TC Racing or FST

[doctor_915]

Well I made up my mind(yes I change it frequently, bout 2 months ago i wanted to get a 416 kit but i decided if I am doing stuff im gonna go all out) and this winter(2003) I want to get a 500 kit. MickeyDunlap aint answering the phones for a few weeks, so I wanted to call TC racing and talk to them about their 500 kit, now much it costs and if that comes with a cam and hard facing the rockers, whats a good cam for lots of Torque?

Ps- still not totally sold, if it is too much I will get the CT 440 kit for around 2400. Thanks for any help.

[doctor_915]

bump

[Dave400ex]

Ask Chadexer, he is getting a TC 505 Kit.

[VegasEx'r]

yeah, Chadexer did some research on this, so ask him. I don't think he has it back yet, though, so he can't tell just how awesome his quad is, but he should have some good insight.

[Dave400ex]

Chad called every Engine Builder there is. He chose TC. He does not have his 505EX back yet. I can`t Wait to hear about it.

[doctor_915]

Hey I just talked to my uncle(he owns a Honda garage) and he told me that the 500 kit is unreliable as all **** and I will be better with a 440 or even a 465. Is it true this 500 his prone to cracking sleeves or whatever it does if so I might have to change my mind once again.

[Dave400ex]

I have never heard anything about Cracking Sleeves. TC and FST told Chad they would be Very Reliable. You might want to go with a 440 or 465 though.

[Dunlap]

One thing I hate about forum's is here say,he said this,I herd that and so on.To set the record straight here are some fact,s about my 500ex motor's.The 500 is more reliable than a 440 for this reason .The piston is lighter than a stock one, the new rod kit is stronger and lighter because I use 19mm top end pin and a smaller bottom end pin and bearing so it slow down the bearing speed.On top that you get alot more power at lower rpm's so you do'nt have to rev the heck out out of it to get it to run.With this much grunt we only have to run 10.5:1 with are biggest cam.Put a second oil cooler on top of that and you have a motor with twice the power with the longevity of a stocker.

[330exracer]

hey mickey is the 390 kit reliable too?

[Dave400ex]

Mickey, I didn`t here say. I said all Good Stuff about the 500 Kits. What all comes in your 500EX Kit? I saw it in ATV Action, but that had the Liquid Cooling thing on it. Does the Compression Ratio effect Reliability? Isn`t the Higher the Compression the more Torque?

Sorry this is off Subject. Mickey, What Shocks have worked the Best for you Guys in XC Racing? Have you used the Elka`s? Thanks.

[ChadEXer]

Well doc looks like Mickey summed it up for you. Like I told you in your PM it was between FST and TC for me. I was thinking Trinity at first but for some reason Im glad I didnt go that route. Mickey's 500 kit is about the same price as TC's 505 kit and honestly Mickey seems a little more sure about reliability than Tom does. Honestly the only reason I didnt send my motor to Mickey was because the wait. My race season is almost in the prime and I wanted it back ASAP. now I have Warriorman telling me his brother had to wait a LOT longer than he was told by TC. That figures. Mickey has proven himself and his motor work a LOT here lately and he is probably getting more motors in his door every day and he is a very busy man. "good things come to those who wait" was always the words from my mother but for some reason my impatience over runs that and has got me into trouble quite a few times and looks like I will never learn:( I dont send my motor to one excellent engine builder because I dont want to wait as long as he says and i send it to another who says the wait wont be near as long but he ends up keeping it a lot longer than first one said. This is how it always works for me. Well doctor_915 Its up to you where your motor goes. Mickey has got his 500's out there running cross country proving themselves every day and most people dont even know Tom makes a 505. I was in the same shoes as you and no matter who you sen it to your gonna think "should I have sent it somewhere else". thats a lot of money to play with!!
Good luck
Chad
Mickey,, i sent you an email about your oil cooler kit
Thanks

[Dave400ex]

That was Good Info Chad. Thanks. Sorry to tell you, but it was Five or Six Months before My Brother got his Motor back from TC.

