465....I've gotta do it.

[Sandragggen]

After talking with my motor builder..I decided to go with the 465 kit. I have everything else from Sparks, so I splurged and ordered Sparks sleeve and 92mm piston today. The project will take about another 1.5 weeks, but what the h e l l...he's had it since Jan 3. I was going to use the exsisting IMS 440 kit that installed last Nov, but the alky 465 sounded more like the ticket. Gotta be ready for 4-Stroke Wars.

Jay

[Dave400ex]

It`s going to be Fast. How much Power do you think it`s going to Have?

[Chef]

somewhere around 60, thats what TrX465 is making..

Maybe I will see you at fourstroke wars pudjumper?? :D:cool:

[Dave400ex]

60? That is Nuts. I just want around 35.

[Chef]

wouldnt it be great to show up at fourstroke wars with a turboed 472EX? lol

[Dave400ex]

You Guys are Crazy.

[Warrioreater400ex]

the quadshop makes a turbo for a raptor :huh

[Chef]

the quadshop is just a distributor for turbo tech

[Sandragggen]

After looking at Sparks 465 page, I noticed that there was nothing said about larger valves. I have both larger intake and exhaust valves. Alky472 you changed your screen name. My buddy was the deciding factor on the 465. I got tired of hearing how he was gonna kick my butt with his standard bore 13:1, mild cammed and ported Raptor. He may still beat me, but the race will be closer. Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition. I am looking forward to the Glamis trip even if it takes 25 hours to get there.

The Turbo would be sweet but expensive. A NOS system will only cost $620 and is good for a extra 25 hp. How about a 85hp EX? WOOOHOOO

[velociraptor]

I think it is Mr. turbo who he distributes for, oh and by the way, you could not run a 472 with turbo becuase when you run a turbo or supercharger you want the compression on the motor to be low like around 9:1 or 9:5:1 . Now it would be nea tot see one with NOS> HEY Marty I've Got an Idea lets put NOS on the Turbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil :devil

[Dave400ex]

Pudjumper, I would think you could Beat your Friend. If not, I would still rather Ride a 465EX then a Raptor. You could get some NOS, but how much Power do you want? A 85 Horsepower 465EX? That is just Nuts.

[kabd69667]

85hp??????? You just might be asking for trouble there

[Dave400ex]

Yeah I think that is more Horsepower then a 400EX can Handle.

[Chef]

Originally posted by velociraptor
I think it is Mr. turbo who he distributes for, oh and by the way, you could not run a 472 with turbo becuase when you run a turbo or supercharger you want the compression on the motor to be low like around 9:1 or 9:5:1 . Now it would be nea tot see one with NOS> HEY Marty I've Got an Idea lets put NOS on the Turbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil :devil

Thats why you put a low comp. piston in it..

[Sandragggen]

Yea I agree. 85 hp would be to much for the EX to handle I think. You know someone will make 85hp work.

[Dave400ex]

Yeah there is always some Guy out there that has to try to do what nobody thinks he can. A 85HP EX would be Sweet though. You might want to get a Aftermarket Frame though.

[ChadEXer]

All i need is NOS:D That would be at least 85HP. im telling you,,I just might do it one of these days!! If it breaks,,,Ill fix it!!!
I will see you all at Four Stroke Wars!!! Ill be there

[Dave400ex]

Chad, You are Nuts. I don`t think you will need NOS. That would be Cool though. With that you should be able to Win Four Stroke Wars.

[Sandragggen]

I've got some Nitro Methane that I've been wanting to mess with. Like Chad say's "If it breaks,,,Ill fix it!!!".

[Dave400ex]

Isn`t a 465 or 505 enough for you Guys?

[honda400exrider]

who sells nos? 4 how much? and how do u set it up?:D

[ChadEXer]

I dont know but i think Ill look around. i just might put some NOS on mine. i wonder if you can take it off after you put it on. maybe I could just use it at Four Stroke Wars!!

