September 8th

[400exrules]

Tomorrow is September 8th, get ready to see wut honda has for us :eek:

[theTman]

:D

[Punk'd]

ahh yes the countdown:D

[Sportrax10]

Maybe a new style Rancher... :macho

:o

:D

recon in oarnge with hydraulic brakes and shocks with ressies

[310Rduner]

Hmm.. is it going up at Midnight? Or like 5pm tomorrow. I just wanna see what they are going to do with the 400ex, and see how serious they are about the Trx and racing. If they don't come out with competitive updates for the trx, and only a new color.. then f8ck honda, because they will never balls up and get competitive for racing again if they don't start soon.:rolleyes:

[jokerman_28]

ah yes. brings back memories of last year. i believe it was september 10th or 11th. the drama...

[YFZ450Ridr]

im pretty excited to see what the 400ex looks like cuz i like the old ones and if thier doin improvements on them then i should love the new ones. maby for my b-day my daddy will buy me one;)

[hondarider2006]

Originally posted by 400exrules
Tomorrow is September 8th, get ready to see wut honda has for us :eek:


lets only hope for the best.....:p

[newts400ex]

im stooked i hope its nice

[400exrules]

im excited to see wut they do to the 400ex. Ill be suprised if they do anything major like, trx style plastics maybe. Some ppl just love the 400ex for the way it is

[Bush0102]

I'm predicting a TRX650R, a new rubicon, the same 450R (the only change this year will be the new black plastic), and maybe a few changes on the 400EX (maybe black plastic, front shocks with rezzies like the '05 z400).

[250EXking]

ah yes member last year all of us sitting here talking about the new 450, tempers were flaring and anticapation was high, those were some good times..... lol

[gncc400exxx]

I'd like to see a 50 mini

[Syrus]

Originally posted by 250EXking
ah yes member last year all of us sitting here talking about the new 450, tempers were flaring and anticapation was high, those were some good times..... lol

Calm down, dont cream yourself :macho

[Fast250EX]

I would personally like to see a 4x4 Recon for '05. I would certainly buy it. I think a lightweight sporty 4x4 would be a great seller, and what better to base it off of than the Recon.

Manufacturers have seemed to forget about the large market for entry-level quads, and have gone for the bigger quads. This is great news for racing and all that good stuff, but the average Joe isn't gonna blow 7K on his first quad. An entry level, sporty 4x4 would be an excellent seller in my opinion.

-F250EX

[YFZ450Ridr]

Originally posted by Fast250EX
I would personally like to see a 4x4 Recon for '05. I would certainly buy it. I think a lightweight sporty 4x4 would be a great seller, and what better to base it off of than the Recon.

Manufacturers have seemed to forget about the large market for entry-level quads, and have gone for the bigger quads. This is great news for racing and all that good stuff, but the average Joe isn't gonna blow 7K on his first quad. An entry level, sporty 4x4 would be an excellent seller in my opinion.

-F250EX

i think id have to agree with jsut about all of that, sounds like a good idea.

[MY450R]

where do you go to see the new product and how do you know when this info is available

[rollie]

well...its the 8th and my last day of summer....i hope honda makes me a happy person for my last day.....i'd like to see a TRX650...it wont happen but a CRF250 based engine in a redesigned 300ex frame with better looking plastics.....that'd be sweet:)

wheres the info? i dont see it on there site...

[trx440]

The Honda show!! It's like the first day of bow season in PA! The first weekend of College or NFL football! The first day of March Madness! or the world famous gizzard festival in Dothan, Alabama. I took today off because I am the biggest Honda fan in the world! I do it every year! I can't wait for the trx650exr! It's gonna have 58hp and smoke everything! The new trx250fr is only going to weigh 295lbs and have a generation 4 aluminum frame like the CR and Jeremy McGrath is gonna race that QUAD against the bikes in this winter's THQ supercross series. My sources say he turned 3 second faster lap times than Carmicheal did on his crf450!! WOW!! Now I am gonna go take my medication and catch a little nap, but if anybody hears ANYTHING, you guys have to my promise that you'll call my Doctor!

[bansheeguy77]

Originally posted by trx440
The Honda show!! It's like the first day of bow season in PA! The first weekend of College or NFL football! The first day of March Madness! or the world famous gizzard festival in Dothan, Alabama. I took today off because I am the biggest Honda fan in the world! I do it every year! I can't wait for the trx650exr! It's gonna have 58hp and smoke everything! The new trx250fr is only going to weigh 295lbs and have a generation 4 aluminum frame like the CR and Jeremy McGrath is gonna race that QUAD against the bikes in this winter's THQ supercross series. My sources say he turned 3 second faster lap times than Carmicheal did on his crf450!! WOW!! Now I am gonna go take my medication and catch a little nap, but if anybody hears ANYTHING, you guys have to my promise that you'll call my Doctor!

sweet! mc is gonna kick some *** on that new quad. did you see the new 600? has the crotch rocket motor in it, with 14 inches of travel and only weighs in at 191.334 lbs :D :D :D

[rollie]

soooooo...when will we knooow the new models!!!!????:confused: :D

[lukester720]

When does the show start?

