter.

[Pappy]

all kinds of uses. im hooked:p

[JDiablo]

what are those pappy?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 300exrida
what are those pappy?

stock 450r tie rods powdercoated black , then the threads were molycoated:eek2:

[Admin]

I can see many of my parts molycoated now:cool:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
I can see many of my parts molycoated now:cool:

no doubt:devil:

[YLW400]

I am digging that flat look...

[Hammer trx450r]

Hey Pappy got a question. What can i expect my downtime would be if iwere to send you some things from NJ. And is there a time of yr that you are slow and i could get it done faster? We don't really stop riding all yr round so "winter rebuild" doesnt really mean much to me. Thanks

Probably be the normal a-arm sleeves and pivot bolt, etc.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
Hey Pappy got a question. What can i expect my downtime would be if iwere to send you some things from NJ. And is there a time of yr that you are slow and i could get it done faster? We don't really stop riding all yr round so "winter rebuild" doesnt really mean much to me. Thanks

Probably be the normal a-arm sleeves and pivot bolt, etc.

down time on this process is very very short. literally overnight in most cases. the prep is the same as powdercoating to an extent but being that the parts are not coated with any type of substance it speeds up the entire deal. i can open a box of parts and have them back in the box a few hours later ready to ship.

[JDiablo]

I can see many uses for this on my quad now,umm let me think

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 300exrida
I can see many uses for this on my quad now,umm let me think

send me your spindles

[Hammer trx450r]

well then it looks as if we will be doing some bussiness. I wonder how loctite will stick to the threads

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
well then it looks as if we will be doing some bussiness. I wonder how loctite will stick to the threads

it should do ok...but if its a concern i can mask off the threads.

[Hammer trx450r]

Pappy you should put a list together of parts that could use this process and make a package deal.

[Hammer trx450r]

I wonder if since they are molycoated will dirt just rinse off easier. If thats the case ill be sending my whole 450r to you;)

[Hammer trx450r]

Sorry for all the questions but I'm really interested in it. You said sent spindles, does it work with aluminum?

[Pappy]

well, i really dont know what all applications this can be beneficial on or i gladly would:p

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
Sorry for all the questions but I'm really interested in it. You said sent spindles, does it work with aluminum?

it works on any ferrous or non ferrous material. with regard to spindles, i was thinking the spindle shaft gets nasty and pited over time so it would be a decent area for this product

[Hammer trx450r]

;)

[Hammer trx450r]

Its a shame you cant do a axle bearing or any bearing for that matter.

[Hammer trx450r]

I think you'll make a killing on the a-arm sleeves. You'd be crazy not to get it done.

[300exOH]

Could you do the a arm bushings and shock bushings?

[Pappy]

i guess if they designed the bearing with a coating similiar to this it would work..but im not an engineer so i can only geuss:p

i have a few local guys that run junior dragsters and they have uses for this so ill see what thier expierence has been and see if its applicable to quads.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 300exOH
Could you do the a arm bushings and shock bushings?

as long as they are metal in construction yes. i did a few sets of the busing sleeves and they installed easily. i am hoping they may extend the bushing life but cant say until i get some time on the quad etc.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Pappy
as long as they are metal in construction yes. i did a few sets of the busing sleeves and they installed easily. i am hoping they may extend the bushing life but cant say until i get some time on the quad etc.

Did you do the bushings on your quad? If it works out I'll definately have a handful of bolts and bushings for you.

[Pappy]

the aftermarket arms i have only use a metal sleeve that slides into a resin bushing.

the stock 450R arms use all metal (aluminum) bushings ...ill do my stock set and see if someone wants to run them and see how they do.

[Hammer trx450r]

Yeah he is scareing me with "bushings". Are u telling me you can do a bearing?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
Yeah he is scareing me with "bushings". Are u telling me you can do a bearing?

no, your typical bearing cant be done. bearings require certain amounts of "shear" (i believe thats the term) and coating them may affect how they preform. in theory i imagine there could be benfits but i am far from an expert so i can only speculate.


some resins can be treated and cured using this method. i wouldnt recommend it on any that ive seen on a quad but they are out there. this process does require a cure at 325 degrees for an hour so the part must be able to withstand the temperature.

[300exOH]

I have burgard arms so I guess I could only do the pivot bolts

[Pappy]

i run burgards also and i did my sleeves.

if i have a spare set of sleeves ill do them and send a set out for you to try

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Pappy
i run burgards also and i did my sleeves.

if i have a spare set of sleeves ill do them and send a set out for you to try

That would be great. I can test their light duty wear characteristics:eek2: :o

[Hammer trx450r]

Originally posted by 300exOH
That would be great. I can test their light duty wear characteristics:eek2: :o

Dude thats funny, thanks for the laugh

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
Dude thats funny, thanks for the laugh

:devil:

[Doibugu2]

What about brake pads? Mine wear out real fast:devil:

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
What about brake pads? Mine wear out real fast:devil:

Brakes wear less when you aren't using them:devil:
J/K

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
What about brake pads? Mine wear out real fast:devil:

backing plates are coated in formula one cars, nascars etc to aid in heat disappation. i dont think it would help a quad but i could be wrong:p

[ZRider400]

hmmmm i think i'll have you do my 450r swingarm pivot bolt this winter....

i havnt taken it out yet, and have had the quad for 6 months....i hope its not seized in there:o