[Dave400ex]

Call NOS and ask them.

[Sandragggen]

Lowe Performance sells both NOS and NX systems. Lowe's phone is 618-463-0224. Kevin or John will answer all your questions. They quoted me a price of $620 installed.

[Dave400ex]

Man you are Checking in to this. Are you really going to do it?

[Sandragggen]

I'm thinking about doing the NOS, but prob won't do it until winter....I've spent enough already this year. Just because you can go up to 25 hp NOS shot doesn't mean you have to....I figured doing maybe a 12-15 hp shot if and when I do it. Lowe Performance put a NOS system on my buddies EX and did a good job. There were a few bugs to work out in the beginning but now those problems are fixed.

[ChadEXer]

I just called and talked to Kevin. he said like $520 for the NX kit which he thinks is better than the NOS system. im going to call Tom and ask him about it and If he says it wont hurt then im going to send him the kit!!
Wow imagine the horsepower:D

[Sandragggen]

I don't think stroker motors like NOS from the way I'm understanding it. $520 is for the kit only..620 and they will install it. You will want to buy extra bottles, probably 2 or 3 and they are like $120 each. My buddy also bought the bottle warmer. Something to think about.

[ChadEXer]

Ill probably wait and see what the 505 will do first. i might do it later!

[velociraptor]

That's what I said alky you cannot runa turbo with a high compression piston--so there for you could not have a 465 with a turbo.:devil

u should make that 85 hp 400ex that would be crazy!! It will be like the 4 wheeler version of the muscle car in the fast in the furious.Maybe ull bendthe frame w/ all that power!! That would be something to be proud about, & a good story to tell all ur riding buddys

[400exdad]

Vraptor,

It could be a 400, 416, 505.... whatever. If you put the right (lower compression) piston in anything you can put a turbo or blower on it. If you are saying that they only make high comp pistons for the 465, that may be true, factory wise, but I'm sure someone can get a higher compression piston shaved or get one custom made to the correct compression. Since they have their wallet out and speding the $$ for the turbo anyway.:D

[Chef]

Originally posted by 400exdad
Vraptor,

It could be a 400, 416, 505.... whatever. If you put the right (lower compression) piston in anything you can put a turbo or blower on it. If you are saying that they only make high comp pistons for the 465, that may be true, factory wise, but I'm sure someone can get a higher compression piston shaved or get one custom made to the correct compression. Since they have their wallet out and speding the $$ for the turbo anyway.:D

Exactly...if you are already spending $4500 on a turbo, why not fork out the $200 or $300 for the custom piston?

[Dave400ex]

All of you Guys are Crazy. Do you really need NOS on a 505 or 465? Don`t you have enough Power already? That is Nuts. A 85HP 505EX would be Sweet though. If you get a 505 with NOS you better do some Serious Gusset Work on your Frame. That Frame is made for 30HP not 85. You better get a Walsh Frame.

[400exJOE]

I still like the supercharger idea. Someone should contact Eaton(sp?) and see what they could come up with for the 400ex. That would be nutz!

[ChadEXer]

I was talking to the owner of Sandragon and he said his son has a complete drag 570EX that is completely tricked out. he said it weighs 210 pounds and does the 1/4 in like 4.1 sec(I think this is what he said,,,dont yell if its not) he said there is very few Complete drag banshees that can beat it. its hard to believe but thats all they build is drag bikes over there!!! he said the carb is moved under the gas tank where it shoots strait into the cylinder or something like that. it sounds crazy!!

[Dave400ex]

Wow. A 570EX. That is a Ticking Time Bomb.

[ChadEXer]

He said he takes 2 spare starters to every race because the motor has a tendancy to burn em up!!!

[Dave400ex]

I could see that Happening. That Kid has to be Crazy.

hey 400exjoe do u mean turbocharge the quad because it would be really really hard to supercharge a wheeler if not impossible. Turbcharging however is possible. Thats what the acticle in dirt wheeles was about turbocharging a wheeler

[Dave400ex]

I would do a 25 Shot of NOS before a Turbo Charger.

