Carbon Fiber or Douglas Ultimate? [Archive]

muff

03-26-2002, 05:24 PM

I'm in need of new tires and rims for the front of my 300. I'm going to get 23x7x10 Razrs, but should I get the Hiper Technology carbron fibers rims from Beerock, or get the Douglas Ultimate with beadlock. Which would you recomend?

kabd69667

03-26-2002, 05:40 PM

I'd say if your going to be doing hard riding and are looking for rims that will hold up to punishment then i'd say those carbon fiber things. But in my opinion i think the douglas look better

Adam496

03-26-2002, 05:58 PM

deffinatly go w the carbon fibler rims

NJ300ex

03-26-2002, 06:40 PM

Carbon fiber. Everything about the carbon fibers is better than the douglas ultimates. The hiper rims are the last rims you will ever have to buy!

Foxrage

03-26-2002, 06:47 PM

I would go with douglas the only reason you need the carbon fiber is if you wreck cause the douglas wont bend unless you wreck really bad.

EXtreme-

03-26-2002, 06:52 PM

Just got her all done.....maybe this will help your desision.

NJ300ex

03-26-2002, 06:55 PM

extreme, where did you get the white bros seat cover and graphics? the bike looks really nice.

CBRSLIDER

03-26-2002, 07:22 PM

Get the carbon fibers. That's what I was faced with. But for the price, you can't beat them. You won't find ones cheaper, even the aluminums.

Ray

cdalejef

03-26-2002, 07:46 PM

We just got our first shipment of carbon fiber wheels in today. I have to say that I never felt like I needed beadlocks but after seeing these I snatached up a set and put them on my R. VERY NICE. The only draw back I noticed is that they are 1/2" wider per wheel in the front than my Douglas 4+1's. So now with my +1 a-arms and these new carbon fibers wheels I am a little wider in the front than in the rear. :(
Another thing is I wish they would taper bore the lug holes like Douglas Ultimates so you can use the lug nuts the right way.

EXtreme-

03-26-2002, 07:58 PM

used a local dealer....try this for your area..... http://www.whitebros.com/dealer.html

CBRSLIDER

03-26-2002, 08:02 PM

Jeff,

Did you put a set on the rear? If so what size and offset?

Ray

03-26-2002, 08:06 PM

I'm not going to say that I have not wrecked real bad, cuz I know I had a few crashes........... Ok, more than a few.:blah My Douglas Ultimate Beadlock rims are holding up ok, got some flat spots on both my 10" rear rims.... my 9" rear rims are holding up nice. My 10" front rims seem ok, but when I received my HiPer carbon fiber rims.......... WOW! I really like these bad boys.

I recommend the HiPer rear rims with dual beadlocks if you are going to do some rough terrain and jumps. If the Douglas rims came with reinforcement rings for the inside, I'd think that would be an improvement, but I not sure if they would still be in the same league as those HiPer rims. As for looks, I didn't like the black wheels at first, but I have grown to like them. I still prefer the look of aluminum over the look of black rims, but again, I'm starting to really like these HiPer rims.

As for front rims, I don't really know what the advantage is other than the HiPer rims maybe a little lighter. And again, the HiPer rims are modular, so you can replace parts if need be...... Cool:cool:

Note: I wish the HiPer rims came with the countersunk holes too!! :grr The Douglas Ultimate have countersunk holes:cool:

EXtreme-

03-26-2002, 08:08 PM

Dave400ex

03-26-2002, 08:12 PM

That is a Sweet looking 400EX. I want a Rim/Tire Setup just like that.

beerock

03-26-2002, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Jeff@QuadShop
We just got our first shipment of carbon fiber wheels in today. I have to say that I never felt like I needed beadlocks but after seeing these I snatached up a set and put them on my R. VERY NICE. The only draw back I noticed is that they are 1/2" wider per wheel in the front than my Douglas 4+1's. So now with my +1 a-arms and these new carbon fibers wheels I am a little wider in the front than in the rear. :(
Another thing is I wish they would taper bore the lug holes like Douglas Ultimates so you can use the lug nuts the right way.
which rims did you get jeff?
the 4+1 or the 3+2 sounds like you got the 3+2

I dont think you can taper bore the carbon material.

nacs400ex said this:
I would go with douglas the only reason you need the carbon fiber is if you wreck cause the douglas wont bend unless you wreck really bad.