[rollie]

i think its all day so we prob wont know until tommorow........hopefully we'll know tonight!!:D

[atvrider12764]

some people get to see it at 6 30 and the rest have to wait til they go on hondas website at i think 8 30 or 9 tonight

[kwatts400]

HRCA members get to see it from 630 to 930 pacific time. After that it will be on the normal website.

[400exrules]

Originally posted by kwatts400
HRCA members get to see it from 630 to 930 pacific time. After that it will be on the normal website.

WOOT ill def. be stayin up tonight :D :D

[One_Bad_400]

that would be sweet if they came back with the 250r for one year, that think would be a hit, i just might get it insted of the yfz or 450r

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
that would be sweet if they came back with the 250r for one year, that think would be a hit, i just might get it insted of the yfz or 450r

That would entail honda growing balls again, and building a bike as fast as they honestly could, ala crf450.

[Guy400]

The moderators here get a sneak peak at the upcoming models.

400EX will get reverse next year with a change to the plastic.
450R gets a hotter cam, 1-1/4" longer swinger, freer-flowing head and "retuned exhaust and intake" for 2006.
TRX650R powered by the XR650R engine with typical tweaks to make it more quad friendly.
Rincon goes 800cc twin.

Then some chit about road bikes that I didn't pay attention to. If another mod sees this I'm sure they'll have more details that I may have missed. We weren't allowed to lift pics however, you'll have to wait for Honda to publish them.

[250EXking]

Originally posted by Guy400
The moderators here get a sneak peak at the upcoming models.

400EX will get reverse next year with a change to the plastic.
450R gets a hotter cam, 1-1/4" longer swinger, freer-flowing head and "retuned exhaust and intake" for 2006.
TRX650R powered by the XR650R engine with typical tweaks to make it more quad friendly.
Rincon goes 800cc twin.

Then some chit about road bikes that I didn't pay attention to. If another mod sees this I'm sure they'll have more details that I may have missed. We weren't allowed to lift pics however, you'll have to wait for Honda to publish them.

thats sweet stuff sounds like we are in for a treat.

[Smokin 440]

Originally posted by Guy400
The moderators here get a sneak peak at the upcoming models.

400EX will get reverse next year with a change to the plastic.
450R gets a hotter cam, 1-1/4" longer swinger, freer-flowing head and "retuned exhaust and intake" for 2006.
TRX650R powered by the XR650R engine with typical tweaks to make it more quad friendly.
Rincon goes 800cc twin.

Then some chit about road bikes that I didn't pay attention to. If another mod sees this I'm sure they'll have more details that I may have missed. We weren't allowed to lift pics however, you'll have to wait for Honda to publish them.

I call b.s., it would all be too good to be true especially saying i have been wanting for a 650 for years....

[lol]

Originally posted by Smokin 440
I call b.s., it would all be too good to be true especially saying i have been wanting for a 650 for years....

u call b.s. yet he is a moderator and could ban u in two seconds when he feels like it:o

[rollie]

Originally posted by Guy400
The moderators here get a sneak peak at the upcoming models.

400EX will get reverse next year with a change to the plastic.
450R gets a hotter cam, 1-1/4" longer swinger, freer-flowing head and "retuned exhaust and intake" for 2006.
TRX650R powered by the XR650R engine with typical tweaks to make it more quad friendly.
Rincon goes 800cc twin.

Then some chit about road bikes that I didn't pay attention to. If another mod sees this I'm sure they'll have more details that I may have missed. We weren't allowed to lift pics however, you'll have to wait for Honda to publish them.

ooooooooooooo man i hope thats true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol


i want to see the 650R..i hope its more of an MX racer and wide rather than like the raptor:eek: :D

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Guy400
The moderators here get a sneak peak at the upcoming models.

400EX will get reverse next year with a change to the plastic.
450R gets a hotter cam, 1-1/4" longer swinger, freer-flowing head and "retuned exhaust and intake" for 2006.
TRX650R powered by the XR650R engine with typical tweaks to make it more quad friendly.
Rincon goes 800cc twin.

Then some chit about road bikes that I didn't pay attention to. If another mod sees this I'm sure they'll have more details that I may have missed. We weren't allowed to lift pics however, you'll have to wait for Honda to publish them.

you mean next year as in 2005 right?

