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Pappy

07-10-2004, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by honda350r
The whole world hates the Bush family! Mister Bush is the reason we have a problem with terrorist in America!

The truth hurts! Get over it !

c'mon dude, you need to get you act together.

the terrorists had planned the sept 11th attacks long before bush was in office. and if your refering to the bush family, there is documented evidence that they had plans to attack the US before he(George Sr.) was in office.

terrorism didnt just start, its has just grown and while they may use bush as an excuse, if kerry gets in he will be the next infidel so dont kid yourself.

these people dont like anyone that isnt muslim and under thier control. it doesnt matter who you like (bush /kerry) the problem isnt going away. it started over 20 years ago and will be here 20 years from now.

im so sick off hearing the bashing from both sides...it makes america look weak.

thursday

07-10-2004, 08:21 AM

i thought it was a great movie:macho gives ya both sides of the coin

Pappy

07-10-2004, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by thursday
i thought it was a great movie:macho gives ya both sides of the coin

i havent seen it yet, but i agree, opposing views are a good thing.

i was watching a show on the discovery channel last week, and they openly showed "detainees" captured in the field and interogated and there was several instances where they showed physical abuse. this was in afghanistan not iraq. i just find it humorous that noone has cried foul but in iraq they will:p

the world is so jacked up its scary

SRH

07-10-2004, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by honda350r
The whole world hates the Bush family! Mister Bush is the reason we have a problem with terrorist in America!

The truth hurts! Get over it !

i agree i never talked to anyone who likes bush or disagrees with that comment except on here, and you can tell the ones who do are all gun toting rednecks

hate to say it but saddam hussein had soem really good points and comments about america and bush

lol

07-10-2004, 08:41 AM

you know, i think both bush and kerry arent great but kerry os better:rolleyes:

bradley300

07-10-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by honda350r
The whole world hates the Bush family! Mister Bush is the reason we have a problem with terrorist in America!

The truth hurts! Get over it !

no, bush is the reason they havent tried it again

I-7

07-10-2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by trick450r
i agree with your opinion about the movie but you have to understand that he can make a movie about whatever the **** he wants....and i think bush is a moron, and he has no chance of becoming president again...especially not with a guy like howard stern out their voicing his opinion on the election, cuz you no what he has LOTS of viewers (i was told 18 million) and if he says dont vote bush than bush just lost at the very least 18,000,000 votes!!!

18,000,000 votes... I dont think so buddy and besides... last I knew howard stern got kicked off the air.

The terrorists arent targeting us because of bush... their targeting us because we arent muslims

SRH

07-10-2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Mojave11
18,000,000 votes... I dont think so buddy and besides... last I knew howard stern got kicked off the air.

The terrorists arent targeting us because of bush... their targeting us because we arent muslims

stern is still on the air i been listening to him every morning for the last year

Rdhanded2

07-10-2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by trick450r
i agree with your opinion about the movie but you have to understand that he can make a movie about whatever the **** he wants....and i think bush is a moron, and he has no chance of becoming president again...especially not with a guy like howard stern out their voicing his opinion on the election, cuz you no what he has LOTS of viewers (i was told 18 million) and if he says dont vote bush than bush just lost at the very least 18,000,000 votes!!!

If Howard Stern tells me not to vote for Bush, that just makes me want to vote for him even more. Stern is an outspoken cry baby with too much money. I find it sad that you think 18,000,000 AMERICAN people will base their vote on the opinion of a radio jockey. I pray that we have more free will power as a nation than that.

bradley300

07-10-2004, 10:49 AM

stern was only kicked off clear channel stations.

my bet is, if kerry is elected and pulls out of the war, we will be atacked in months and the same liberals that hate the current war will be begging for another one:rolleyes:

Rdhanded2

07-10-2004, 11:02 AM

Clear Channel owns over 1,200 radio stations and 37 television stations, with investments in 240 radio stations globally, and Clear Channel Entertainment (aka SFX, one of their more well-known subsidiaries) owns and operates over 200 venues nationwide. They are in 248 of the top 250 radio markets, controlling 60% of all rock programming. They outright own the tours of musicians like Janet Jackson, Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Madonna and N'Sync. They own the network which airs Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Casey Kasem, and the Fox Sports Radio Network. With 103,000,000 listeners in the U.S. and 1,000,000,000 globally.

I found this on another site. Getting kicked off Clear Channel is a BIG THING! Oh well, free speach, so preach on Stern, I guess. I just hope people will listen to Stern and Moore, and then view both sides so that they can make an educated decision on their own. Too many people just do what they are told by whatever media they are subject to.

Greg Z

07-10-2004, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by honda350r
The whole world hates the Bush family! Mister Bush is the reason we have a problem with terrorist in America!

The truth hurts! Get over it ! actually MR Bill Clinton had 3 chances to kill Bin Laden and he didnt.. If he was dead im sure 9/11 would of never happend;). And after 9/11 there hasnt been 1 terrorist attack.. They have cought many threats before.. Like the guy in the truck heading towards a bridge in Queens NY or some where in that area going into Manhatten he said he was about to blow the bridge down.. for Al Queda. Were doing a good job now about terrorism and we cant let some FAKE (Kerry) stop this

tcyfz#3

07-10-2004, 12:36 PM

all kerry talks about is that health care stuff.......i mean yea we do need that but if someone comes and bombs the chit out of us there wont be anyone alive for health care.....tell me if im wrong?

