Is anyone running one of TC RACING'S CAMS

[shook]

Im thinking about buying one of Toms cams but he says they are his own grinds, are they or is he like the rest of these engine builders and just want to make you think that so youll buy his cams.I ride about 40% mx and the rest all around.What would be the best cam to get from him for this. I would like a really strong mid to mid top and strong topend also.Any suggestions on which cam,and if you are running one of them what do you think of it. THANKS for the help.

[MIKE400EX]

Don't know about Tom's, but the GTT, Web 450/451, or HRC are very good mid-top cams.

[shook]

Did you get your rockers hard faced for that one and what does it cost.

[Tommy 17]

i have a tc mx grind cam... i think my quad has mostly low and mid power with this cam and 406 piston... his cams are new grind cams he takes ur old stock cams taht u send back for the core charge and changes them... they are worth the 205$ if u ask me i love his cam and will never buy anythin but a tc cam!!!!!

[shook]

So if If I wanted more of a all around his cross country would be the cam to go with, more mid to top.Would that be a good choice.

[hetrick425ex]

i had a TC cam on my 300 and would probably have one in my 400 if i didnt already have a webcam... they rock!!! you could deffiently feel it kick in!!!!

[Dave400ex]

The XC Cam is more for Bottom, but I think it adds more Power all around. You should be Happy with it.

[ChadEXer]

TC is a damned good engine builder. Thats why he has my motor. He makes his own cams,rods and all that other stuff! Tom is tha chit

[Dave400ex]

Chad is Correct. You will be Happy with TC.

[shook]

Which do you think would be a better cam for all around / mid ,top end cam,the WEB 450/451or the TC cam.

[MIKE400EX]

Does anyone have the TC cam specs? The 450/451 is a little soft at the very low rpm's and then comes on like a 2 stroke to provide a very good mid range hit, that keeps pulling hard to the top.

[Dave400ex]

Mike, You should Call and ask Tom the Spec`s. I`m not really Sure all what Spec`s you are Talking about.

[MIKE400EX]

I have, but he - like many others, won't give them out. Just wanted to make a comparison and maybe help out SHOOK. Has anyone bought one of his cams and received a spec (lift/duration....) sheet, or maybe measured one?

[shook]

They normally dont tell you because they are nothing more than a web 450/451 cam thats what cam all the other engine builders use.LRD, GT thunder,W/B, Trinity, Fischer all of them running 450/451.

[Dave400ex]

When I called TC he told me the Grind Numbers for the XC Cam. I forget what they were though.

[400exJOE]

Which ones require hardfacing the rockers and new valve springs? I am looking for a straight drop-in. I am between the TC xc cam, GT Thunder cam, or Hot Cam, which makes a stage 1 and 2 and say they use the stock springs. For the xr400,(which have the same specs) it says uses stock springs and rockers. Are the xr and ex rockers the same?

[Dave400ex]

Well the TC and GT Thunder are Straight Drop-Ins. It sounds like the Hot Cam may need some Mods. I would Call Hot Cam and ask.

[Tommy 17]

tcs cam is a drop in cam... when i put mine in i did replace the rockers and springs but that was just for safty reasons i didn' thave to but i think u should if the motor has alot of hours on it

[MR. HONDA EX'S]

Hey cam anybody tell me about these HOT CAMS? What rinds they have drop-in, new rockers needed, etc...... and price too!:confused:

[Dave400ex]

400ex21, Did you put Stock Rockers and Springs? How much were they?

[shook]

new rockers from service honda were $90.00 , just ordered a set today.The hot cams have been supposidley getting ready to be available to the public for the last several weeks but I havent seen any of them and everytime you call hot cam they dont answer the phone they must have 1 man operation, there cams are stage 1 246 dur. and .350 lift

[shook]

new rockers from service honda were $90.00 , just ordered a set today.The hot cams have been supposidley getting ready to be available to the public for the last several weeks but I havent seen any of them and everytime you call hot cam they dont answer the phone they must have 1 man operation, there cams are stage 1 246 dur. and .350 lift and the stage 2 is 254 dur. and .346 in. and .338 ex. They are rop in cams nothing needed just drop ins for both of them good luck with getting the to talk to you.515-402-8005 is thier number GOOD LUCK.