[Smokin 440]

Originally posted by lol
u call b.s. yet he is a moderator and could ban u in two seconds when he feels like it:o

Well it seems too good to be true, so im not gonna get my hopes up, ill believe it when i see it 1st hand...

"i want to see the 650R..i hope its more of an MX racer and wide rather than like the raptor"

If anything it wont be an mx machine, thats what the 450r is for...

[Guy400]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
you mean next year as in 2005 right? All models mentioned above will see these changes for 2005. The upgrades for the 450R won't be seen until 2006. All you get for 2005 is black plastic.

[rollie]

pics pics pics pics!! lol:) :cool:

[hondarider2006]

Originally posted by nacsracer12
pics pics pics pics!! lol:) :cool:


yeah no joke, I wanna see these beasts:devil:

[250EXking]

later tonite check honda's web page and ********.com, but my guess is that they will be up sometime tomorrow.:rolleyes:

[Punk'd]

Maybe I should of waited on my 450r:eek:

[JDiablo]

Originally posted by Punk'd
Maybe I should of waited on my 450r:eek:

if they do come out with that...just think you aint the only one going to be feeling like that

[newts400ex]

i had a feelin that honda was comin out with something with alot of cc i made a post about ti the other night and i had to take it down cz people were sayin i was nuts so ha i was right

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by 300exrida
if they do come out with that...just think you aint the only one going to be feeling like that

he was there so that means they are:rolleyes:

[Sportrax10]

Originally posted by Punk'd
Maybe I should of waited on my 450r:eek:

Just mod it up with aftermarket parts...:macho

[TGW_400ex]

uhhh why was my post delelted but his wasnt?

[Guy400]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
uhhh why was my post delelted but his wasnt? It was a minute ago...

Not only that, he didn't post a picture of someone pointing a nail gun at someone's head.

[rollie]

arent they gonan be up at 9:30?!?!?!?! its 9:13 lol i cant wait i wanna see um tonight!!!!!!!but when honda came out with the 450R it was here on exriders before it was on the honda sight so...........we might not see it for a while if honda doesnt update there site:) :eek:

[JDiablo]

ill delete mine as well:o

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Guy400
It was a minute ago...

Not only that, he didn't post a picture of someone pointing a nail gun at someone's head.

I just want to point out they were dummys

[JDiablo]

ahh i can see SGA alreayd did that,thanks:)

[440exnacsracer]

guys, guys stop arguing.....you sound like a bunch of retards fighting on the internet.....in the end your both still dumb:blah: :D

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by 440exnacsracer
guys, guys stop arguing.....you sound like a bunch of retards fighting on the internet.....in the end your both still dumb:blah: :D

like you?:eek2:



playin

[Punk'd]

Back to the topic.. IS IT TIME YET?!?!?!?!

[theTman]

9:32

NO NEW HONDAS:grr:

[TGW_400ex]

alrite I garuntee someone on this site has pics!!!

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
alrite I garuntee someone on this site has pics!!!

Pappy................ Spit it out!:blah:

[Fred55]

It's Time!

[JDiablo]

Originally posted by theTman
9:32

NO NEW HONDAS:grr:


lol you should all here how pissed he is on AIM:devil:

[rollie]

i have a feeling we wont know till tomorow....:(

[Giz400ex]

I agree with everything else except the 650r!:confused: That wouldn't make any sense? Ever since Yamaha and Honda came out with the 450's, I've seen a TON!!!! of 660's for sale in our want ad digest. The 660's to me are a waste now!!! If its true, there making the 400 w/reverse which is great, for 2006 there beefing up the 450r which is great and the rincon going 800 which will be a crazy ***** 4x4. I don't see the room for a 650 sport quad:confused: Yes, I could be wrong but I wouldn't understand it:) But, I would like to see that price tag on that Rincon:D

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by 300exrida
lol you should all here how pissed he is on AIM:devil:

Honda Rida 55: 4 min 4 min 4 min
Honda Rida 55: 2 min
Honda Rida 55: omg
Honda Rida 55: im like
Honda Rida 55: flinching
Honda Rida 55: so bad
Honda Rida 55: ahh the twitching
Honda Rida 55: COMON CLOCK MOVE
Honda Rida 55: it froze
Honda Rida 55: haha
Honda Rida 55: 9 ******BEEP***** 30

I witnessed :p

[JDiablo]

Originally posted by Punk'd
Honda Rida 55: 4 min 4 min 4 min
Honda Rida 55: 2 min
Honda Rida 55: omg
Honda Rida 55: im like
Honda Rida 55: flinching
Honda Rida 55: so bad
Honda Rida 55: ahh the twitching
Honda Rida 55: COMON CLOCK MOVE
Honda Rida 55: it froze
Honda Rida 55: haha
Honda Rida 55: 9 ******BEEP***** 30

I witnessed :p


lmao same exact thing,although it was every 30 seconds

[Fred55]

400ex DOES havfe reverse and new gear ratios!