96FMF300EX

07-10-2004, 01:47 PM

I agree with Greg Z. Clinton had numerous chances to kill bin laden and stop the terror attecks. And secondly I hate people who say the economy is poor because of bush and that he is running this country into the ground. I just read the newspaper the other day and the economy is predicted to be the highest its been in 20 years.

questionable33

07-10-2004, 02:15 PM

Here is the problem with stern getting so involved with this election. He is getting uneducated teenagers who only here what stern says about the election to vote for kerry. here is what i suggest even tho i am a year away from voting. Think of which guy osoma binladen would want to be president....bush or kerry..... than vote for the other guy. I am sure binladen would want kerry.......hence the reason i support bush. as for that dub movie.....i saw the fat *** newmen looking director guy who made it and was liek.....nope not seeing it there is no way it is good. .....ahah

Tantal

07-10-2004, 02:49 PM

The movie was totally biased, which should be expected. It's quite obvious that Mikey Moore has an agenda. Mikey is uneducated in world conflict/history, yet he continues to open his mouth about the subject in question. He should (really, all of Hollywood types) learn to keep his mouth shut - this way he will not make himself look like a total fool.

Bush is overall a very good president and given our other options, he really is the best man for the job. Put yourself in his shoes, look at what he has to deal with everyday, the stresses, decisions, etc.; yet the liberals continue to make his job harder by lying and reporting only a piece of the whole story. Yes, Bush is not perfect, but who is?

The vast majority of people that bash Bush are ignorant, uneducated, morons that don't even know half of the complete history of what has happened leading up to now. I say to all... Wake up to reality and do some research on the various conflicts in the Middle East & the history of the United States.

Kerry is a total nightmare. Let's take a look at what Klintoon did when he was in office... 1. various Gun bans, 2. Cut military funding, 3. Got us in hot water all over the world/didn't finish what he got us into (three examples of many: stirring up hornets nests in Somalia, Iraq, & Afghanistan), 4. pardoned high profile cocaine dealers, etc., etc.; I can only imagine what Kerry would do... :(

"A vote for Kerry is a vote for Osama" ~

Greg Z

07-10-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by questionable33
Here is the problem with stern getting so involved with this election. He is getting uneducated teenagers who only here what stern says about the election to vote for kerry. here is what i suggest even tho i am a year away from voting. Think of which guy osoma binladen would want to be president....bush or kerry..... than vote for the other guy. I am sure binladen would want kerry.......hence the reason i support bush. as for that dub movie.....i saw the fat *** newmen looking director guy who made it and was liek.....nope not seeing it there is no way it is good. .....ahah Im telling you I dont want to scare any one but Remember what Alqueda did in spain.? they bombed the train station and every one voted for Socialist guy. Why? because every one was scared and he knew that they would pull out of where ever alqueda didnt want them to.. I have a feeling the same thing is going to happen here.. I dont want to believe it but its the real world and there are sick people out there that are willing to do this and die for "Allah"

diesel-mech

07-10-2004, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Greg Z
actually MR Bill Clinton had 3 chances to kill Bin Laden and he didnt.. If he was dead im sure 9/11 would of never happend;). And after 9/11 there hasnt been 1 terrorist attack.. They have cought many threats before.. Like the guy in the truck heading towards a bridge in Queens NY or some where in that area going into Manhatten he said he was about to blow the bridge down.. for Al Queda. Were doing a good job now about terrorism and we cant let some FAKE (Kerry) stop this

I was involved in 2 attemps to find Bin laden when he bombed the embassy in Somolia. This was Days after the Army had their big screw up in Somolia and Ruanda (black hawk down) We (U.S. marines) where very limited on what extent we could go to find him. The U.N. wouldn't agree to give us total freedom to bring him to justice. We were told by the U.N. to let it be and Clinton dropped it. He didn't have the balls to tell them to f--- off like G.W. Bush does! We where in Somolia armed and ready to go after him and they changed our orders to a "humanitarian issue" so we stayed to clear all the americans out of Somolia.(I hope I'm allowed to say this stuff) We had already sent 1st force recon and some navy seals in the night before and They knew where he was. We (Marines Involved in the op.) were totally pi$$ed, But we had no say in the matter. So we let him go. If Kerry is president they well never be allowed to find him again!

oldsandman

07-10-2004, 06:09 PM

The whereabouts of OBL were known pre 9-11 unfourtunatly we had a Pres. , NSC and JCS that were too concerned with KIA's and potential MIA's. The politics, polling and lack of backbone were the deciding factors on a course of action. Basicaly lets get our hands dirty(kill and be killed) piss some people off (other countries). Or lob some slcm's at some sand...do little or no damage and call it a day...unfourtunatly we chose the latter.

Diesel mech were you in for Haiti? That was cute...playing cops with empty mags!

diesel-mech

07-10-2004, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by oldsandman
The whereabouts of OBL were known pre 9-11 unfourtunatly we had a Pres. , NSC and JCS that were too concerned with KIA's and potential MIA's. The politics, polling and lack of backbone were the deciding factors on a course of action. Basicaly lets get our hands dirty(kill and be killed) piss some people off (other countries). Or lob some slcm's at some sand...do little or no damage and call it a day...unfourtunatly we chose the latter.

Diesel mech were you in for Haiti? That was cute...playing cops with empty mags!