[Sandragggen]

Yea, but if the turbo will double your hp...120, that might be purdy cool to. How nuts would that be. Chad did the 570 guy say what kind of hp he was getting.

[Nausty]

570ex? 4.1 sec? 210 pounds? Ok that is VERY hard to believe. You guys relize that quad ways less than my dirt bike, by like 20lbs?

[Dave400ex]

Pudjumper, Do you really think you could get 120 Horsepower?

[TrX465]

well guys i guess im goin to be the first to say hahaha i ordered the nitrous kit....:D and if it breaks I WILL FIX IT and believe me it will have a turbo out of a little wierd funny car in italy hint hint and i will beat you ALLLLLL.....not like i already can hahahah just messin .....and i hope it doesnt detonate with the high compression but hey higher the octane right the less chance of detonatation i believe that will apply to alky to ;)

[Dave400ex]

How many Shot did you Get?

[Sandragggen]

WarriorMan...anything is possible with a little know how and alot of money. Nausty....I see chromoly framed 170 lb. Banshee's all the time. 210 lb EX is believeable.

[Sandragggen]

I'm willing to bet that this quad is below well below the 200 lb. mark

[JustRace]

If you or anyone runs a 25hp shot of juice on a single cylinder motor it had better be bullit proof. Just think a 25hp shot on a cingle cylinder motor is the same amount as a 200hp shot on a V8.

[Dave400ex]

Pudjumper, That would be Nuts.

Chad, How much Horsepower does that 570EX have?

[ChadEXer]

Probably too much!!!!

[Dave400ex]

Kind of what I was thinking.

[ChadEXer]

He didnt say but im sure its enough!!!! That is definately a ticking time bomb!!

[yellowrider]

what kind of motor did you have in it last time before you decieded to get teh 505 kit and how did you like it chad?

what made you get the 505 kit in the first place i know if i had it i know it wouldnt last a week with me and i dont even race.. and i think you race so.. wouldnt it break down even faster?


i dont know man i think i will just keep mine stock and see how i do on it and whenever it breaks i know honda will cover it...

[Zero Z400]

The only roblem with a turbo is that they r'nt as good on acceleration becuase u need higher RPM's. But that would b a sweet bike!

[Dave400ex]

I`ll stick with my TC 425 I think.

[trx400ex]

i stick with my stock, and my trinity stage 5

[ChadEXer]

Ill stick with my 505:D
it used to be a 416

[TrX465]

im only goin to be runin a small shot just to give that extra little umphhh know what i mean?? well then anyways this is just a mess around bike if i had to i would bring out the 582 banshee in which has snow-mobile heads,and my 250r with a cr500 :devil

[ChadEXer]

Its gonna blow up:D

[TrX465]

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Its gonna blow up:D


nawwww, long as i run high octane *alky* then im good it wont detonate....and if it does SO WHAT....;)

[ChadEXer]

That sure is a nice motor. Its gonna suck when all of a sudden,,,,,,,KABOOOOOOM:D ;)

[Dave400ex]

Chad you better be Careful, yours is going to Blow Up too.

[TrX465]

my motors fine like i said ill buy new cases and all new bearings again as well as a cylinder dont forget i used to race at the track so yamaha suzuki of arizona gives me 40%off thats how i get stock honda parts cheap as **** ;) and i blow motor will be rebuilt with way more then 505cc :devil

[Dave400ex]

You are Crazy.

[ChadEXer]

Oh yeah,,,,,then its gonna blow again:D
If mine blows ill just put a CBR 900 motor in it:D

[Sandragggen]

Today was the first day at the track for 2002...test and tune if you will. A guy with a blown 505 rail ran a 2.7 ...letting out of it. Fastest thing I've seen in life. The earth tremeled. My Polaris ran a 5.423 in 300' loose groomed sand. Heavily modded Shee's ran 4.3's.....alky sucked at 57°. 440's ran 5.7's. Come race with us. http://www.bigriver.cjb.net/

[ChadEXer]

2.7??? Damnit!