[doctor_915]

Well guys thanks for all your great info. Yup chad it is alot o money to play with, I think the 500 will destroy just about anything. I cant wait to get all saved up. I wont do it now cuz I wanna be able to ride so I will do it during football season when I never get to ride ne wayz.

[Dave400ex]

Who are you getting the Kit from? You should be able to beat anything you see. After the Motor you will need some New Shocks.

[doctor_915]

My first choice is FST but I havent gotten a hold of them yet so TC is my second choice. I am hophing Mickey can do my engine.

[Dave400ex]

You should be Happy with either Company.

[ChadEXer]

Yes you definately will be happy with either builder. If you want you can email Mickey at mdunlap@bedford.net and he will email you back. If TC takes 5 or 6 months I will be pissed. He told me just the other day 5-6 weeks. Maybe your brother sent it to him when he was really busy or something. What did he tell him the wait was when he first sent it??

[Dave400ex]

Chad, What did Mickey say about the Oil Cooler? I might Call TC this Week. I want to ask about a Good XC Motor Setup. We didn`t even Send the whole Motor to TC. All TC had to do was Port and Polish the Cylinder and Send us some of his Parts with the Cylinder back. I think he first told us 4 Weeks. Well we Sent it in Sept. and got it in March.

[Dunlap]

330EXRACER,

The 390 kit is the same principle - heavy duty rod and lightweight piston. This should work good with what you already have done but I would suggest a bigger cam and to start off with an 86mm piston which makes a 380 then you would still have an overbore to the 390.

WARRIORMAN,

Just to build it to a 500 costs about $780 if you send your crank in to be stroked. This will include a heavy duty rod, piston, rings, pin & clips, sleeve and head gasket. My heavy duty clutch springs for $20 more is a necessity. No one else's springs will hold up to this much torque. Yes, you can go higher on the compression but it hinders the top-end speed. With this big of stroke, you don't have to run any more than 11:1. Right now Chad Duvall is running Elka Suspension on his Pro machine and they are working very well. Unfortunately, Chad has had some bad luck getting past the 1st corner. The last 2 GNCC races, he has gotten stuck together and been down at least 4 minutes and worked his way back up to 7th each time.

[ChadEXer]

Mickey, How much is it for your 390 kit(parts) for a 300EX? I have a friend wanting to do it.

[Dave400ex]

Thank You Mickey. I get the 500 Kit now. I bet that thing Hauls. I want to get some Elka`s for mine. I hope Chad starts doing better. We need them Four Strokes up Front.

[Claas900]

Mickey Hi,you say your 500 kit is reliable.But I know Curtis Sparks has built a few 505's that have cracked the case's.So I was wanting to know what your thought was on that?..Thanks

[Dave400ex]

I remember seeing the Sparks 505 on his Site. I forget why Sparks quit making it. I think it was because it was unreliable and his 465 could keep up with it. I would like to know what Mickey thinks too.

[ChadEXer]

The Sparks 465 beat the Sparks 505 at Four Stroke Wars!! i wonder if I should call TC and tell him to just do the 465???

[Dave400ex]

There wasn`t a Sparks 505 at the Four Stroke Wars. I just think that is Why Sparks quit making the 505, don`t Quote me though. Go with the 505.

[ChadEXer]

There was a Sparks 505 at FSW. You casn read about it on atv connection I think

[Dave400ex]

I don`t remember Reading about a 505. Maybe there was. I just thought Sparks had a Alky 416, Alky 465, and a 690 Raptor.

[ChadEXer]

They had a 505. i remember somebody else even talking about it on here!!

[Dave400ex]

I am going to Read that again.