Nope. I had no part in Haiti.
AS for OBL Pre 9/11 the politics weren't there to back up an arrest. The american people didn't care about catching him. 75% of america forgot or never knew who he was in the first place If the pres. would have went after him, caught him, and stopped 9/11 the american people would have called Bush a bully and went on beleaving that nobody could ever harm america. Even if our press. did know about 9/11 before hand his whole cabinet would have told him to ignore the warning. Preventing it would have been career suicide for any press.because knowbody would have beleaved it could ever happen. You can bet your ***** that anybody we elect will do the same thing! Protecting the american people comes 2nd They are going to take care of #1 1st. The all mighty dollar is why so many people died on 9/11. It doesn't matter who was president

No matter what happened skeptics are going to claim that had THEY been in the pres. shoes nothing bad would have happened (because they are secret super heroes). Had Bush stopped 9/11 they would have ripped him apart for wasting the tax $$$ to find and detain OBL. Now they are saying they would have caught all the bad guys by now and not lost any american lives in the process. More super heroe B.S.

SRH

07-10-2004, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Greg Z
actually MR Bill Clinton had 3 chances to kill Bin Laden and he didnt.. If he was dead im sure 9/11 would of never happend;). And after 9/11 there hasnt been 1 terrorist attack.. They have cought many threats before.. Like the guy in the truck heading towards a bridge in Queens NY or some where in that area going into Manhatten he said he was about to blow the bridge down.. for Al Queda. Were doing a good job now about terrorism and we cant let some FAKE (Kerry) stop this

yeah but there are hundreds of others who would of taken bin ladens place, why would clinton stir the pot even worse maybe trigger 10 times the amount of hijacked flights that day anddo more damage if they were pissed off

no man is going to stop terrorism, definetly not bush, just going to have to let things take there course and protect wha6t we can

all i have to say whether bush did the right thing or not he came across as the biggest dip**** the us has seen and made america look like a joke, u cant deny that, in his speeches he cant pronounce words and when asked about why there was no weapons of mass destruction found after a 20 second pause his only retailiation in front of millions of viewers with a puzzled face is " there still could be"

things where good when clinton was in office he was likable intelligent womanizer that loved recieving oral pleasure, finnding other uses for cigars like every other american, anyone ever see the sitcom about bush on comedy central they play off how stupid he appears, hes just an idiot and if any other countries want are support we need to get a president that doesnt seem so ******* dumb

SRH

07-10-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by diesel-mech
Nope. I had no part in Haiti.
AS for OBL Pre 9/11 the politics weren't there to back up an arrest. The american people didn't care about catching him. 75% of america forgot or never knew who he was in the first place If the pres. would have went after him, caught him, and stopped 9/11 the american people would have called Bush a bully and went on beleaving that nobody could ever harm america. Even if our press. did know about 9/11 before hand his whole cabinet would have told him to ignore the warning. Preventing it would have been career suicide for any press.because knowbody would have beleaved it could ever happen. You can bet your ***** that anybody we elect will do the same thing! Protecting the american people comes 2nd They are going to take care of #1 1st. The all mighty dollar is why so many people died on 9/11. It doesn't matter who was president

No matter what happened skeptics are going to claim that had THEY been in the pres. shoes nothing bad would have happened (because they are secret super heroes). Had Bush stopped 9/11 they would have ripped him apart for wasting the tax $$$ to find and detain OBL. Now they are saying they would have caught all the bad guys by now and not lost any american lives in the process. More super heroe B.S.

i agree with that completely but it doesnt change my opinion of bush, i dont know so much hes a bad president but his decisions and the stuff he does all together just make him look stupid, i know alot of u know what im talking about

diesel-mech

07-10-2004, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by SRH
i agree with that completely but it doesnt change my opinion of bush, i dont know so much hes a bad president but his decisions and the stuff he does all together just make him look stupid, i know alot of u know what im talking about

I won't disagree that Bush can sound stupid. I think it is mostly that he is unorganized and (Like me) he has to think about how he is going to say something before he finds the best way to make his point. I admit he has dissapointed me with some horrible answers to questions that he should have been prepaired to answer. But I trust Him! He does what he says he is going to do to the best of his abilty.He also said there would be information that he can't share because it may compromise our troops (this may be a reason for so of the stupid answers) Its not his fault they found no major weapons in Iraqu. Military intelligence tells him this stuff and provides him with evidence to beleave it is true. So he brings it to the american people.(like he should) Its not his fault they haven't found anything but he doesn't throw the blame at the military He takes responsibility and he still has faith that they are correct. Thats a good man. He holds his ground and sticks to his guns, If it turns out they were wrong Bush will take the blame not try to blame someone else like Kerry would. And what if they were right and just haven't been found yet??? You can bet If Kerry is elected they won't find them because he doesn't want them to be found.

I flat out don't trust Kerry. He is to into bashing G.W. I don't think he really has a clue how to be president, His plan is to make Bush look so bad that He is your only option

oldsandman

07-10-2004, 11:24 PM

Pres. Bush is so "stupid" that he has a Bachelors degree from Yale and an MBA from Yale. I wonder how many that ? his intelligence can match his scholarship. As for 'stan & Iraq at least he has the Nads to see it through.

TDBRPH

07-11-2004, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Tantal

"A vote for Kerry is a vote for Osama" ~

Amen

DEAL

07-11-2004, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by oldsandman
Pres. Bush is so "stupid" that he has a Bachelors degree from Yale and an MBA from Yale. I wonder how many that ? his intelligence can match his scholarship. As for 'stan & Iraq at least he has the Nads to see it through.

If he was born into a different family would he have that education?
Money is more powerful than intelligence.

400exdad

07-11-2004, 12:09 PM

I liked Mikeys movie "Roger and Me"... to me it showed the poor performance of GM's executives, loss of jobs for the Detroit area due to the moving of jobs to south of the border. Meanwhile, these executives were living high on the golden parachutes.