That is so not true, they help the suspension work more efficiently too and they flex more than an aluminum rim.

cdalejef

03-26-2002, 08:14 PM

CBRSLIDER, I only put the fronts on. We didn't get any Honda rears in this shipment only yamaha.

03-26-2002, 08:16 PM

Hey Steve (EXtreme), glad to see you got it all together, sure looks good!!!!! I guess you are ready for your April 6 poker run. Good luck!:)

cdalejef

03-26-2002, 08:20 PM

beerock, I did get the 4+1's. I called HiPer just to check and they said that their 4+1 rims are indeed 1/2" wider in the front per wheel than the Douglas 4+1's.
The lug holes are in the alum. part of the wheel.

cdalejef

03-26-2002, 08:24 PM

NJ300ex, you can get that graphics kit and seat cover from any White Brothers dealer. They have red and yellow.

Foxrage

03-27-2002, 03:56 AM

Does anyone know when the 8x8 are going to be avalible? How much are they going to be? Or any information im getting some when i need to replace tires im going to get new rear beadlocks too.

spincr4hire

03-27-2002, 05:29 AM

EXtreme, really like the blue accents...sets the quad off. Its nice to see something besides red, yellow, or black on a red quad.

beerock

03-27-2002, 11:30 AM

the 8x8's should be out by april 10th (crosses fingers)

Dave400ex

03-27-2002, 03:35 PM

Don`t the 8x8 Rims have Built in Hubs? How much are they going to Cost?

Foxrage

03-27-2002, 07:56 PM

Beerock how much will they cost with the discount you get?? I think i will get the 8x8 so i can have a quick change.

chris29

03-27-2002, 09:29 PM

the new Douglas Ultimate wheels are looking preety sweet!:D

03-27-2002, 09:56 PM

yeah chris29..those wheels look badass.. i wanted the carbon wheels but i'll end up with douglas..i want some dubs for my 400ex

Dave400ex

03-28-2002, 05:08 PM

Those Douglas Rims are Sweet. I think those look Awesome. I would rather have Carbon Fibers though. That KTM 520 is also very Nice.

Adam496

03-28-2002, 05:36 PM

i still say the hiper rims are best. chris29 ur qaud is sweet

Dave400ex

03-28-2002, 06:20 PM

Yeah I would say Hiper is the Best. If you ever do anything to a Hiper Rim they will Replace that Part for $30. No other Company can Beat that.

papaw

03-28-2002, 06:54 PM

amen warrior man i've already had to use the replacement program from hiper.....sweeet.....

Dave400ex

03-28-2002, 08:12 PM

Papaw, How well is Hiper about Replaceing the Broken Parts? Which Part did you Break? Where did you get your Rims?

Foxrage

03-29-2002, 07:25 AM

They are more prown to braking then the douglas but its cheaper to fix.

Dave400ex

03-29-2002, 10:30 AM

I have heard about the Carbon Rims Breaking, but when your Douglas Rims Bend, you have to Buy New ones. With the Hiper Rims you just Replace some Parts.

mrusk

03-29-2002, 10:37 AM

Yea but how many people have u heard of that bent or broke there Ultimate Douglas billet beadlocks or the rolled edge fronts? And i am not talking about hitting a tree or something, but jumping. I never even heard of someone breaking a champion beadlock.

Some of the parts i buy for my R i buy with safty in mind. I wouldnt want to be landing a big jump and have my carbon fiber rims break and risk injurying myself, even if the rims are repariable. Hope you get what i am saying.

matt

Dave400ex

03-29-2002, 10:47 AM

Mrusk, I really haven`t heard much about Bending or Breaking Rims in MX. In the XC Racing I want to do, it will be more of a Problem. I would rather have a Rim I could Repair then have to Buy a whole New Rim.