[honda92]

if i knew how to post a pic i would show you, but the 400ex looks just like the 450r, and has reverse and a all new gear ratio.

[JDiablo]

send them to me ASAP devilsfan12@aol.com

[PWM_330EX]

Who can I email the 400 picture to post it?

[Guy400]

What? No 800cc V-twin Rincon and no TRX650R???



LMFAO:devil:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by honda92
if i knew how to post a pic i would show you, but the 400ex looks just like the 450r, and has reverse and a all new gear ratio.

DUDE! email it to me!
z400punk13@Yahoo.com

[Fred55]

http://atv.hrca.honda.com/images/model/c028_029_030_031_photos_all/atvs/2005/TRX400EX/LargeHoriz/TRX400EX_large_01.jpg

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Fred55
http://atv.hrca.honda.com/images/model/c028_029_030_031_photos_all/atvs/2005/TRX400EX/LargeHoriz/TRX400EX_large_01.jpg

:confused:

noooo the dreaded red X

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Guy400
What? No 800cc V-twin Rincon and no TRX650R???



LMFAO:devil:


Alrite im lost

[JDiablo]

Originally posted by sEX
noooo the dreaded red X

i feel your pain:eek:

[Bubba]

Originally posted by Guy400
What? No 800cc V-twin Rincon and no TRX650R???



LMFAO:devil:

haha, Mods get a first look...hahah:blah:

[Guy400]

Fred, save the pic to your hard drive and then PM me for my email address and I'll post the pic for you if you're not a patron.

[Punk'd]

AHHHHHHHHHH the suspence!!

[dirtyboy88]

why cant yall post a pic its only 8:54 out here, PLEASE!!!!

[rollie]

Originally posted by sEX
noooo the dreaded red X

lmao.....i wanna see these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D lol

wtf is going on? :confused:

[gncc400exxx]

1

[JDiablo]

ok guys hold your balls

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
wtf is going on? :confused:

The one with the pics doesnt know how to post pictures :(

I HOPE HES NOT B/SIN US! lol

[gncc400exxx]

2

[Punk'd]

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

[TGW_400ex]

Wow that looks gay

[Fred55]

I know how to post pics...but you guys dont have the membership so you cant see them.

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Wow that looks gay

So is plastic the only dif.. that looks kinda..:huh

[rollie]

thats what ive been waiting for.....:huh

i really like them

[JDiablo]

ehh i can take stock 450r plastic and put it on a 400 ...but the yellow looks ok

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Punk'd
So is plastic the only dif.. that looks kinda..:huh

no it has reverse :rolleyes: might as we have left it alone

[SRH]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Wow that looks gay

[TGW_400ex]

Guy400 what parts are true and what parts arnt?

[khen]

Not bad... Pretty much what I expected. I see they didn't upgrade the front shocks. Does anyone know what the retail will be on them?

[Fred55]

5799

[Punk'd]

the back plastic need more points at the tips.. it just looks like a 450r front and a 400ex back.. :huh

[honda92]

it says it also has a revised gear ratio and dry weight is 386

[rollie]

Originally posted by nacsracer12
thats what ive been waiting for.....:huh

i take that back.......i looked at it again...i want one!!! lol but does it have reverse ????????i looked at it quick and i didnt like it before

[ny300exrider]

Originally posted by SRH
i second that

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by nacsracer12
i take that back.......i looked at it again...i want one!!! lol but does it have reverse ????????i looked at it quick and i didnt like it before

Yes it does

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by Fred55
5799 WOW!!! Thats up there for what you get, couple hundred dollars for reverse and plastics:huh :huh

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by honda92
it says it also has a revised gear ratio and dry weight is 386

sweet they made it heavier:rolleyes:

The people on honda must have been smoking some good stuff when they decided to do this:bandit:

[khen]

Originally posted by Fred55
5799 Same price as the '05 zuki with hopped up engine and front rezzies.. hmmmm... If I were in the market I think I would go for the zuki..