However, I won't go see his new movie. It is driven by only one thing... get Kerry elected. From what I've heard.. He seemed to make Bush look like fool in the classroom, but really, what was he supposed to do? In my opinion he did the right thing. If he had stormed out the classroom, the kids would have been in shock and the news would have bashed him. Mikey would have painted it a totally different way if that had occurred!

I voted for Clinton twice, WHAT WAS I THINKING?... :huh it seemed like the right thing to do at the time, but in the last term, I was ashamed of Clinton and my vote. He brought the White House to a new all time low! I'm sure he was called a number of times and the person on the other end of the line would say "Mr. President there has been a catastrophe, we need to deal with OBL... and then he would prolly say, not now, I'm busy and hang up the phone. Then say... keep doing it just like that Monica.

In my opinion, Bush picks a course, and stays on it. Thats the only way to get things done, and thats why I'll be voting for him again. SRH, if you'll listen to more than just Howard Stern, you'll at least have information from different viewpoints. Try listening to Rush or Shaun Hannity... :)

deisel mech, I want to take this opportunity to say that I appreciate your service for this country... as well as, all those who are serving right now or have served in the past.

TDBRPH

07-11-2004, 02:30 PM

Let the Hannitization begin

trick450r

07-11-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Rdhanded2
If Howard Stern tells me not to vote for Bush, that just makes me want to vote for him even more. Stern is an outspoken cry baby with too much money. I find it sad that you think 18,000,000 AMERICAN people will base their vote on the opinion of a radio jockey. I pray that we have more free will power as a nation than that.

Believe it he has more media than any person that has EVER bean on the air, and for the person that saied he got kicked off the air, haha nope clearchannel fired him from six stations, to bad other companies hired him and he is on 90 stations now!!! if you have ever listened to him people come on the air and say...howard your right bush sucks!!! and by the way even if he is an outspoken crybaby i dont know of any other outspoken crybaby that had...andy dick, rob snyder, and david spade call in within 2 days!!! he has also had BOB HOPE on the show in the past!!!!!!

trick450r

07-11-2004, 02:58 PM

You guys trust FAR to much in your government, let me quickly bring up the kennedy assasination although im sure none of you are real educated in this...if you think kennedy was shot from the library By Lee Harvy Oswald then you have no idea, the zecruter film shows a bullit coming from the grassy knowl...the government didnt investigate this at all in fact 40 or so people had pictures and memories and knew exactly where a man was standing in the grassy knowl, but every one of these 40 or so people died within months...heart attacks, hit and runs, stray bullits who killed them all?? THE GOVERNMENT after reading this post ask your self who killed Kennedy and then i sure hope you all qeustion your trust in the Government!!!!!

F0URZER0ZER0

07-11-2004, 05:21 PM

i havent read this whole thread but i have my own opinion. luckly i will be able to vote for this upcoming election in nov. dont lable me as a kid because of my views as i am probably more educated about politics as most grownups are. i have both watched this movie and read the paper and watch the news daily. upon watching this movie i learned many things about bush that i was naive about before. first off, i think that bush is a shady person who was money hungry and wanted to strike it rich. i also believe that 9.11 was a action aimed toward bush and the bush family. id recommend people watch this movie because there are many facts that are brought out about him that were hidden before. for instance, the bin ladens invested money in bushes oil company which eventually went sour. sounds to me that two planes that flew that day were aimed at bush. also how bush changed his military records that the public requested to hear. if you watch the movie it shows how bush killed innocent women and children and attacked people who have nothing to do with "the war on terror". bush wanted to put an oil pipe throgh several countries including afghanistan. its a little too coincidental that he had done buisness with the bin laden family and coincidentally they are the ones that attacked our country. in my words, i think he is a shady president who sucks at golf even after being on vacation 42% of the time in office. at least ill be 18 by this election and show my view by voting KERRY in this election

Tantal

07-11-2004, 06:05 PM

Fair warning... Anyone going to see Trikey Moore's film should not forget to pack their tin foil covers, and hip-waders!

Tantal

07-11-2004, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by F0URZER0ZER0
i havent read this whole thread but i have my own opinion. luckly i will be able to vote for this upcoming election in nov. dont lable me as a kid because of my views as i am probably more educated about politics as most grownups are. i have both watched this movie and read the paper and watch the news daily. upon watching this movie i learned many things about bush that i was naive about before. first off, i think that bush is a shady person who was money hungry and wanted to strike it rich. i also believe that 9.11 was a action aimed toward bush and the bush family. id recommend people watch this movie because there are many facts that are brought out about him that were hidden before. for instance, the bin ladens invested money in bushes oil company which eventually went sour. sounds to me that two planes that flew that day were aimed at bush. also how bush changed his military records that the public requested to hear. if you watch the movie it shows how bush killed innocent women and children and attacked people who have nothing to do with "the war on terror". bush wanted to put an oil pipe throgh several countries including afghanistan. its a little too coincidental that he had done buisness with the bin laden family and coincidentally they are the ones that attacked our country. in my words, i think he is a shady president who sucks at golf even after being on vacation 42% of the time in office. at least ill be 18 by this election and show my view by voting KERRY in this election

Don't believe everything you see on T.V. and/or read in the paper. Do some independent research on the subject in question and you will be surprised with what you come up with.

MOFO

07-11-2004, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by SRH

hate to say it but saddam hussein had soem really good points and comments about america and bush

I think this statement alone makes everything else you say absolutely invalid and un-american. Go get yourself a few hundred bucks and take the first plane outta here....

Its kinda funny to read your posts about politics... absolutely NO facts... just trash.... and I dont mind seeing other peoples point of views, but I wouldnt even consider your statements a "point of view"....just trash.