I don`t think you have to worry about Breaking a Carbon Fiber Rim in MX Racing. If they Broke all the Time, Travis Spader would not be Running them. It`s just like some other Parts, one Guy has bad luck with something and tells everybody they are not Good. I would say the Hiper Rims are the Best you can Buy. I do get what your Saying though.

mrusk

03-29-2002, 10:54 AM

The hipers proably are the best on the market right now and the trickest looking, i guess the point i was trying to make in my last point is that the majority of people are just wasting there money on them because they dont need it. But what people do with there money is none of my business.

matt

Dave400ex

03-29-2002, 11:06 AM

Yeah I think a lot of Guys just want the Best, but I don`t think there is a Single Guy on here that could say he doesn`t want the Best. The Hiper Rims are Sweet.

400MXer

03-30-2002, 11:50 AM

Have you seen the Douglas billet ultimate beadlocks on the ktm quad in dirtwheels and atv sport...they are sweet looking....i've seen the front rims with a design like that but this is the first time i've seen the rears like that.

Foxrage

03-30-2002, 05:45 PM

400mxer
Did you look about 10 posts before yours there is a pic of the one one you are talking about. I like those rims more than the carbon fiber but they are more.

James70214

03-30-2002, 05:53 PM

A guy I know rode with spader in Florida while he was testing the carbon fiber rims and he broke at least 3 sets. It's funny cause Hiyper says he never broke any.FALSE ADVERTISING

Dave400ex

03-30-2002, 06:58 PM

Those Rims on the KTM are really Cool. So is that Girl. LOL. The Douglas Rims are really Sweet. I just Wish the Rear Rims had a Ring or something inside for more Strength.

Spader broke some Rims? That is Good to Know. I am starting to hear Bad things about the Carbon Fiber Rims. I still like the Part of them having Replaceable Parts. Which Rims would you Guys get?

Foxrage

03-30-2002, 07:16 PM

Ya they just came out after like the break 10 times in one year you could of bout a new set of douglas that wont break atleast for a yaer.

Dave400ex

03-30-2002, 07:18 PM

Sure the Douglas won`t Break for a Year, but if the Douglas do Break you are Stuck Paying for a whole New Rim.

MOOCAZEN

04-02-2002, 08:56 AM

you have any idea of how much those new douglas rims cost? ill put it to you this way, i went to Duncan racing and they had Eichners mx banshee, they told me close to a grand, without the tires, maybe that will help some people out when buying

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 09:23 AM

Really? I would never Pay anywhere close to that for those Rims. I think I will be getting the Carbon Fibers.

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 10:44 AM

some dealer told me around 200 each.

400MXer

04-02-2002, 10:47 AM

NACS400EX - i must not have been paying attention....i didn't even see that pic. I love those rims though.

MOOCAZEN

04-02-2002, 10:51 AM

worng bro they are like 220 or something like that

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 10:53 AM

$220 for a Rim? Man, what if you Bent one of those? Now that would be a Killer.

04-02-2002, 11:02 AM

It's funny how all of you say the carbon fiber rims are the best even though you don't own them or ever had. this is the problem. People say stuff they don't even own or had expriance with is the best. If you don't own it or have own it don't put in a any words saying how good it is. The carbon wheels are a fade that will die with time. carbon will shater after a while and those douglas rimes will probably out last them. You pay for what you get. I personaly wouldn't brag on carbon rims. Just like the 01 Raptor there new and untested. Until i own a set and they do actually last i will not be trusting of them. And since i'd purchase the time tested douglas rims over these new carbon rims i will never buy a set.

MOOCAZEN

04-02-2002, 11:06 AM

lrd trx416, i have them have had them for a while and i've abused them in every kind of terrain you can think of, especially in rocky areas, i had one side hit from a banshee at full speed, rammed into my rim, dent his, nothing happened to mine, i am mx now and they have stood the abuse, dont generalize, and like you said, you dont have them so dont say nothing

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 11:08 AM

I have champion beadlocks and i think they are as good as any other rims.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 11:09 AM

LRD has a Point. We are just giving our Thoughts.

