Atc450r

[Blown 331]

I'm gonna build one.

1985 ATC250R with a 2004 TRX450R engine. This is at least a year off. Any comments?

[speedfreaksguy]

WHY BOTHER??

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by speedfreaksguy
WHY BOTHER??

Because it'd be unique and fast as hell?

If I had the time/money/resources to do it, I'd do it, just for the hell of it and to know that I was probably the only person and probably the first person to do it.

I say go for it man, just make sure to have lots of pics and yes you probably will kill yourself!:D

[ATC350X 85]

Awesome, go for it!! Im all for that

[markk]

AWSOME!!!!!!!!! but pointless, But still KICK A**!!!!!

[Antnee77]

I think it's pretty cool except for the fact that 3-wheelers are a death trap. You're probably gonna kill yourself on it but who cares, it'll be awesome!

[Bretmd94]

Do it!! I would probably use a 350x frame though. Much more room to work with.

[the_hulkamaniac]

Are you going to have a spare 450r motor in a year? If not wouldn't it be cheaper/better to get a dirtbike crf?

But go for it, I love trikes. That would be crazy fast!

The atc250r is the better handling chassis. But the fit might be tight. Bretmd94 may be right on this one.

[TheFontMaster]

Awsome idea dude. Make shure you keep us updated on how the project is going.

[kamikaze_rzrbak]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid137/p043a3d2fa86906c28d6729d5e23c2cc2/f7423e5a.jpg :cool:

[trick450r]

Originally posted by Antnee77
I think it's pretty cool except for the fact that 3-wheelers are a death trap. You're probably gonna kill yourself on it but who cares, it'll be awesome!

finally someone that sees trikes my way...amen brotha

[the_hulkamaniac]

Oh yeah you are going to need a really long swingarm to keep that front tyre down.

[Antnee77]

Originally posted by trick450r
finally someone that sees trikes my way...amen brotha

;)

[Antnee77]

I think you're better off taking a 450R and taking the front end off and custom fabricating it into a trike. That's what it looks like in that picture. You're still playing with fire IMO, though.

[TheFontMaster]

That would be cool ot you could get the plastics to look like that one pic. It would be hard, but that would be the sickest looking 3 wheeler around.

[wilkin250r]

With some decent motor upgrades, I bet that thing would give alcohol banshees a run for their money on the drag strip...

[Blown 331]

That 3-wheeler is pretty good looking. I want to do it because I just have a thing for 3-wheelers, I think they are awesome. I had a 85 ATC250R and I never should have gotten rid of it. I have a few ATC200's still. I just made the 3 to 4-wheeler switch about 2 years ago. I hated 4-wheelers at first. Front end too wide in the trails and no turning radius. If you're good on a 3-wheeler I think they are more fun to ride and I never even flipped the ATC250R but I did flip my 03 400EX. I've located another ATC250R with a bad motor and it might take me a bit to save up but a 450R motor is going in that frame.
I considered the 350X but the R frame already has the radiators ext.

[Antnee77]

You should just convert your 450R into a 3 wheeler!

[ATC350X 85]

Originally posted by Antnee77
I think it's pretty cool except for the fact that 3-wheelers are a death trap. You're probably gonna kill yourself on it but who cares, it'll be awesome!



I just think its the fact that your mind is warped by the media to think they are unsafe. I have been riding them for half my life and never have been hurt on one. They take much more skill and body language to handle than a 4 wheeler.

[HondaATC500X]

Originally posted by ATC350X 85
I just think its the fact that your mind is warped by the media to think they are unsafe. I have been riding them for half my life and never have been hurt on one. They take much more skill and body language to handle than a 4 wheeler.


Yes finally someone who KNOWS from experience and doesn't THINK...


An ATC450R would be very sick, and I've did a few of my own mockups in PhotoShop (The one in Dirtwheels mag was mine). I think you would have better luck starting on the dirtbike platform though. Use a quad subframe for the seat/fender mounts, make a new swingarm, tripple clamps, front axle, modify suspension to sit a little lower...I'd love to do one if I had alot of money. I'd definetly go with an aluminum CR style frame, but thats just my opinon :)

[Antnee77]

I don't know, maybe I just don't have the skill for a 3-wheeler. I have ridden one once and did not fall but felt awfully unstable. It belongs to my friend whom I have seen fall on it on more than one occasion. I have also heard many stories from other friends who have gotten seriously hurt on them. If you guys have been riding them for years and have had good luck, that's great, I am happy for you. But for me, it's four wheels or two wheels.q

[HondaATC500X]

Mind if I ask whether it was a model that had full suspension or not? I wont argue that the early non suspended models were as stable as the later ones because their not...but try riding a Tri-Z, a 250R, a Tecate, a 350x, or heck even a 200x. You would be suprised.