[Dave400ex]

Chad you need yours to go that Fast.

[ChadEXer]

I dont know if I need that or not:D

[Dave400ex]

Why? You would Win all the Time. Tell Tom you want it to go that Fast.

[ChadEXer]

I told him i wanted it to be the fastest EX ever and he said either the 490 or the 505. So thats how it happened:D

[Dave400ex]

Well I bet that 505 will be one of the Fastest. Have you Talked to Tom lately?

[ChadEXer]

I called him this morning. I asked him about the clutch deal and he said " I will replace everything i think needs replaced" Whatever that means!!! He also said keep stock headers of course. He said with the stock headers my bike will be torquey as he!!. Whatever he says i guess. ill just keep the stockers and have them coated or somethin. i asked him if he got my Hinson basket I shipped to him and asked him if he got the check I put in the box. he has had it for 1 week and hasnt even opened the package yet. And there is a $1400 check in it. i forgot to ask him how much longer it will be but I have asked him that every time i talk to him and its prolly starting to irritate him!!

[Dave400ex]

Well that`s good to Hear. I bet Tom does get Mad after a while. Oh well, you are just Excited.

[ChadEXer]

I am exited!!!!! I hope it dont take much longer:(

[Dave400ex]

Chad I`m sorry, but you will have a while to Wait yet.

[ChadEXer]

Dont say that:(

Have any of you had a chance to see SPARKS RACINGS 505 run?

[Dave400ex]

Sorry Chad. After my Brother`s Motor I think it will be a While. I hope not, but I bet it is.

[ChadEXer]

You got to think positive here!!!
Sparks doesnt make the 505 anymore,,,they had to many problems with it! I havent seen anything above a 440 where i live,,and everybody rides 400EX's!!!

SPARKS does still build the 505,He just came up with a fix for the cases cracking,you know your making big power with a 400ex when the cases can't handle the power.I hope you(chad) come to glamis with your 505 for next years 4 stroke shootout .I will be back in full force with the SPARKS bikes.I would bet the farm you would"t be able to outrun are 416!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[SporTrax400]

Lyle,
Why do you think a 416 will be able to keep up with Chads? I am just curious because I am getting ready to do some motor work on my 400 and cant decide which motor to put in it.

Greg

[ChadEXer]

He is just BS'in. Hes not crazy enough to really believe that I promise. Tom is one of the best(if not the BEST) engine builder in the country. I would recommend you sending your motor to him!!!
Sparks builds damned fast bikes but he will even admit that his bike are unreliable. he told me quote " you will eventually have problems with the 465" and "we dont build the 505 no more because the cases kept splitting"! not only that you have to wait a year to get it back from him. i know Sparks has a good name but i just didnt see myself sending him my motor!

We can keyboard race forever all I know is I have never seen aEX run as hard as SPARKS do, we took 3 ex's to the 4 stroke wars and they were all faster then everything there!!The only thing that goes wrong with the 505 is the cases can't handle the load.465 are pretty much bullet proof,I have thrashed on one for 3 years and the only problems been a broken clutch basket!Bring your best stuff to the 4 stroke wars next year and we will see!Lyle:cool:

[Sandragggen]

Lyle...does Curtis do both larger intake and exhaust valves in his 465's. On Sparks site I saw only a 3-angle valve job.....nothing about larger valves. My 465 should be done in a week or so. My builder should be ready to clay it up by this weekend. I'll be at Lil Sahara, OK. May 9-13 if anyone wants to see how it runs.

