Best Shocks

[honda400exrider]

i am 120lbs and have a 400ex. i wanted to purchase new shocks and was wondering what kind i should get and for what weight setup. i ride dunes, trails, play draggin, and your typical screw around riding. which shocks and setup should i get. thanx:cool:

[Dave400ex]

I would go with the Elka Triple Rate SSD Comp. Adjust Fronts and Elka SSD Rear Conversion. That`s the Setup I will be getting.

[RollAxis400ex]

the best shocks are Custom Axis triple rate fully adj

here i a pic of them on my 2 quads

[Juggalo]

wow you are one lucky guy. i would kill to have quads like that but i'm poor. those must be the long travel versions, am i right?

[RollAxis400ex]

yea there lon travel LOBO front end with roll design +3 a-arms

[Chef]

i just saw on C & D Racings site that elka is going to start making quadruple rate shocks...:eek:

[honda400exrider]

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!++++++++++! those are BOTH yours! wow you must be the son of Bill Gates and i correct? LOL! anyway those are defintely PPPHHHAAt! but are probaly out of my price range. anyway nice bikes, and pic.:

[Dave400ex]

Yeah Axis are the Best you can get. I also saw Elka is going to make Quadruple Rates. I also heard Elka might be joining up with Roll Design. Those are Nice Quads though.

[cdalejef]

The Elka quad rates are out now. I raced with them today for the second time. Nice and plush but resist bottoming.

for alot of us on here we cant really appreciate such high quality shocks as elkas or custom axis whether we like to hear it or not, I think ud be just as happy with a set of works shocks set up for you

[RollAxis400ex]

does anyone no where i can get a pic of the quad rate shocks

[QuadRacer041]

rollaxis,
isn't dist 6 englishtown? i didnt think they raced quads there.do they?what other tracks are in dist 6 and do they race quads too?
what part of nj are you in?

[Dave400ex]

Yeah, where can we Check out the Quad Rates?

[400exRacerX]

I believe district 6 is PA and district 2 is NJ. I've rode on one district 6 track before call sleepy hollow up in PA, they got some decent tracks.

[NJ300ex]

The elka quad rates will now be a true triple rate with ZPS. The pep ZPS shocks are a true triple rate which means they have three different springs along with a fourth ZPS spring.

Once Elka gets some more pro riders using there shocks they will probably be the best shock maker there is.

[Dave400ex]

What are the Prices for these Quad Rates?

I agree. I think Elka will be the Best once more Guys start running them.

[cdalejef]

I have a set of the quad rates here at the shop. If Marty brings his digi cam in today I'll post some pics.

NJ300EX

The first spring (the big spring) is a progressive rate spring just like a dual rate spring. Then their is another spring on top of that one which makes tripple rate. The SSD which is actually if you count is the third spring but it is already a triple rate shock before SSD.

[Honda Guy]

are quad rates 4 springs? Do you really need that I just want suspension that wont bottom. If elka team up with ROLL I hope they dont jack up the prices.

[cdalejef]

They are 4 actual springs.

[NJ300ex]

Thanks roostin for clearing that up for me. Sorry if i misinformed anyone.

Originally posted by honda400exrider
i am 120lbs and have a 400ex. i wanted to purchase new shocks and was wondering what kind i should get and for what weight setup. i ride dunes, trails, play draggin, and your typical screw around riding. which shocks and setup should i get. thanx:cool:

Works triple rates will work just fine for you ,,but if you got a ton of money to spend get a set of the best. The works will work for you just fine though.

[Dave400ex]

Jeff, If you could Post some Pictures of the Shocks and your Quad that would be Cool. So there is Four Real Springs? Are these only Long Travel? Where can I find some Spec`s on these? They sound Sweet. Is Elka joining with Roll?

If you only way 120 Pounds the Works would be Ok. I would still Check out the Elka`s though.

[cdalejef]

Marty forgot to bring in his camera so we will gave to weight till tomorrow for pics. Yep, 4 real springs! For now they will only be on long travel. I can't say on the Roll Design deal!

[NacsRacing400]

How much more will the quad rates be over the long travel triple rate because i am about to get a houser long travel front end and am going to use elka's. also how long would it take for u to do the ssd rear shock rebuild and get it back to me?

[Honda Guy]

Do you really need long travel shocks? Has anyone here ever bottomed regular elka ssd's with the rear converted and how high do you think you can jump and land with no landing with out bottoming? Do the pro mx riders use long travel?

[NacsRacing400]

I am going with the long travel front end because i alread had works pro series front and during races I bottomed them out through woops and larger jumps all the time. I figure i will buy the best elkas i can now so i wont have to sell them in a year because im not happy with them. Its most likely overkill but im not taking any chances. also they look really trick. just my opinion

[cdalejef]

NacsRacing400, the new quad rates are the same price as the long travel triple rates were and the triple rates are going down a little in price.

HondaGuy, most pro racers have gone to long travel. A general rule of thumb is your shocks should bottom out every so often, if it isn't bottoming out say like on the biggest jump on the track then your not using all your suspension travel. I know that sounds dumb but its true. Ask Doug Gust or Bill Ballance if their shocks ever bottom, they will say yes! For XC, big G-outs should bottom your shocks or in MX comming up short on a double or a jump that has a flat landing will bottom out your shocks. You need to be using the full stroke your shocks for them to be effective. I hope that makes since.
Wether or not YOU need long travel is a decison you need to make.

[Honda Guy]

the a arms are alot more and the shocks cost alot more too dont they?

Ballance and the other gncc guys dont use long travel and there ok on the jumps they hit right I have seen them go atleast 40FT.