What do you Guys think of the Race Rims?

trx400ex

04-02-2002, 11:46 AM

lrd is about 100% right IMO, i just bought a set of beadlocks, i was going to get the carbon fibers, but i dont trust them, so i got the tried and true ..douglas

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 11:47 AM

Did you get the Conventional Center or the Billet Center?

04-02-2002, 11:50 AM

I do like the looks of the hipers and the new technology,,but I'll always use douglas rims.. :blah

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 11:53 AM

Rico, How have your Race Rims held up. They are a Bit Cheaper.

04-02-2002, 12:00 PM

Well I've got them dirty.......hmmmmmmmmmmm...that's about it,,no dents, dings, flat spots, ect. there working perfect,,but I'm thinkin off gettin some for the fronts too,,cuz I've got a few flat spots from landing jumps on big rocks at some of the crappy tracks I go too..I've yet to bust the bead on the rears too,,and I hammer it in corners.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 12:04 PM

How do you think they would Work for XC Racing/Riding?

04-02-2002, 12:16 PM

Gabe uses them.....that should tell ya sumtin,,,I think they would work awesome for XC.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 12:18 PM

Gabe uses Those? Well Heck they must be Good. I might have to get those. How much were Yours?

04-02-2002, 12:34 PM

The rears are about $100 each.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 12:39 PM

That`s not Bad. Are the Fronts the Same? Where did you get Yours?

04-02-2002, 12:43 PM

The fronts are a little more expensive,,,I got mine at magic racing.
For the front and back rims and holeshot MX tires it cost me around $500 total.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 12:55 PM

I will have to Check out Dirtwheels and see who Sells them the Cheapest.

Scott

04-02-2002, 01:04 PM

I don't have any experience with the Douglas rims, so I can't comment on them. But the Hiper rims and Champion beadocks I do have some experience with. I run champion beadlocks with inner rings, and 2 quads I ride with have the HiPer rims. All three are pretty darn tough to tear up. I did see a carbon ring break when my cousin hit a steel casing vent in 4th gear (it still held air by the way). And HiPer replaced it free, via air mail, so he would have the parts before the next race. Only reason I don't have them is the price, about $750 for a set of 4. That's more than I will pay.

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 05:36 PM

If your racing XC i would get beadlocks because the will keep them on the rims better i was at a race where bill balance got a flat and instead of droping back he stayed where he was all race with a flat tire. he still finished second but he was there the whole race i guess he couldnt keep up with the old KX250.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 05:40 PM

I don`t know what to do. I wanted Carbon Fiber Rims, but I am not hearing good things about them. So I asked about the Race Rims, and now Guys are saying Beadlocks. I really want Beadlocks, but for Local XC Racing do I need them?

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 05:55 PM

No not really race wheels should be good.

mrusk

04-02-2002, 06:02 PM

I'd go for a pair of champion beadlocks. I belive they are 130.

matt

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 06:05 PM

Well that`s what I thought, but the Rear Race Wheels are $115 and the Douglas Conventional Center Beadlocks are $130. I have heard that the Inside of the Douglas will get Flat Spots because there is no Ring or anything. I don`t want that. My Neighbor got Race Rims on his Polaris so I will have to see how they Work for him.

mrusk

04-02-2002, 06:21 PM

The champion beadlocks have the inner ring for 130. I got them. Buy them.

matt

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 06:24 PM

Do they come in a 9 Inch Rear? Does Champion make Front Beadlocks?

mrusk

04-02-2002, 06:36 PM

I am not sure if they make 9in. But if they do i'd get them in the rear, and use your stock fronts. The stock fronts will last you along time!

matt

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 06:37 PM

They do come in 9" and you can get fronts!

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 06:38 PM

I`m not sure what to Do. I am getting Shocks First. If I can Find a Job and have enough Money for any Rims I don`t know which ones I would Buy.