[Dave400ex]

Well I don`t think I will need New Rockers because mine is a 2002 and I hope to do the Motor this Winter.

[400exJOE]

Hot cams are available from Dennis Kirk. Its on page 247 in their huge 2002 off road catalog. They are a he!! of a deal...every cam is just $132.95! Plus you don't need to do a core return or anyting like other companies require. I am tempted to call Dennis Kirk's tech line and see what they have to say. They are deffinatly low priced though!

[Dave400ex]

400exJoe, Get a Hot Cam and let us know how they do.

[Tommy 17]

they were right around 100$ and i put in all stock parts...

[Dave400ex]

Well I hope I don`t have to Buy that Stuff.

[400exJOE]

Hey warriorman, I don't wanna be the test rat! I think I am going to call on them. They have a stage 1 and 2. They say 1 gives great mid and top gains and stage 2 is only for closed course or desert. Why would that be? Stage 1 specs: Intake lift~9mm, Intake duration~246, Exhaust lift~9mm, Exhaust duration~246.
Stage 2 specs: Intake lift~8.8mm, Intake duration~254, Exhaust lift~8.6, Exhaust duration~254. How do these numbers compare with other companies, and which stage do you guys think I should go with, especially with my mods.

[MIKE400EX]

The list is growing - (slowly). Here's some basic specs collected.

Lift Duration@.050"Lift
Intake Exhaust Intake Exhaust
stock 400EX cam .316 .302 234 238
XR400 .326 .321 240 244
WB All Around .345 .335 240 248
HOT/stg1 .354 .354 244 244
HOT/stg2 .346 .346 254 254
HRC .350 .339 254 256
GT Thunder .350 .345 256 256
WB Track .350 .345 256 256
WEB 450/451 .350 .345 256 256
WEB 479 .378 .378 250 250

The hot cams stage 1 should have the same bottom as an XR with a little more mid & top due to increased lift. The stage 2 is very similar to the Web 450/451(aka GTT-WB Track) or HRC, a little softer bottom w/a strong mid hit and great top. (IMHO)

[Dave400ex]

Thanks for the Info Mike.

[MR. HONDA EX'S]

Hey Mike,

Can you breakdown where the power of each cam is giong to be? i.e bottom, mid, top. I'm a little slow here. Thanks for the info. :D

[400exJOE]

I called Dennis Kirk's tech line and they were pretty helpful. He said to go with the stage one for recreation, because the stage two will have all the power on top most likely. He seemed to think that the stock rockers will work seeing that the xr400 cam says they will work. (BTY, what do you do to hardface rockers?) He told me to try and get in contact with Hot Cams themselves, but I haven't been able to find their site and he didn't have a number for them either. If anyone has the number, let me know. Thanks

[Dave400ex]

400exJoe, Let us know what Hot Cam says when you get a hold of them.

[shook]

There number is (515) 402-8005 ask for Tony.Hope this helps they werent much help for me they acted like they didnt have thier sh@# together and good luck on getting them to answer the phone.Dennis Kirk may be advertising them but do they actually have them in stock.Ive talked to several other distributors of them and they all say they havent seen nothing yet dont know what is going on with them.

[Dave400ex]

Just get a Engine Builders Cam then. They are all Good.

[shook]

That means youll be buying a TC cam he is the engine builder that is having his own grinds made the rest are all factory grinds with thier part numbers on them.

[Dave400ex]

I didn`t Understand that.

[400exJOE]

I am ordering a cam tomarrow afternoon. I want it for April break so I can ride w/ it for a week straight. I think I am gonna get the GT Thunder. Its $150, but do I need to do a core refund? I really don't want to get invovled in all that. Any thoughts? Thanks, JOE Oh yeah, Whats the best way to break in a new cam?

[Dave400ex]

Well let us know how you like the Cam.