[atvrider12764]

they should have just kept the old plastics and made a black and added the new gear ratior and reverse....and what is that radiator looking thing over the oil well

[One_Bad_400]

im truly disapointed all thay changed was the lights and reverse, wopdedo i liked the old 400ex lights better, and they didnt do any thing about that stuped battery hanging off the side:mad:

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by atvrider12764
they should have just kept the old plastics and made a black and added the new gear ratior and reverse....and what is that radiator looking thing over the oil well

oil cooler:rolleyes:

[lol]

can u put the plastic and stuff on the old 400

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
sweet they made it heavier:rolleyes:

The people on honda must have been smoking some good stuff when they decided to do this:bandit: lol!!!!:D

[One_Bad_400]

thats always ben there

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
oil cooler:rolleyes: Your cracking me up!!!lol

[khen]

Originally posted by khen
Same price as the '05 zuki with hopped up engine and front rezzies.. hmmmm... If I were in the market I think I would go for the zuki.. Actually I take that back.. I would drop another 7 bills or so and buy the 450R.

[Punk'd]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/kawasaki535/aaaaaa.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/kawasaki535/aaaaaaaa.gif

..

[One_Bad_400]

who gives a crap about the 400ex where is the 650 or what ever else they were coming out with

were are yall geting all these pics


my paint pic looks better than what honda can do

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid134/p2705f74ca475f6d2d4b40350b936f647/f76f8a2b.jpg

[Giz400ex]

Thanks for the pics there, Punk'd

[atvrider12764]

how many times are you guys going to ask the same question someone else asked? its the HRCA website you need to be a member of them

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Giz400ex
Thanks for the pics there, Punk'd

n/p;)

[Bad Habit]

Boy, I can't wait to see what Dirtwheels has to say about this :rolleyes: I'm sure they'll rave about it:rolleyes:

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if Dirtwheels thinks it's any good to decide if I should buy one, all their reviews are so accurate and unbiased :rolleyes:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Bad Habit
Boy, I can't wait to see what Dirtwheels has to say about this :rolleyes: I'm sure they'll rave about it:rolleyes:

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if Dirtwheels thinks it's any good to decide if I should buy one, all their reviews are so accurate and unbiased :rolleyes:

They will say how yamaha owns it in every test:rolleyes:

[440exnacsracer]

yellow 400 but no yellow 450:confused: :confused: i think the air scoops should be on the 400 also:rolleyes:

[DEAL]

I bet it will be winning all the shootouts now.

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by DEAL
I bet it will be winning all the shootouts now.

With the trusty new praying mantis lights:p

[Woodsrider]

Originally posted by Punk'd
With the trusty new praying mantis lights:p

And the crappiest shocks in its class. Honestly, to me it looks like Honda blew their whole wad on the 450R.:rolleyes:

i wonder if those yellow plastics will work on my 450r :eek:

[440exnacsracer]

honestly, i think honda should have saved a little money by leaving the crf motor the way it was....instead they add 150 lbs and take away 10 horses:rolleyes: :eek2: :confused: seems REALLY stupid to me....a crf will spank a yzf, but a yfz will spank a trx

[Bad Habit]

Originally posted by 440exnacsracer
but a yfz will spank a trx


Put down the magazines and step away from the "shootouts":rolleyes:

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by 440exnacsracer
honestly, i think honda should have saved a little money by leaving the crf motor the way it was....instead they add 150 lbs and take away 10 horses:rolleyes: :eek2: :confused: seems REALLY stupid to me....a crf will spank a yzf, but a yfz will spank a trx

Agreed.. then they blow their load all over this "new" 400ex. Suzuki is going to overtake it for sure, especially with new buyers who have ZERO brand loyalty. Honestly, screw honda right now. Until they find their balls and start building their atv's with the same attention they do to their dirtbikes, or even half as much as suzuki is with new shocks and such. Every year.. what happens with dirtbikes? Honda shaves 4lbs off the crf, adds .9 hp (to which everyone gets ecstatic because their is real competition between the company's) and changes the fork valving. Honda sport quads? Different color plastics.. and a reverse gear most serious riders don't even care about having. Realll good effort honda. Unless yamaha starts making efforts in improving the yfz.. they can also suck a nut. At least through the years yammi hasn't been afraid to build fast bikes.To me, the trx450 still screams "we're honda, and we're still to scared to build a quad to the best of our abilities". Screw them all, maybe suzuki has some balls (or they're about to drop at least) and will come out with a REALLY race inspired 450 for us. Then yammi and suzuki would start competing, eventually when honda would after they lost enough money.

[Sportrax10]

Overall.. I like it... The plastic got a well needed change, reverse was needed for the "weekend warriors" and trail riders... (which I beleive it was targeted towards...) IDK what they did with the gear ratios, but cool..:cool: I do wish they could have put on some shocks with rezzys...

Hey... is that an aluminum bumper I see?