[Antnee77]

I honestly couldn't tell you, although I could find out. :confused:

[Blown 331]

Well I bought a mint condition 85 ATC250R and I love it. No way I'd convert it to a 450. Not saying the 250R is better than the 450R but I just can't hack up a mint ATC. This thing still has a stock piston. Took me a while to get the hang of a 3-wheeler again but I've started jumping it, lands great. It's fast as hell weighing under 300 pounds. I ride it more than my 450R.

http://www.3wheeler.org/random/3wheeler.gif

[iceracer17]

A few guys around here have the crf engine in their trikes for non studded ice racing.Boy do they fly.I'll try to get some pics in a couple months.
Good luck.

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by iceracer17
A few guys around here have the crf engine in their trikes for non studded ice racing.Boy do they fly.I'll try to get some pics in a couple months.
Good luck.

No way, that's awesome. 250R or 350X frame? Any frame modifications neccesarry?

[iceracer17]

I believe it's 250r frame.I haven't really looked at it close because they do enough mods to get them to pitch sideways wide open (lengthen the front of the frame for steering so they can almost turn the handle bars all the way around!)

[iceracer65]

allready been done...last year at our ice races the guy that won the outlaw pro rubber (nonstudded)class had a crf motor in a 350X frame. he did have to do some frame chopping around the airbox snorkle area...but it looked easy. if i go to glamis next year the 450r motor is going in my 350x frame.


i raced a trike for 3 years on the ice:cool: but now the powers that be are phasing them out of our organization.:grr: :grr:


long live trikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://forums.atvconnection.com/i/GalleryImages/51066/ACF2902.jpg

[Blown 331]

If you use a 350X what do you do about the radiators? I seriously want to put a CRF motor in a 350X.

[devil6]

Originally posted by speedfreaksguy
WHY BOTHER??


LOL, some of you guys have obviously never ridden a atc in the sand! It doesent get mutch better than that. Heck, i sold my quad and my dirtbike and all i have now is a mint 85" atc 250r, a mint 86"350x, a ok 85" 350x and a ok 86"200x, all for less than what it would cost me to get a new 450. I do like the 450r, and that would be my next choice to buy, but i cant justify the cost. Sometimes it's too easy to go fast on a quad. It takes some of the fun out of it. And as far as them being dangerouse, well, i havent fell off any of my atc's yet in 4 years of having them. Sounds like ridin quads is makin some of the boys out there rusty!And i can hang with almost anyone around my track on a 4wheeler. A 450 powered atc 250r would absolutley fly!!! I'd do it in a sec if the motor became available. Just get a ebay frame to mod as needed. Just make sure to send the finished pic to 3wheelerworld.com

[Bad Habit]

Originally posted by devil6
..........200x...........


Quite possibly THE most fun I ever had when I was a kid, 12-13 years old. I absolutely loved the 200x.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by kamikaze_rzrbak
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid137/p043a3d2fa86906c28d6729d5e23c2cc2/f7423e5a.jpg :cool:

death trap

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
death trap

I'd love to have that thing. I plan on building my ATC250R to out run my 450R. I'd like to do a 330 power valve on the 3-wheeler.

[iceracer65]

as for radiators...any dirt bike ones will work you just have to make some mounts to attach to the frame.

[ATC350X 85]

Anyone who says anything negative about a 3 wheeler obviously doesnt have the skill to ride one or is extremely misinformed. Its that, you were too young to know anything about them and your going on what everyone has told you. The media has a way of warping minds to believe their biased reporting. Many people have been killed on 4 wheelers and bikes. I would have definitely bought an ATC 450R over a TRX if it was offered. If I had the money to blow I would probably build a brand new ATC.