I'm so sick and tired of the people in this country that really think our country is the bad one in the world and we deserve this terrorism crap. :mad:

MOFO

07-11-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by honda350r
The whole world hates the Bush family! Mister Bush is the reason we have a problem with terrorist in America!

The truth hurts! Get over it !

I highly suggest you change your little saying of "I know more than you"... if you really did know the facts, you would know our problem with Terrorism has NOTHING to do with President Bush, or any other president for that matter. They have a problem with our free society and democracy.

honda350r

07-11-2004, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by MOFO
I highly suggest you change your little saying of "I know more than you"... if you really did know the facts, you would know our problem with Terrorism has NOTHING to do with President Bush, or any other president for that matter. They have a problem with our free society and democracy.

I highly suggest you don't tell me what to do ! I have my opinions and you have yours !

diesel-mech

07-11-2004, 10:13 PM

OK Look.
Abraham Linoln Is dead. And so are your hopes of electing a pres. that isn't triing to build his (or her) personal bank account! People are greedy and power builds more greed. The day we find a Pres. that will souly try to help the american people we should allow them to run as many freakin terms as they wish!
As for Bush being the target for 9/11??? I highly doubt it. Bin Laden has made several attemps on the U.S. with other leaders in the White House. He has been triing to organize a big attack to show the world, YES I SAID "THE WORLD" how powerful he can be. He succeeded. If you wanted to proove that you are the most powerful man if the world how would you do it? You'ld hurt the country that everybody sees as the most powerful! I'm sure that having Bush in the White house made it easy to get Sadam to help but thats about it.
Now about Sadam, He is no dummy! Bushes plan was to liberate Iraq, Free the people so they could start a Democracy. Because who wouldn't preferr a democracy???? Well here lies the major problem in liberating Iraq. They are not embracing democracy. Although Sadam was a ruthless tyrant, he kept order in an anarchist country. Now with no one ruling with an iron fist like Sadam did they fell back into anarchy and will stay that way until they are forced to live a controlled life style. Sadam took control of the country and ruled by force. He lived better than you can ever imagine. He alone made fools of the entire United Nations. Bush does not under estimate Sadam! You cannot say that for Kerry. Sadam has to be controlled or we will all pay dearly eventually.
Now as for the killing of woman, childeren, and innocent people in hostle countries... YOU LISTEN TO ME NOW!!! You have no F---in clue what it is like to be there. Tonight when you go to sleep you kneel beside your bed and you thank GOD that you have not had to see what we have seen!!! and you pray for those who have!!! You go on living your life thinking that the world is a wonderful place, Thats what we fight for, so you don't have to know what happens outside your comfy little neighborhood. I'll tell you this... Imagine triing to sleep in a dirt floor shack waking up every couple minutes in a panic because you think that a little kid is triing to kill you. It would be scarey as a dream but its terrifiing when its reality. So you have know right to judge anything they do!

Butters

07-12-2004, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by trick450r
You guys trust FAR to much in your government, let me quickly bring up the kennedy assasination although im sure none of you are real educated in this...if you think kennedy was shot from the library By Lee Harvy Oswald then you have no idea, the zecruter film shows a bullit coming from the grassy knowl...the government didnt investigate this at all in fact 40 or so people had pictures and memories and knew exactly where a man was standing in the grassy knowl, but every one of these 40 or so people died within months...heart attacks, hit and runs, stray bullits who killed them all?? THE GOVERNMENT after reading this post ask your self who killed Kennedy and then i sure hope you all qeustion your trust in the Government!!!!!

thank goodness the government took care of it!

member

07-12-2004, 01:32 AM

i dont like people who are completly anti-bush or anti kerry, cant anyone step back and look at everything, and what you read in the paper is not always true, before bashing one or the other do some research on what you read and see what the whole story... alright i thought id just throw that in jus cuz

MY450R

07-12-2004, 07:26 AM

listen to howard stern for more than 5 min
listen to him for a while like a year or until you get to know who he really is and most of you would tend to agree with him
you cant just listen for 5 min and know exactly what he is talking about i know at first he seems stupid and that he doesn't know what he is talking about.ive been listening for about ten years now and i can tell you he is very careful not to say something unless ist truthfull
stern is the best!!!!!!!!

400exdad

07-12-2004, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by F0URZER0ZER0
i havent read this whole thread ......a shady person who was money hungry and wanted to strike it rich.

Try reading the whole thread.... you might learn something.... I know I have and I have been surprised how informed some teens are today.

Unfortunately politics is almost synonomous with the last part of your statement above. You have to vote for who you believe will do a better job and do what he says. Bush has done what he has said he was going to do, even if it wasn't the most popular. He did what was right. Kerry on the other hand, well there is know telling what he is going to do. He can't even make up his own mind. It makes up his mind by which way the wind blows at any given moment.

400exdad

07-12-2004, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by MY450R
listen to howard stern for more than 5 min
listen to him for a while like a year or until you get to know who he really is and most of you would tend to agree with him
you cant just listen for 5 min and know exactly what he is talking about i know at first he seems stupid and that he doesn't know what he is talking about.ive been listening for about ten years now and i can tell you he is very careful not to say something unless ist truthfull
stern is the best!!!!!!!!

I tried. He is too self absorbed and there is too much BS to wade through to get to his message. Truthfully, I never knew he had a message. I thought his only plan was to get strippers and porn stars to sit on his lap during his 9-5'er. :blah:

rr4406pak

07-12-2004, 02:37 PM

I'm voting for Bush! Nothing would piss off those damn extremist Muslims more than that.