[allmixedup047]

Put down the magazines and step away from the "shootouts"
no chit.

but a yfz will spank a trx
a yfz will spank a trx???:huh wow i thought it was the other way. honestly, were do you get your information, must get it from blue traxx. lets put it this way, if a yfz and a trx drag race, there will be no spanking from niether of them. i still cant believe you said that! are you being sarcastic?:confused:

[Bad Habit]

Originally posted by 310Rduner
Agreed.. then they blow their load all over this "new" 400ex. Suzuki is going to overtake it for sure, especially with new buyers who have ZERO brand loyalty. Honestly, screw honda right now. Until they find their balls and start building their atv's with the same attention they do to their dirtbikes, or even half as much as suzuki is with new shocks and such. Every year.. what happens with dirtbikes? Honda shaves 4lbs off the crf, adds .9 hp (to which everyone gets ecstatic because their is real competition between the company's) and changes the fork valving. Honda sport quads? Different color plastics.. and a reverse gear most serious riders don't even care about having. Realll good effort honda. Unless yamaha starts making efforts in improving the yfz.. they can also suck a nut. At least through the years yammi hasn't been afraid to build fast bikes. What's the last honestly fast bike honda built? Oh.. wait... the 250R. Screw them all, maybe suzuki has some balls (or they're about to drop at least) and will come out with a REALLY race inspired 450 for us. Then yammi and suzuki would start competing, eventually when honda would after they lost enough money.

Simmer down there cowboy :D Let's take a breathe and look at this with a little bit of analitical thought.
As far as Suzuki overtaking, what exactly is so supeior on the Z as opposed to the EX? Water cooling? Sure, theorically water cooling is better, but the air-cooled EX motor is absolutely reliable. Something is to be said about simplicity in design.
Shock design? I'd be willing to bet that 99% of riders would not be able to tell the difference between the two showa shocks these two bikes use. Maybe "serious" riders could tell the difference, but they wouldn't own either of these bikes because they have reverse. As far as Honda needing to find their balls and do things like improve shocks, come on. Anyone that wants to ride the bikes absolutely hard core will get rid of the stock shocks, resevoir or not.
I'll give you one thing, and I think this is why everyone likes to jump up and say that Honda is sucking hind tit. On paper, honda is last on specs. Their spec sheet does not say water-cooled, or resevoir shocks, or dual rate springs. However, I don't ride a piece of paper, I like to test things in the real world, and the fact is the EX and the Z are about as close as you can get performance wise when you drop the clutch and have at it. All of this nonsense about spec comparisons is just that, nonsense.
And about the 250R. When it had direct competition, LT250R and 250 Tecate, the R was dead last on paper. It had less suspension, less power and by all rights should have been the last bike to be succesful. But we all know how that story turned out ;)

Just food for thought.

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by Bad Habit
Simmer down there cowboy :D Let's take a breathe and look at this with a little bit of analitical thought.
As far as Suzuki overtaking, what exactly is so supeior on the Z as opposed to the EX? Water cooling? Sure, theorically water cooling is better, but the air-cooled EX motor is absolutely reliable. Something is to be said about simplicity in design.
Shock design? I'd be willing to bet that 99% of riders would not be able to tell the difference between the two showa shocks these two bikes use. Maybe "serious" riders could tell the difference, but they wouldn't own either of these bikes because they have reverse. As far as Honda needing to find their balls and do things like improve shocks, come on. Anyone that wants to ride the bikes absolutely hard core will get rid of the stock shocks, resevoir or not.
I'll give you one thing, and I think this is why everyone likes to jump up and say that Honda is sucking hind tit. On paper, honda is last on specs. Their spec sheet does not say water-cooled, or resevoir shocks, or dual rate springs. However, I don't ride a piece of paper, I like to test things in the real world, and the fact is the EX and the Z are about as close as you can get performance wise when you drop the clutch and have at it. All of this nonsense about spec comparisons is just that, nonsense.
And about the 250R. When it had direct competition, LT250R and 250 Tecate, the R was dead last on paper. It had less suspension, less power and by all rights should have been the last bike to be succesful. But we all know how that story turned out ;)

Just food for thought.