[Martin Blair]

i think its pintless, but how about a reverse 3 wheels so it dont tip? quad from single rear wheel

[iceracer65]

Originally posted by ATC350X 85
Anyone who says anything negative about a 3 wheeler obviously doesnt have the skill to ride one or is extremely misinformed. Its that, you were too young to know anything about them and your going on what everyone has told you. The media has a way of warping minds to believe their biased reporting. Many people have been killed on 4 wheelers and bikes. I would have definitely bought an ATC 450R over a TRX if it was offered. If I had the money to blow I would probably build a brand new ATC.

i agree totally...this is one of the main reasons why i decided to race a very stock 450r at the gnctts...to prove it can be done!! you dont need aarms, axle, etc....you do however need to be able to ride!!!

i think if everyone spent 2 hrs on a trike before a race the only reason to have their quad maxed out wide, would be to impress their freinds:blah:

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by ATC350X 85
Anyone who says anything negative about a 3 wheeler obviously doesnt have the skill to ride one or is extremely misinformed. Its that, you were too young to know anything about them and your going on what everyone has told you. The media has a way of warping minds to believe their biased reporting. Many people have been killed on 4 wheelers and bikes. I would have definitely bought an ATC 450R over a TRX if it was offered. If I had the money to blow I would probably build a brand new ATC.

Hell yeah, I was thinking I would have bought the ATC450R if it was offered. I'm getting really good on the ATC250R. I go riding with all 4-wheelers and can keep in the woods no problem. On the road is a different story, they're behind me. I have a 3 XL500R dirt bikes. One is far parts and I've just started turning that into a 3wheeler. So for I have a Yamaha swing arm, 250X rear fenders and seat. Just need to winden the triple clamp and I'll be well on my way.

[devil6]

Originally posted by HN400exracer
i think its pintless, but how about a reverse 3 wheels so it dont tip? quad from single rear wheel

1. have u ever ridden a snowmobile, not puttin, but fast through corners? Yes, it will tip.
2. i'd love to see someone get it to hook up with only 1 tire driving it.
3. If a 400ex excites you, My atc 250r would frighten you.

[Kennethyfz450]

I have a lot of respect atc's .. i got to ride a 250r for my first experience on three wheels and let me tell you it was exciting and fUN!! i wish i had the money to blow...

the media sucks.. according to them 4 wheelers should be out lawed

[devil6]

Originally posted by Kennethyfz450
I have a lot of respect atc's .. i got to ride a 250r for my first experience on three wheels and let me tell you it was exciting and fUN!! i wish i had the money to blow...

the media sucks.. according to them 4 wheelers should be out lawed As a guy who grey up on 4 wheelers, then got a dirt bike, and now owning only 3 wheelers, (4 of them) i'm far from insulting quads, cause this new breed of 450's is flat out awesome. I choose not to own one currently because of all the atc's i have. If i was starting fresh, no machine to my name at all, i'd have a 450r. and some day i probably will anyways. But i wont be trading my 250r or 350x to do it. Every machine has a personality of it's own. i happen to like the challenge and feel of atc's, The 250r can be quite a handfull when you pick up the pace on my track, but i rode my friends 450r around it and it felt like something was missing. Like it was a sanitized version of the excitement my 250r has. Not that it was bad, just lazier than what i'm used to. And i'm not so sure it felt like $7000 worth of fun. Now i rode the owner of vicious cycles 450r, and that was a rush, but it's modded rather heavily, and yes, it does whip my tail in the dunes, (he lives like 10 minutes from me) but that is a larger chunk of $$$ yet. Also, i take pride in riding a new looking 19yr old bike u just cant buy new anymore and keeping up with or passing modern machines. I just get ticked when someone who cant ride one calls them a death trap, or thinks they are just old junk, now that 3 wheelers were banned back in 87, the media is of course focusing on you. if someone who rides quads can look at a atc and say they are a death trap, what does the person who rides nothing say about quads?....... Thanks for showing there are some quad guys who dont mind sharing a hill or trail with us atc's.

[iceracer65]

if everyone could ride a trike, no one would need all of this aftermarket aarm/axel crap!! my 450r is the widest quad ive ever owned/ raced...i have NO problem with it two wheeling around corners!! its just like on the trike, stay in the gas and it stays flat.

i want to be a quad RIDER...not a quad driver. if i ever spend that amount of money on aarms that cost the manufacturer not even a quarter of what they charge...shoot me!!!:macho

[GeoD]

Originally posted by Andrew
That would be cool if you could get the plastics to look like that one pic. It would be hard, but that would be the sickest looking 3 wheeler around.
______________
Andrew


I agree that is a sick ride. But, I think this puppy takes the cake (see attached file below):

A Tri-Raptor 660!!!! Or it's latin name "Tri-Raptoracerotops".

This is definitely on my to do list in the future!!!!