[cdalejef]

Depends on what you consider alot.

[QuadRacer041]

rollaxis,
what tracks do you race at?

[Dave400ex]

Jeff, Since you can`t tell me anything, I know something is going on. I hope Roll Design doesn`t Charge anymore then they do now. Those Quad Rates sound Sweet though. That was Great Info you told HondaGuy.

NacsRacing400, Just Save and do it Right this Time. What do you Ride? I think the Houser Long Travel and Elka`s look Sweet too. You should be very Happy with the Shocks.

HondaGuy, The A-Arms and Shocks do Cost more, but they are well Worth it. Bill Ballance uses a Lobo Front End which I think is Long Travel. His Shocks will Bottom on the Biggest Jump on the Track. You want the Shocks to do that. Jeff knows what he is talking about.

[cdalejef]

Bill Ballance is (or should I say was) running full Lobo chassis with long travel setup untill his quads were stolen in Florida.

[Dave400ex]

I still can`t believe some Low Lifes Stole his Quads. What is he Riding Now?

[cdalejef]

He is riding a Jimmy Lewis built Leager untill he gets his new Lobo's. Hey everyone from Florida, watch out for these bikes or parts. Bill has a $5000 reward for information leading to these bikes.

[Dave400ex]

A Laeger. Smart Guy. LOL. I wish I could get my Quad Stolen and then get a Laeger 250R. I wish I could Find his Quads too. What I could do with $5000.

[trx400ex]

yeah, but the real thiefs, not honest people, would laugh at the 5k when there friends have 60k worth of stolen quads to split with them in there garage...see what im sayin

[Dave400ex]

I get what your Saying. We are going to be a lot more Careful with our Quads now. I hope we can get that 32` Pace Shadow GT Enclosed Trailer one of these Days.

[cdalejef]

I'll bet they will be parted out.
I would rather have the Lobo!

[Dave400ex]

Well Guys, If my Friend told me it was Bill Ballance`s Lobo Front End, I would rather have the $5000. Everytime I saw a Picture of Bill I would go Nuts if I didn`t do the right thing. Am I the only one that can say this?

[Honda Guy]

Warrior man I would do the same thing bill's a really nice guy I met him at the Okeechobee race(the race before it was stolen) I wouldent be worried about the $5000 I would just want to see him get his quad back

[trx400ex]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
Well Guys, If my Friend told me it was Bill Ballance`s Lobo Front End, I would rather have the $5000. Everytime I saw a Picture of Bill I would go Nuts if I didn`t do the right thing. Am I the only one that can say this?

i would do the same, but as far as i know neither of us are low life thiefs:p

[NacsRacing400]

i ride a 400ex. I hope im happy with the elka long travels because there is no way i am waiting atleast 2 months to get pep shock. And i think elkas might even outperform the peps because i rode on my cousins 400 which has pep zps shocks and i think it sat alittle high but he still had to adjust them so ill have to see. Thank for the info.

[Honda Guy]

If you get houser a arms they you have to get +3's dont you thats too wide I think either that or like +1's right.

[cdalejef]

You can get +1, +2, or +3 arms in long travel.

[Dave400ex]

I Hope everybody would give him his Quad back. I want to meet Bill too. He is my Favorite Rider. You Guys should be Happy with the Elka/Houser Setup.

[Honda Guy]

On the housers site they only show +1's &+3's for long travle and the +3's are the only for 19'' so are you saying you can get +2 long travle in 19"?

[cdalejef]

Yes, the +2 long travels are not something they stock but they will build them for us. You can get the +1's in long travel also.

[NacsRacing400]

If i get the +3 will i be the same width as a pros setup and do you think + 3 is to wide. This is for a mx quad. I dont care about woods riding. Also with only a + 4 axel will my rear wheels still be inline with the fronts or will i have to get a + 6 axel?

[Dave400ex]

This is a Great Thread. It needs to be in the FAQ Forum.

[cdalejef]

+3 is what most of the MX pros are running. I think the axle might me a little narrow with standard offset front wheels. You could get some 4+1 offset front wheels and the width should match the rear.

[400exRacerX]

Originally posted by NacsRacing400
If i get the +3 will i be the same width as a pros setup and do you think + 3 is to wide. This is for a mx quad. I dont care about woods riding. Also with only a + 4 axel will my rear wheels still be inline with the fronts or will i have to get a + 6 axel?

Well if you want a mx quad a +6 axle isnt for you. There is a ama width limit of 50". Most pros that run +3 a arms run offset wheels to push the wheels in to accomodate the 50" requirement.

[NacsRacing400]

ya i have the 4+1 douglas 190's right now so that shouldnt be a problem. Thanks.

[Honda Guy]

So I can buy +2 19" a arms from houser? How much will they cost to be made like that? Also dont pro mx riders use +3's because there frame is more narrow?

[Foxrage]

The +2 shouldnt be any more just 800 but now we get 5% off but you can get 6% off directly from houser.

[Dave400ex]

NacsRacing400, In a Old ATV Action they put +3 Laeger A-Arms on a 400EX and they said it was Overkill. They couldn`t Ride without a Steering Stabilizer. I would just go with +2.

HondaGuy, If you only MX, go with the +2. I think +3 is Overkill. The +2 A-Arms will Cost the same as the Rest. The only Reason the Pro`s are running +3 A-Arms is because of the Narrow Front Frame. In which most of them have a Lobo or T-Pin Front End. Nac`s Racing told my Brother he would not want +3 on his 250r. The Guy said he would be Breaking Ball Joints all the Time. Get +2. Marcum`s Sells Houser. I think you could get the A-Arms cheapest from Terry. Ask Jeff what you can do for you.