Are you telling me it's ok that honda's lack of good specs but the fact that it still performs well is a good thing? My point is, they aren't building what they COULD be building. There is ZERO reason they have to cut power from the crf. Reliability? The crf was reliable as hell, just like every honda. So.. again, why cut 10hp out of a bike when it is as honda "hints" (they don't like to flat out say its a full racer.. not to Pc) a racer when they could have that 10hp at the same cc's? Honda is falling short, and always have been since the R lawsuits. They put so much effort into their dirtbikes and improve so many things EVERY year... but their quads go stale and stagnant after the first year release. They SHOULD have made improvements in power after the 400ex first came out, they SHOULD have improved suspension, they SHOULD have filled the demands customers had of it. 5 years later... we have reverse gear, and new plastics. What's the deal?? I'm sure you could notice the difference between z shocks, and ex shocks. I think the preload, compression and rebound adjustment.. just "might" be noticeable. Yeah, people will replace all the parts, but they are a lot of things they could do to improve still, and show that effort. For instance.. if the motor on the trx weren't detuned compared to the crf, you'd have a 10hp advantage on the yammi when you go to the track. That's 1k some yfz rider has to spend to match it (riders being equal of course). Talking to one of the workers at Walsh yesterday when I called about the ktm chassis.. I asked him what he thought of the crf vs trx motors. He was saying his bud Nate's pro production 450R with a ton of money into the motor keeps about even with his crf hybrid and mild motor work.

[250EXpwns]

http://powersports.honda.com/preview/05_new_model_index.html
Try that link!!!:D

[allmixedup047]

but their quads go stale and stagnant after the first year release. They SHOULD have made improvements in power after the 400ex first came out, they SHOULD have improved suspension, they SHOULD have filled the demands customers had of it.
With the quad industry growing day by day, there will always be demands from consumers. This is why people think that there quads go stagnant. Why fix it if it isnt broke, the 400ex was one of the best selling quads in the industry. now that the new bread of 450's are out, the demand for the 400 has gone down, therfor they put a couple new mods on it like reverse and try to pin point certain riders that dont need the 450 power and like to have reverse. and im sure honda has a couple reasons why the dropped the HP down a bit on the 450r, maybe you dont see the reason, but im sure there is. there are certain laws that prohibit hp rating.

[Hawk III]

this is what honda will have next year for the 450r....

http://powersports.honda.com/images/model/c028_029_030_031_photos_all/motorcycles/2005/CRF450X/Medium/CRF450X_med_01.jpg

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by allmixedup047
With the quad industry growing day by day, there will always be demands from consumers. This is why people think that there quads go stagnant. Why fix it if it isnt broke, the 400ex was one of the best selling quads in the industry. now that the new bread of 450's are out, the demand for the 400 has gone down, therfor they put a couple new mods on it like reverse and try to pin point certain riders that dont need the 450 power and like to have reverse. and im sure honda has a couple reasons why the dropped the HP down a bit on the 450r, maybe you dont see the reason, but im sure there is. there are certain laws that prohibit hp rating.

I call bs...

If it ain't broke don't fix it was the rule, then our capitalist system has failed!! You pink commie scum!!:cool:

Really though, the 02 crf wasn't broke... so why did they change that at all? Same with the 03crf? Why did they redesign the corvette c5r.. certainly wasn't broke? Why did they redesign the computer, and continually push the speed in ghz you can get? Ain't broke.. I guess they just should give up all together on making any advancements in anything we build in the usa. Most things certainly aren't broke.

[allmixedup047]

this is what honda will have next year for the 450r....

yeah, take that WR

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by Hawk III
this is what honda will have next year for the 450r....

http://powersports.honda.com/images/model/c028_029_030_031_photos_all/motorcycles/2005/CRF450X/Medium/CRF450X_med_01.jpg

Cough*Electric start crf450*cough cough

[86350x]

Originally posted by allmixedup047
yeah, take that WR

The new WR is sweet, Dirt bike guys knew this bike was comming like 3 yrs ago:rolleyes: I bet the new WR spanks it in the motor department. I love my old wr 426................

I was hopping they'd make a trx650, that's there best motor. Just use the 450r chassis, and you have a raptor killer.

[allmixedup047]

I was hopping they'd make a trx650, that's there best motor. Just use the 450r chassis, and you have a raptor killer.
um, they have a 450r that will kill a raptor.:)

[86350x]

Originally posted by allmixedup047
um, they have a 450r that will kill a raptor.:)

Yeah, I know the 450r will kill the raptor, but I meant for the open trail class, ala polaris predator, ds650, raptor, v-force.

[trx440]

Disappointing, for the 4th year in a row.

Originally posted by trx440
Disappointing, for the 4th year in a row. damn dude...i thought last year was pretty nice with the 450r and all...what would of made you happy?

[trx440]

#1 A TRX650EX for us duners

#2 An aluminum framed TRX450RR with an engine that isn't so far removed from the CRF, in other words, a quad that is a better racer than the YFZ

It really sucks that they built a quad that is softer, less aggressive and still doesn't have E-start like the more race ready YFZ

#3 A 250 fourstroke sport/racer built on the CRF250X engine. They could have a very competitive class all to themselves at the GNC and GNCC"s that got beginners and younger riders involved.