PS: Oh by the way, Kerry is a tree hugger (documented fact) so say bye-bye to your quad and snowmoblie lands! There is nothing the "greenies" hate more than off-road recreational vehicles! THAT IS A FACT!

PSS: Don't give in like the cowardly Spaniards!!!

Greg Z

07-12-2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by rr4406pak

PSS: Don't give in like the cowardly Spaniards!!! i agree

MOFO

07-12-2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by rr4406pak

PSS: Don't give in like the cowardly Spaniards!!!

exactly... and I'm already seeing articles about some type of attack to disrupt our election process... attempting to scare people to vote for Kerry...

their thinking is, it worked in Spain, it might work in the US.

markdb420

07-12-2004, 03:35 PM

Stern is a no talent bum that feeds on the stupid lazy redneck morons for his paycheck! I listened to his show and in 2000 he was a Bush Guy! Go figure he gets a smack on the wrist and then crys like a baby! It is a good thing that his brainwashed audience is mainly pre pubescent teen age boys that cannot or don't vote! He is just someone trying to make a buck, just like the rest of us and that is his right. We have standards that the FCC enforces and if you don't like that then don't vote for Bush or Kerry as both will censor fart jokes and Howards crap!
He has the right to be an *** just like that "stupid fatass Michael Moore". Moore was an elitist kid raised in the expensive neighborhood outside Detroit. He is a loser and also just making a buck off the fervent Bush haters. Its funny that the damn socialist democrap morons are mostly rich elitist asswads!

Oh and by the way a yankee liberal from Mass would be disastrous to your ability to ride a ATV. Remeber all the riding land lost during Clintons tenure as president. Remember the stupid birds and field rats that got saved with all the public lands being kept from the public! He and others like him are enviro whackos! He is anti personal choice and freedom, more than Bush. He and his ilk like to sermonize that they know what is best for you and me and our families, sorry democrat weenies but I am an individual and don't like "groupthink". I don't like having my choices restricted, and kerry will appoint other dikheads to the EPA that will want to Ban SUVs and V-8 pickups and forget about any 2stroke engines. The crap like universal health care will be horrible with having to wait in line for your medical care for weeks at a time. So you morons that want to vote against Bush, and think you'll be better with Kerry are a joke.
Vote libertarian and things will improve, and republican and things will stay good but essentially the same, and a vote for Kerry or Nader will kill business and "JOBS" here in the USA. I am a union member and I know that democrats are bad on the economy and on national security!

Keep that in mind Stern Morons. I wouldn't vote for anyone endorsed by Whoopi Goldberg or any of the other million Hollywood dummies! They have no idea what it is like to live in the "real" america!
:grr:

MOFO

07-12-2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by markdb420

I am a union member and I know that democrats are bad on the economy and on national security!

I can say this coming from a family of union workers... I could only wish that they had the same view as you...actually, my father has changed sides after the 2000 election...its funny what a little bit of reading will do to ya....and not just listening to the media and union leaders.

bradley300

07-12-2004, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by 400exdad
I thought his only plan was to get strippers and porn stars to sit on his lap during his 9-5'er. :blah:

sounds like a hell of a plan to me!

one thing i like about howard is he isnt one of these strictly one way or the other guys, he has things he likes about what the republicans do as well as the democrats and also expresses his own independent idea and views.

we need a president with the same character, screw doing what you do for the sheer fact that that is within your party's guidlines, someone needs to stand up for thier own views and not let a party affiliation determine thier beleifs

spincr4hire

07-13-2004, 07:01 AM

Stern for Prez!:cool:

lukester720

07-13-2004, 10:10 AM

That Michael Moore is a real piece of work, to anyone that thinks that they got a ton of insight from that movie you might want to check into what you though you learned because theres a good chance that its crap and people will thing your stupid for spouting it off.

I'm sure theres not a ton of info on the lies in that movie yet but in the meantime do a search for info on the movie "bowling for columbine" and you will be able to see just how big of a piece of crap Michael Moore is.

I'm sure that there probably a few good facts brought up in this movie, but my guess is that they will be far outweighed by the BS. Yes, you would actually get more fact out of Stearn than you ever will out of Moore.

It is my OPINION that if Kerry gets into office the people that ride ATV's , shoot firearms, and are scared of terrorism in our country will be most effected. Not only that it will most likely take him a year and-a half to 2 yrs to figure out what what is going on and to start making any kind of positive change, I think Bush needs to stay in and finish what he started.:macho

mmills023

07-13-2004, 11:56 PM

Anyone who has ever served a day in the military (field operator, not rear echilon), knows the real truth concerning the state of affairs of our great nation. For those who oppose the military....as Deisel said...just kneel and pray and say thanks that you are safe in you home, as you would have NO idea what it takes to be a soldier, futhermore you have no idea what it takes to keep a country as great as America protected on a daily basis.

Terrisom is not about who is in charge, or what thier opinions are. It is about RELIGON!!!....and thier belief system. As far as leaving us alone if we elect the "right" president! HA HA HA....i really hope you are kidding!!!

Howard Stern is a baby...that loves T&A, i cant disagree with that...but really...come on...I love Ted Nugent but i am not sure i would completly trust his opinions on poltics either!!!

The problem with the media today is that it is almost all owned by the SAME PEOPLE....CLEAR CHANNEL...really do a little digging of your own...so what station or newspaper do you turn to for the "other" side of the story?? NONE becasue they are ALL the same story...Howard Stern and those like him thrive off ratings...getting a stir amoung people...ratings is the measurement of job success for these people...and ratings are how they are PAID....seems like if i were him...i would pick the most heated subjects to explore to gaurentee listiners!!!