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[quadhauler]

I currently own an 85 ATC250R with a CR500R motor in it. We built it 20 years ago and it is an absolute blast although we use it now mostly as a hill shooter. 3 wheelers are not any more dangerous or a death trap than a quad is, once you understand how it steers. Had a buddy jump on one back in the day who had ridden bikes all his life, proceded to run through the gears and run smack into a parked car up the street, almost lost his leg. So rather than jumping on and gassing it, take a few minutes to get a feel for it. When going slow you have to unweight the inside rear tire to turn, if you don't the "locker" rear axle will push you straight forward. When turning at speed you just grab a handfull of throttle and kick it sideways. Actually in the right hands I think a 3 wheeler will out turn a quad. I don't want to date myself too much, but I raced several times against Curtis Sparks in some national events. No, not a Sparks bike, Curtis Sparks himself who used to ride for Team Honda before his aftermarket business took off. 450R motor in a 250r frame would be a blast, but honestly why not just build the 250R motor? If you are into the project side of it though I say go for it! For all you rookies that think 3 wheelers are deathtraps, you've let the media lead you by the nose. They use the same type of propoganda the envirowhackos use now to close our riding area's... Good luck with your build...

[Rich250RRacer]

Originally posted by ATC350X 85
Anyone who says anything negative about a 3 wheeler obviously doesnt have the skill to ride one or is extremely misinformed. Its that, you were too young to know anything about them and your going on what everyone has told you. The media has a way of warping minds to believe their biased reporting. Many people have been killed on 4 wheelers and bikes. I would have definitely bought an ATC 450R over a TRX if it was offered. If I had the money to blow I would probably build a brand new ATC.

I agree. My first atv was a Tri-Z, which I just pulled out of storage after 11 years to start a restoration on.

[GeoD]

This whole thing about 3-Wheelers being death traps is getting very old. Im also tired of hearing it doesn't take any skills to ride 3.

Ive been riding three wheelers since 8th grade (Im now 35yrs old). Im not going to stand up and say trikes (or any ATV) are not dangerous. Why do you think we ride them!!!? There is a certain element of danger and excitement you get when riding one of these things. The first and foremost thing anyone should remember before jumping on one is "RESPECT"!!! If you respect the machine and ride it the way it was and is intended, then, you should have no problems.

3 is more dangerous then 4? Not true. I once saw a 16yr old kid working at our local Honda shop bring the quads in from the outside showlot. He was not wearing helmet or any other gear. He and another guy were screwing around on the street. He swerved left then right quickly (like a nascar driver before a race to heat up the tires). Next thing you know BAM!!!! The quad flipped over the front and face planted the kid in the ground (remember, he was in the street). The bike fell on top of him afterwards. The kid was knocked out cold, broke his arm and collar bone. A couple of days later I wrote a letter to the owner of the shop. I told him I was pissed to see they allowed such careless behavior within a bike shop. It was that type of stupidity that banned the 3-wheelers in the first place. If more of that behavior continues (as it does) the quads will be the next item on the list of banned products. Shop owners should know what is on the line and should make their employees take all precautions when riding these ATVs. I mean, who would have thought a simple "bring in the quads from the lot" would have such devastating consequences. Why not ask that kid if he opts not to wear a helmet anymore and if he screws around on the street with a low pressure tire vehicle. Needless to say, the kid no longer works at the shop.

It doesn't take any skill to ride a 3-Wheeler. Also not true. If a person asks me to if they can take my 350X for a ride, I ask the person if they ever rode a 3-wheeler. If they say no. That is the end of that. I will not let anyone ride my wheeler unless they had prior experience with them. As I stated before, Ive been riding them ever since 8th grade. I know there is alot of skill involved to ride one of these. There is more body language required to get the trike to do what you want. The stability factor has to be considered when powering around a sharp turn at high speeds. Again..............RESPECT. I tried to ride a quad a few times. I did not like the feel. I believe if I really tried to ride a quad, I would end up in an ugly situation. Quads and me just don't mix. That is why I continue to ride on three. Just remember guys. If the three wheeler was never invented.......there would be no Quads!!!

I hear riders at these pay to ride places rippin on other's rides. In my opinion. It doesn't matter what you ride. If its the nicest ride or the crappiest. What matters is, YOU ARE RIDING!!!! Have fun and be safe!!!!

These are only a few of my thoughts on this subject.

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/152/screenshot029atg8bq1.jpg

[MR.BIG]

I say do the project it should be an awesome ride. I love 3 wheelers which I grew up riding and I had a 1985 250r all stock and that thing was fast. The main reason they were banned is because people with no experience would buy the biggest and fastest 3 wheeler they could get and then pin in down the road and couldn't turn it. It takes skill to ride a 3 wheeler!