[ChadEXer]

TC didnt have a bike at FSW thats why Sparks dominated. TC and Sparks do almost the same thing on everything they do(I know i talked for hours to both of them before I decided) By what TC does I would say his port work is better than Sparks(based on how they described they do it and using flow bench testing),,,other than that the only difference is the carb,,,and everybody knows,,by dyno tests,,that the Lectron pumps out more HP under WOT than any other carb. Equal rider there is no doubt the TC 505 will be faster,,thats why my motor is at TC!!
Have you ever seen a TC RACING 505 RUN???

[Dave400ex]

I agree with Chad. Sparks and TC do the same Stuff. They just use didn`t Brands of Parts. There is no doubt in my Mind the TC 505 would beat a Sparks 465. I guess we will have to Find Out.

All I know is I have the plaque and if you think can bring your piles to the next 4 stroke wars and all try not to hurt your feelings to much!!!

[Sandragggen]

It would be worth the trip to watch Lyle graciously lose the plaque. I know there are some Bombers making room on their walls for the prize. The competition will be stiffer next year. Time to bring out the secret weapon.

[Tommy 17]

i think both engine builders are good but personally i am with chad here... i think the tc motors are better but i also think that sparks has the best pipes... its all ur prefernces on which motor and what size bore and stroke u want and the pipe etc... but my stuff will all be tc now!!!!

[Chef]

I plan on being at fourstroke wars if I keep the EX...if i dont keep it, i will be there with a big bore alky raptor...do they allow turbos in that drag race?

[stevengates45]

I really wander who has the better porting? A Sparks ported 300 head & a TC were compared down here a couple years ago & although the TC & sparks were really really good port jobs, the sparks seemed to be a little nicer.

[Dave400ex]

Alky472, You might get a Raptor? That would be Awesome to make a Sparks 690 or something on Alky and NOS. Now that would Fly.

[JustRace]

Alky already has a raptor.

[ChadEXer]

Come on now Alky,,thats not fair!! No turbos allowed!!!! I will be there!! I cant wait. I think Lyle probably doesnt even have a motor kit and just WISHES he had a Sparks bike!!!! you can just tell when people talk like that!!!
I just couldnt imagine a sparks 465 beating a TC 505,,,or even a Sparks 505 beating it. We all know Tom does good work!! open any ATV magazine and i will GIVE you my TC 505 if you cant find something about Toms MAGIC or one of his bikes winning a race!!!
I talked to both of them and my motor is at TC!!!!!!
i also agree with 400ex21,,,TC has the best motors ,,but Sparks prolly has the best pipes! now Im not sure because i have never seen the 2 dyno'ed or anything but i just like that Sparks has the full system. if TC made a full system it would be close. Tom says the stock headers are good for torque, and thats what he is all about,,,,hey guys maybe HP dont matter anymore, its all about the torque!!!!! Tom has been a torque man forever and his bikes sure are fast!!!

[Chef]

Ok, ok, I wont use a turbo, But I promise that I will show up with somethin....you guys wont know until you see the back of it..:D

[ChadEXer]

As long as there is no cheating!!!!

Am I going to have to hide a bottle somewhere on mine:D

Chad if you don't think so call SPARKS and ask who Lyle is ,you can also ask SDUNCAN on this forum.If thats not enough go to atv conn. yamaha board and start asking around!If you guys thought the RAPTOR was fast wait tell you see the 505 run ,Chad you are in for a very long drive home!

[Chef]

Actually, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see a Sparks bike outrun an equal TC bike in the sand...TC is more for woods and tight stuff...sparks opens them up for the sand and stuff with his big motors....

[Jekyl_22]

Didn't someone say that TC uses a Lectron Carb? I thought that he was all about torque... and according to Dirwheels or some other magazine: the lectron produces less torque than the 400ex's stock carb. I would want the Keihn 40mm carburetor, it produced almost exactly the same peak horsepower as the lectron, but has much more torque.