Michael Moore is a **shole...."Rodger and Me"...talked about the General Motors screw ups....please..i lived in Michigan my whole life...the big 3 (GM, Ford, Chrysler) have made SOOOOOOOO many people rich...and provided SOOOO many jobs and retirements for people it is hard to measure thier faliure by 2 plant closings (it was sad that they had to go....but they did HAVE to go). "Bowling for Columbine"....sad story..exploited by Michael Moore..again..pick out the things he believes in...make the entire story about that...and not show the oposing views....great job Mike!!!

Those ads i see everywhere now "Get out and Vote"...."Vote for somthing just Vote"..great!!...just what we need a bunch of 18 year old uneducated Howard Stern fans...getting to vote for who thier "idol" told them to vote for!!!...

My advice...be involved..ask questions..look beyond what you see on TV, or read on the internet...you can not count on being presented both sides fairly...you have to educate youself as much as you can, weed through the BS, and then make your decisions.

America is the best place on the planet...and like anything else that is the best..there will always be someone trying to take it down!!!!.......be proactive...dont complain...dont judge others...get involved..run for local office...Defend our nation...seek employment in the polictal arena...then you may be able to fully understand how things work!!!!!!!

my 2 cents!!!!

Greg Z

07-14-2004, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by mmills023
Anyone who has ever served a day in the military (field operator, not rear echilon), knows the real truth concerning the state of affairs of our great nation. For those who oppose the military....as Deisel said...just kneel and pray and say thanks that you are safe in you home, as you would have NO idea what it takes to be a soldier, futhermore you have no idea what it takes to keep a country as great as America protected on a daily basis.

Terrisom is not about who is in charge, or what thier opinions are. It is about RELIGON!!!....and thier belief system. As far as leaving us alone if we elect the "right" president! HA HA HA....i really hope you are kidding!!!

Howard Stern is a baby...that loves T&A, i cant disagree with that...but really...come on...I love Ted Nugent but i am not sure i would completly trust his opinions on poltics either!!!

The problem with the media today is that it is almost all owned by the SAME PEOPLE....CLEAR CHANNEL...really do a little digging of your own...so what station or newspaper do you turn to for the "other" side of the story?? NONE becasue they are ALL the same story...Howard Stern and those like him thrive off ratings...getting a stir amoung people...ratings is the measurement of job success for these people...and ratings are how they are PAID....seems like if i were him...i would pick the most heated subjects to explore to gaurentee listiners!!!

Michael Moore is a **shole...."Rodger and Me"...talked about the General Motors screw ups....please..i lived in Michigan my whole life...the big 3 (GM, Ford, Chrysler) have made SOOOOOOOO many people rich...and provided SOOOO many jobs and retirements for people it is hard to measure thier faliure by 2 plant closings (it was sad that they had to go....but they did HAVE to go). "Bowling for Columbine"....sad story..exploited by Michael Moore..again..pick out the things he believes in...make the entire story about that...and not show the oposing views....great job Mike!!!

Those ads i see everywhere now "Get out and Vote"...."Vote for somthing just Vote"..great!!...just what we need a bunch of 18 year old uneducated Howard Stern fans...getting to vote for who thier "idol" told them to vote for!!!...

My advice...be involved..ask questions..look beyond what you see on TV, or read on the internet...you can not count on being presented both sides fairly...you have to educate youself as much as you can, weed through the BS, and then make your decisions.

America is the best place on the planet...and like anything else that is the best..there will always be someone trying to take it down!!!!.......be proactive...dont complain...dont judge others...get involved..run for local office...Defend our nation...seek employment in the polictal arena...then you may be able to fully understand how things work!!!!!!!

my 2 cents!!!!

very well said.. im only 16 and I get very politcal about stuff.. and not stuff from what mommie or daddie say I do my own research i actually watch the speaches and all that stuff... Please dont think that im just one of thoughs kids that would say " we should just nuke the middle east and get it over with" no... im not like that.. anyways

my grandmah who hardly speaks english shes from greece. she votes for democrats.. She doesnt know anything.. Shes gonna vote for kerry just because hes a democrat!!! She doesnt listin to the speaches cant read english. I got in a argument about Kerry and I got her to be quiet. She was telling me how americans are dieing in Iraq.. All I had to say is "What the hell do you think war is?" and she stopped talking. People.... War is war people will die.. people should not complain about people dieing.. They died for a good cause serving our country. And I would serve and die for my country

EDIT ::: I love Howard Stern!!! But his POLITCAL **** I do not listen to and It does not take effect on my OPINION.... but some DITZ'S will.. I wish I could vote.....

-Greg

Punk'd

07-14-2004, 12:49 AM

WTF that a**hole will not take my quad or my quad land away from me! Ill kick him in his head!!!!:mad: :grr: :mad:

VOTE BUSH!!!!!!!!