[CHAR250R]

Anyone that says it takes no skill to ride a 3 wheeler, has never owned one. Have you ever tried to go fast on a 3 wheeler? I don't mean in a straight line, either. They are a handfull.

[SMACKDOWN450R]

I agree with GeoD 100% Atc's recieved a bumm wrap because of stupid people and the Goverment once again making a decision for the People...Like GeoD I grew up on 3wheelers and still have a 200x that I love to Ride!! I think you can never fully respect and ride a quad to its potential without first riding and mastering your skills on a 3 wheeler.... :) You haven't experienced **** until you've gone full nut down the trail on a no suspension Honda 185...:D

[GeoD]

Originally posted by SMACKDOWN450R
You haven't experienced **** until you've gone full nut down the trail on a no suspension Honda 185...:D

Now you're talking my langauge!!! My first 3-Wheeler was a 185s, with no suspension what so ever!!! I use to sky with that sucker to the point I would hit my helmet chin guard off the bar pad on the landing!!! The bike would bounce three or four times because of the beachball tires!! LOL!!! Man!! Did I have some great times on that bike. Then I had one with front suspension. Honestly, I liked my first one better. I was able to launch off jumps better. After the second 185s I got a 200s with front suspension. Then came the big boy.........my first 350X!!!!

I don't want to get into a big pissing contest with anyone about what takes more skill...... 3 or 4. Anything you ride in the dirt requires much skill. A three wheeler handles much different then a quad. For those of you that have never ridden a Trike, then you just won't understand what Im saying. Yes, I agree, three wheelers have less stability then a quad. It's simple math folks!!! More is MORE!!!! So yes, people who ride trikes have to excercise a bit more caution. We also have to manipulate the trails and tracks different because of the Quad rut (the middle hump left behind from many Quad runs). These examples and more translates into needing a different set of skills to be able to keep up with the rest of the pack. At Quadfest this year we rode on a 15 mile fast trail (track). People we met at Quadfest rode with us. After we finished the trail several of them came up to me and expressed how impressed they were on how I rode my X. I just chaulk it up to experience. But yes, I admit, I was tearing it up!!!

In reality. It doesn't matter what anyone says. I like riding what I ride. Nothing can change me from 3 to 4.

So for everyone out there riding. Have fun, ride hard, and be careful!!!!

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/654/shamokinridingv1014cg2.jpg

[MR.BIG]

Nice 350x! I had a 200s as my first three wheeler and I know all about the bouncing effect with the ballon tires in the rear alot of fun. I have had alot of 3 wheelers but I have never been able to find a 350x that was in good condition. 3 wheelers rock!:macho

[bwamos]

I'd love a CR500 with an atv swinger, and atv front forks. ;) Talk about having some fun in the dunes. :D

[quadhauler]

Originally posted by bwamos
I'd love a CR500 with an atv swinger, and atv front forks. ;) Talk about having some fun in the dunes. :D

Ours is an ATC250R frame, swinger, and forks with the CR500 motor shoehorned in there. Actually it is an easy fit only issue was having a custom pipe built. Yes it is an absolute riot in the dunes...

[Toadz400]

So...has anyone completed this project yet? I'm still waiting to see a ATC450R!!

[Blown 331]

Originally posted by Toadz400
So...has anyone completed this project yet? I'm still waiting to see a ATC450R!!


http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/250rfan/HRC450RR004.jpg

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=74595

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/Jasons450r/450done4.jpg

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=74234

[Toadz400]

That is awesome!

[deathman53]

I love trikes also. Ride them on mx tracks as hard as I can. I have a 86 200x, 86 atc250r(had a frame custom made, broke 3 frames in pieces). I'm building 2 more, one is gonna have a crf450r motor. I had my spills on atc's. Most were my own fault, stupidity and overconfidence. Stuck throttle was the cause of three, it could happen to any vehicle. The key to riding a trike is body english, understanding how the trike handles, tire selection and common sense(don't do stupid things or things you can't do). I usually ride my trikes more than quads. My dirtbikes get ridden the most.

[Drewltr450]

I wana see a quad with a dirtbike swinger in the back. 2 wheels up front one in back i remember seing it in an insue of dirtwheels just wondering if anyone else has done it.

[deathman53]

Dirtwheels and atv action each did articles with them. I have one where they put a 3-4 conversion kit on a yamaha big wheel and I believe each did stories where they put missle kit for a atc250r on a trx250r. I wanted that issue, lost on the bidding for it.