[ChadEXer]

Lyle, Man why dont you quit BS'n with this mine is faster than yours $hit. Personally I dont give a *** if it is but I highly doubt it. Quit bumpin your gums,,,Ill see you there.
And yes Alky Tom is going to open mine up. I would assume your meaning the port work because thats the only way to "open" up a motor. Tom said if anybody ports it more than he does then the head would split as soon as you hit the gas!!! Port work is very important on a big bore motor and i talked about porting with all of the builders and i like what Tom is doing best. I highly believe that if i put my bike on alky(like Sparks does) that it would be just as fast, if not faster, than a Sparks bike. But I will still run gas in mine and probably still beat it!!!
And lyle, what happened to the Sparks 505 at FSW?? Why did the 465 beat the Sparks 505????

The 505 broke a key way,the 465 is know match for the 505.As for flapping my gums,I just kinda got sick of listening to you beat your own drum!Lyle:D :macho

[ChadEXer]

What is a key way???
Do you think the 505 will beat the Sparks 725 Raptor???? What did Sparks do to keep the cases from splitting. I remember talking to FST and Mickey said one reason would probably be from too high compression. What comp pistons does Sparks run???

The key way is what holds the flywheel in the correct postion,as for the SPARKS 725 RAPTOR there is know such bike ,the biggest RAPTOR that SPARKS has done is 686 which he calls a 690.Yes the 505 will beat the 690 that was at the 4 stroke wars!I could tell ya what the comp.is but; you now:D Lyle

Well I think I'm faster than all of you...soooo :blah

[Honda Guy]

what are 4stroke wars?

Originally posted by Honda Guy
what are 4stroke wars?

It's basically a motorhead gathering of all the people in the US who think there thumper is the fastest...only 4 strokes can enter and it's a drag race..and I beleive it's held in Cali,,,sparks racing dominated it last year. These guys are talking all this smack out here,,there lucky I live out here in KY,,cuz I'd come out there and whoop up on all of them..:D

That is if we wuz on a mx track...:eek:

[ChadEXer]

Rico is right. he would prolly spank me on a MX track. Im a 100% drag racer but I do do:D some flattrackin sometimes. i plan to start racing more TT and i might even try MX when i get my motor back in! beware Rico im learnin!!!!

[Chef]

When they still had the 505 on the website i think it said it could 13:1 or 14:1 comp ratio..did they change it since then?

Originally posted by ChadEXer
i plan to start racing more TT

That 505 should rip around a TT track..

[ChadEXer]

It should! i had a couple friends go down to the TT track the other day and they said it an adrenaline rush like he!! wide open around the track with all those quads right around you!!! i cant wait!!

[Dave400ex]

The only thing Bad about TT is if you get your Tires stuck together you are going to be Flipping.

and goin to be a speed bump

[Honda Guy]

Im not trying to start an argument but is TT really that fun? I have never done it but it doesn't look that great but every now and then I play on the street and its kinna cool drag racing is really cool though.

[Chef]

It looks like it would be fun to me. I think TT is for people that like goin really fast, big powerslides, and want their quad to not get all muddy during the race..

[Sandragggen]

We all can talk about how fast our EX's are gonna be....SHOW ME.

[ChadEXer]

Yeah i like how you are wide open on the TT course. That adrenaline rush has got to be fun!!!!! Goin that fast with all those quads right next to you!!!!

[Dave400ex]

I think TT Racing is Cool. I like watching it, but I wouldn`t want to Race it.

[ChadEXer]

Why not??? Scared:D

[Dave400ex]

Who are you Talking to?

[ChadEXer]

you said you like whatching TT but you wouldnt want to race it. I was just messin with ya:D

I will definitly get into TT racing,,but I got to get the MX side of the 416 done first,,then on to TT setup,,which isn't cheap,,I believe tires are $95 each,, plus shocks,,etc,,but hammerin down on a oval with 19 other idiots does sound like a rush.

[ChadEXer]

I cant wait to do it:D

[Dave400ex]

Ok Chad.

TT Racing is Expensive too. You really need to have ZPS Shocks and some other Stuff. Travis Spader`s TT 250r was still right around $22,000. That is Crazy, but I guess it`s Worth it.