[Claas900]

I'm sure there was a 505 at the FSW but I thought it wasn't running right?????But I know 1 of the guys with the 505.He was running a 39fcr for about a year with no problems the they but on a 40 or 41 fcr on it then it blew the case's.There were 2 505's running here in Pisom for about a year,and I think they both cracked the case's about the same time?Curtis just told them to put in new case's in it???But they started to work on the 450's there going to put 1 in place of the 505.Curtis tock the 505 off his sight because he wont sell someting that an't reliable so I thin he's going to do some more work on them???..Thanks

[Dave400ex]

Claas900, Do you live by Sparks or something? I think there was a 505 there, but I don`t think it Drag Raced.

[Claas900]

Yeah I live about a hour and a half from there,but the 505 run at Pisom a lot.But I don't know for sure it they ran at the FSW,But I'm pertty sure 1 was there???? .Thanks

[Dave400ex]

That would be Cool to Live close to Sparks. I would be there all the Time.

[Dunlap]

The 390 kit cost $395 but if I build a full out motor you will spend about $2000.The 505 would have to run a 92mm piston with a 6mm stroker.The case and cyl. would have to be bored out to far for the way I build motors.My market is the GNCC type rider that wants to race on the weekends and ride on the weekdays.They want to run pump gas with the reliability of a stocker.Don't get me wrong I can build short fuse motor's too but I don't like to hear the bad mouthing after the problem's start as I think you will see !

[ChadEXer]

Mickey, I know you dont really like to talk about other builders work but Tom also builds a 490, He said there isnt really a lot of difference between the 490 and the 505. Do you think I should just go with the 490??
Thanks

[ChadEXer]

Mickey, Also I believe Tom said he was stroking 7mm. I would like to get another engine builders opinion besides the one actually doing the work. How long do you think the 505 will last???

[Dunlap]

I'am not going to get in to this. sorry

[ChadEXer]

Come on Mickey help me out here. Are you still behind over there? Tom hasnt even started on my motor yet. I got $3000(including shipping and pipe) that i have set back for my motor. I could still have it sent over to you! I respect Tom a lot but he just doesnt seem real sure about his work. I dont want a ticking time bomb. this is a lot of money to put into a quad motor and I want it to last. I am the race weekends ride weekdays person also and want my setup to last. Please help me out here
Chad

[Dave400ex]

Chad I would stick with TC. I don`t think Tom would be to Happy if you Called and Said you wanted to Ship your Motor to FST. I have never heard anything Bad about Tom. When I Call him I will have to Ask about the Reliability of a 505.

[ChadEXer]

Thats what im worried about. Also read my PM. I found out some more news!! Man this sucks. I wish I knew somebody that had a TC 505. It would make him mad if I called and asked for the number to guys that do. He would think i was doubting his work. What should I do Warriorman. Is 505 too big???

[Dave400ex]

Well I got your PM. You are going with the 505. I think it should be Ok. Tom sounded like he would stand behind it.

[ChadEXer]

Im just going to stop worrying. maybe i will get it and it will be the fastest 400 in the country with no problems:D

[Dave400ex]

Chad, I`m sure your 505 will be one of the Fastest 400EX`s in the Country. Let`s hope it is one of the Most Reliable 505`s too. It should be Fine. I mean, it`s a TC.

[ChadEXer]

thats right:D

[Dave400ex]

Tomorrow`s HorsePower for Today`s Engines, Call TC Racing Engines, 1-814-723-3514. The Best.

[ChadEXer]

:D

[kaneman23]

I think you will be fine man... Besides if anything does happen(break, blowup, etc) you will have an excuse to build another motor that is even stronger.

[Dave400ex]

Yeah, I know, more Customers for TC. LOL. I think you will like the 505 a lot. TC said it should have around 60hp. He thinks you are going to be Racing MX though.

[ChadEXer]

MX??? i think hes on drugs:D He has problems remembering!!! I told him drag and possibly TT. What a goof!!

[Dave400ex]

I think he`s Smelt one to many 250rs. LOL. I`m sure he will Remember.