If you Guys could Buy any Rims you wanted, which ones would you get and why?

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 06:41 PM

Carbon fiber!:macho

mrusk

04-02-2002, 06:42 PM

I'd get the 9in champion beadlocks in the rear and keep the stock front rims!!!! There is no need to buy new fronts unless your are toast!

matt

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 06:44 PM

Jeff, I haven`t been Hearing to much Good Stuff about Carbon Fiber. I don`t know.

Mrusk, I thought about just Running all the Stock Rims until they are Trash. It`s all going to Depend on how much Money I have.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 06:53 PM

I haven't heard anything bad since the updated style came out. A couple things I didn't like about my alum. beadlocks were: They end up getting warped (after a couple seasons of pro XC), and they hold rocks and mud in the wheel, you can't replace the parts for $30ea.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 06:59 PM

I don`t know what to do. I will have to Wait and see how much Money I have.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 07:03 PM

Actually, your stock rims should last along time!

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 07:06 PM

Really? I could just put some Razrs on the Stock Rims? How does that Sound?

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 07:08 PM

The champion will work i havent heard of any problems with them. Het the rear beadlocks and front race wheels. you will get no flat spots and yout rear tires will stay on around corners better.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 07:09 PM

Any of the current 6ply tires will protect your rims very well.

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 07:10 PM

Ya I think your stock will last untill you can get the money and your new shocks you get will take some of the beating from the stock rims so they will last longer.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 07:13 PM

Well the Stock Rims sound like a Good Idea. The Tires should only be around $200. Jeff is going to get me a Deal on the Elka`s too.

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 07:17 PM

Hey jeff what about me????

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 07:23 PM

He doesn`t like You. J/K. No deals for You. LOL.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 07:33 PM

I'll do what I can!:square

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 07:40 PM

Thanks your a great guy!!:)

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 07:50 PM

:devil SHHHH!:devil

Foxrage

04-02-2002, 07:55 PM

O ok sorry i didnt know you wanted a bad reputation. My mama always told me to keep a good reputation.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 08:37 PM

Well Jeff how about you get me Fronts for $700? That would be Good Deal. LOL.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 08:55 PM

Are you talking about wheels or shocks? You lost me!:confused:

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 09:01 PM

Well I was thinking the Shocks.

cdalejef

04-02-2002, 09:07 PM

Thats what I thought. Call me when your ready to buy some, I will work with you.

Dave400ex

04-02-2002, 09:12 PM

OK. Don`t Worry. I hope we go to Big Rock or whatever it is this Summer and you bring those Test Quads.

Foxrage

04-03-2002, 04:34 AM

It there a special shock setup for the walsh beacuse they look so weird but they are really good said doug gust. I know these things better be good for 1000 bucks for stock travel a-arms.

Dave400ex

04-03-2002, 08:30 AM

They must be Good. There is something about them. I would get PEP Shocks with Walsh Stuff.

mrusk

04-03-2002, 09:21 AM

The 16in walsh mx aarms do not look werid. I know, my friend has them on his 250r. Its the 19in aarms some people think looks werid, i think it looks cool.

If i was getting the best aarms, i would get the best shocks: axis or pep.

matt

Dave400ex

04-03-2002, 09:29 AM

Mrusk, Which A-Arms are on that CRF450 on East Coast ATV? Those Arms look Nice?

mrusk

04-03-2002, 09:54 AM

They are the Long travel 19in mx aarms.

matt

Dave400ex

04-03-2002, 10:01 AM

Those are Nice. I would like to have that Setup.

MEL

04-03-2002, 11:24 AM

jeff, do you have a price on champion rear beadlocks, 9x9 with 4x5 backspacing.

Dave400ex

04-03-2002, 01:01 PM

Go to the Quadshop.com. I`m not sure if he has Prices on there or not.

Foxrage

04-03-2002, 02:39 PM

Are you sure those are long travel on that CRF. I probly wont order this stuff untill july or so. If the wait isnt long when i order my walsh i will order pep if they have a long wait ill get elka. I will also get long travel.