Plus Bush isnt a bad pres.. Everyone just thinks so because of the fact were over in Iraq trying to make this world a better place.. People need to suck it up and think about how the future will be if this works out the way its planned to.. And stop B****in about how people are dieing! Now dont get me wrong but war is war and this stuff is going to happen..

diesel-mech

07-14-2004, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Greg Z
very well said.. im only 16 and I get very politcal about stuff.. and not stuff from what mommie or daddie say I do my own research i actually watch the speaches and all that stuff... Please dont think that im just one of thoughs kids that would say " we should just nuke the middle east and get it over with" no... im not like that.. anyways

my grandmah who hardly speaks english shes from greece. she votes for democrats.. She doesnt know anything.. Shes gonna vote for kerry just because hes a democrat!!! She doesnt listin to the speaches cant read english. I got in a argument about Kerry and I got her to be quiet. She was telling me how americans are dieing in Iraq.. All I had to say is "What the hell do you think war is?" and she stopped talking. People.... War is war people will die.. people should not complain about people dieing.. They died for a good cause serving our country. And I would serve and die for my country

EDIT ::: I love Howard Stern!!! But his POLITCAL **** I do not listen to and It does not take effect on my OPINION.... but some DITZ'S will.. I wish I could vote.....-Greg

You may be well minded politically but you have to remember that the americans dying in Iraq are sons and daughter, Friends, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers! Yes they are willing to die for their country, for liberty, for our flag and our anthem but they want to live! They don't want to die! Every single life is totally irreplacable. Please don't take lightly to this. I would take the place of any fallen mother or father, son or daughter. so they could live the life they lost for me. I am not so important that they should die so I can live. I am out of the Marines but I still have a marines heart. To a marine, your life is more valuable than his own. Think about that for a second. How does that make you feel? To me, I hold anyone with that attitude in the highest reguard. With so much corruption in life and so much crime, hurt, deceet. Someone I have never met and probably never will is willing to give their life so my life doesn't change. I pray that every single person servicing comes home safe and well because I am not more important than anyone of them. I wonder what I can do to repay those fallen in battle. My answer is to be the best person I can be, live happily, honestly, and give to those less fortunate than myself in hopes that my life might be worth the cost of theirs.

I don't mean to preach. I'm not into politics but it seems to me that If poeple voted for the common good (who ever that may be) we could all benifit.

What really offends me is when poeple who have never served in the military try to degrade any war? What gives you the right? The consitution??? When you join the military you sign away all your constitutional rights. I didn't have a clue what the constitution was really about until I gave it up. I have to say to those against our actions over seas. What would you do if you lost your rights? You can't answer that question honestly until its happened to you. So think about this. While you protest our actions because you think we are immoral, remember by protesting you are taking full advantage of our immorality.

Quad18star

10-05-2004, 09:26 PM

Well i finally got to see the movie tonight ..... despite what 3/4s of the people in this post have said , this documentry seems pretty good to me . Most of the points he made were in my opinion great facts , and will open the eyes of many people that watch this movie .

MOFO

10-06-2004, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by Quad18star
Well i finally got to see the movie tonight ..... despite what 3/4s of the people in this post have said , this documentry seems pretty good to me . Most of the points he made were in my opinion great facts , and will open the eyes of many people that watch this movie .

I suggest you do a little more reading then....

the movie was NOT based on facts and has been proven by many people showing this.

Anyone that watches this movie and thinks this is how our country was run is WRONG.

If you dont believe me, maybe you should watch the counter movie made by Dick Morris.

http://www.fahrenhype911.com/

Taco

10-06-2004, 06:13 AM

and what makes that movie right Mofo???

MOFO

10-07-2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Taco
and what makes that movie right Mofo???

Well, its based on FACTS...actually it debunks most of the major claims in F911 with facts.

dont believe it... check this link out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts

Tom TRX250R

10-07-2004, 08:16 PM

Michael Moore is a fat piece of crap who doesn't know ****!!!!

Anyone who would vote for spineless Kerry should be prepared for plenty of terrorist attacks because I know if he is in office it will make the problem 10 times worse. It will show the world that we don't have the balls to stand up with our President against terrorism. I personally feel we our doing a great job against terror. Some dumb ****s think it is a week process to filter through all the muslims terrorist *******s. It takes time and I think we have the right man in office to take care of it and show the pieces of **** that we will not back down and we will chase their asses across the world to end terrorism.

I, for that reason and many others, will be voting Bush for President again!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

balla250ex

10-08-2004, 01:00 PM

Ok, I think you all are missing the point.

So what if it's gun toting rednecks that support bush? If Kerry is voted into office he is going to take yalls guns... you dont understand. Example... It's 3:00 in the morning and your door is kicked in and somebody is robbing you and trying to harm your family. But oh nooo... you voted for kerry and now it's illegal to have firearms. Dammmnnn. You just got JACKED. After the police leave you turn on the TV b/c you can't sleep and guess what - another terrorist has attacked the U.S. But Kerry reassures all the american citizens that everything will be okay and he is going to "solve" things through talk.

Now, if Bush remains prsident,i f somebody kicks in your door and tries to rob you, you grab the 12 gauge out of the closet and knock the dust off of the thief. And you turn on the TV and you see "War on Terror" on the bottom of the screen on CNN and you see president Bush delivering a speech b/c we have just captured Osama Bin Laden.

Which way would you like it?

Sometimes you have to use brute force to get your point across. And Bush's point is that he is SERIOUS about stopping Terrorism. It's like a bully at school... You can tell him over and over to stop, but he does'nt listen. But when you hit him in the nose, it'll stop right there and then.

So what? Kerry served in 'Nam - Not only did he fight for our country but he also raped the women over there too. You see these images of Kerry holding up the peace sign and protesting war. He's just a tree hugging hippy. Just because there is a man out there with money that can make a movie about Bush does'nt mean Kerry is the better president. Imagine if there was one about Kerry and not Bush. Would your opinion remain? Most likely not. I think it is sad, embarassing, and down right pathetic when one man can produce a movie and change the mind of millions of people. Are the U.S. citizens running the country? Or is Michael Moore and Howard Stern??