#4 A redesigned Pilot with the CBR600 engine in it.


Besides that I think Honda is doing just fine. I mean they won Baja with a Rincon that had drum brakes!!

What do I know?????

Huck Fonda



Gotta go now, I'm on my way to buy 2 450R's. I know what I just said above, I only buy Honda's because they last. Even though I not looking forward to kicking that mule while sitting, off camber, on a ridgeback at Glamis.

[86350x]

Originally posted by trx440
[#3 A 250 fourstroke sport/racer built on the CRF250X engine. They could have a very competitive class all to themselves at the GNC and GNCC"s that got beginners and younger riders involved.
[/B]

You'll never see that. That motor has to be one of the worst thumpers for reliability. It has to have top end jobs just as often as a 125 2 stroke. I think it would be even worse in a quad.

They'll just keep having the 200 2 stroke to 300 fourstroke class,dominated by 300ex's and blasters.

[atvrider12764]

if a honda pilot is one of those dune buggie things.....id defintly buy one if they brought it back theres the coolest

[trx440]

Not true,

They could just make it bulletproof and SLOW, just as they did with the CRF450 to TRX450

I get your point though.

[86350x]

Originally posted by trx440
Not true,

They could just make it bulletproof and SLOW, just as they did with the CRF450 to TRX450

I get your point though.

Was that for me or him:confused: The crf/x is slower, and makes less power then the yzf and wr 250's also.

[allmixedup047]

If it ain't broke don't fix it was the rule, then our capitalist system has failed!! You pink commie scum!! ]
lmfao, how old are you.

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by allmixedup047
]
lmfao, how old are you.

Is hitting the profile button a bit too much work for ya?;)

[Mxjunkie]

The longer i look at it, and compared it to the old plastics, it kinda does pretty cool, if it had some fins on it and a carbonfiber hood, or just a hood alone i bet it would look very nice, i was hoping for 450r suspension but i guess once honda does something once, they never touch it again for a few years...

[SSracingNY]

wtf all i see is the 04:grr: :mad:

[Guy400]

IMO this is the quad that Honda should have introduced in 1999. I don't think the new plastic looks bad but I really wish they would've gone with something more unique than a 450R remake. I agree that for the same money you now get more features with the Z/KFX. You get an engine that's more than proven itself, a frame that can be gusseted to be as strong as anyone elses (see Doug Gust), liquid cooling and piggyback shocks. With the release of the 450R the 400EX has now become a Warrior fighter--bring it down to Warrior pricing. I'm not bashing the EX, either. It's shown itself to be competitive in nearly everything it does but I think this rendition with reverse should've been seen 5 years ago. I do believe that Honda's a little high on themselves offering this quad for $5800 MSRP.

[trx440]

Guy4,

You shouldn't have got me geeked up about the 650ex. I bet a buddy of mine who works @ the local Honda dealer that it was coming out. Way I see it you owe me a case of Corona.:grr:

[Guy400]

Originally posted by trx440
Guy4,

You shouldn't have got me geeked up about the 650ex. I bet a buddy of mine who works @ the local Honda dealer that it was coming out. Way I see it you owe me a case of Corona.:grr: LMFAO...you've been here since Sep. 2000. You should know the September-Honda-bike-show-routine by now:D Every September turns into "my friend's uncle's former college dorm buddy cleans the chitters at the Honda factory and he saw <insert your dream quad here>..."

[trx440]

Let's just say your's was a little more convincing. Shame on you. No, you're right, shame on me!

[FTR250Rnif]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Wow that looks gay
i agree. I hate how a company takes the newest competing quad and they make all the others look exactly like it:o

[khen]

Originally posted by Guy400
IMO this is the quad that Honda should have introduced in 1999. I don't think the new plastic looks bad but I really wish they would've gone with something more unique than a 450R remake. I agree that for the same money you now get more features with the Z/KFX. You get an engine that's more than proven itself, a frame that can be gusseted to be as strong as anyone elses (see Doug Gust), liquid cooling and piggyback shocks. With the release of the 450R the 400EX has now become a Warrior fighter--bring it down to Warrior pricing. I'm not bashing the EX, either. It's shown itself to be competitive in nearly everything it does but I think this rendition with reverse should've been seen 5 years ago. I do believe that Honda's a little high on themselves offering this quad for $5800 MSRP. I think it's closer to the 450R and YFZ than it is to the Warrior/Raptor 350.. Those things are pretty gutless. I think if they would have left the retail at $5299 they would have something. Maybe they'll offer the dealers incentives so that they can get the price down from retail a bit. It's probably the cash cow of the Honda lineup, considering R&D has been made back MANY times over(1 million plus sold).