Iraqi Beheading

[seven]

I will probably get a lot of crap for this but I have to speak my mind.

I am tired of seeing on the news how bad they have it becouse they were taken photos of naked. Personally they can shove a cattle prode up there @$$ to get the awnsers they need. We are fighting a war were they have no rules and we are on our best behavior. After what they did to the guy by beheading him I say kill em all!

[devildriver422]

i agree

[RMX500]

there's a point where the rules of engagement need to go.

i say if someone freely acts inhuman they deserve to be treated as cattle. these iraqi and afghan psycho's have basically waved their right to being treated as human beings.

[2001400ex]

Every time I hear about things like this it just makes me hate the mid-east even more. They're already extremely disliked, to be honest with you I'd like to see all of them just disappear.:rolleyes:

[massjunglist]

i absolutely agree with you guys. and if people consider what was done to this select few pows inhumane or cruel then they need to see how other countries treat prisoners. ESPECIALLY Irag.

[RMX500]

for the record..

i'll place my bet right now that sometime in the next 10 years someone on our side will privately fund a huge *** kicking to the middle east unauthorized by the UN or even our military.

you know, Swordfish style.

[Punk'd]

I say get our boys home.. What really are they doing? Do they really think they can rebuild Iraq and expect it to stay that way..Some physco like Saddam is gonna appear from no were and rule n this is gonna be repeated over n over..:rolleyes:

[my03-400ex]

that swordfish style thing would be sweet:) :D :)

[seven]

I agree, Lets get our troops out, Then let them kill them selves off. We could save a perfectly good bullet. Just think, We could send them over a bunch of ford PINTOS full of gas and every Iraqi could be a suicide bomber. Then we go in with bull dozers scrape the roads clean and we are back to paying .98 a gallon for gas.

[wanna_race]

i think we should just blow up iraq afgahnistan after we get all our boys out i think we should get rid of all the stans just blow em up. i mean the iraq goverment is leting the iraq ppl kill and tourture our troops and our troops are getting in truoblw for just being kind of mean to them thats not right

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Punk'd
I say get our boys home.. What really are they doing? Do they really think they can rebuild Iraq and expect it to stay that way..Some physco like Saddam is gonna appear from no were and rule n this is gonna be repeated over n over..:rolleyes:

becoming an isolationist country will only delay a war. we tried that from 1919 to DECEMBER 7th 1941.

[redroost85]

How there could ever be 'rules' for war is beyond me....it's a fricking war people!:grr:

This ain't effing playing cops and robbers in the back yard here.:mad:

Let us not forget, these Iraqis did FAR worse things to their OWN people for crying out loud.

I think the press is making way to effing much outta this stuff.

[Juggalo]

i'm not going to say the guys that did this don't deserve to be punished because hey they are breaking laws. but i'm not shocked or outraged by whats happening there. hell i think it serves em right. whats gonna happen when we let all those guys go if we just treated em like royalty in a prison camp? nothin they will go and just start doing what they were doing during the war. i bet the american prisoners are being treated way worse and nobody here is even concerned with that.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by redroost85


I think the press is making way to effing much outta this stuff.

its an election year....

what pisses me off is that they wont play the video from 9/11 or show the pictures of the aftermath on a more current basis. they say it will enrage the american public. WTF:confused:

americans are a forgetful lot. if it isnt impacting them right now they dismiss it. not me...i think they should play the 9/11 tapes every friggon day as a reminder of just why we are taking out the trash. Iraq was the biggest bully on the block and it got knocked the hell out. an example was needed and they were it. small fighting will go on in that waste of a country for some time yet...after all you cant tell who is the enemy once again. I figure as some more time passes, and the iraqi people realize we arent pulling out this time, that they will begin to do thier part in helping re take thier nation.

[MOFO]

Pappy, I agree with everything you said. I dont know how they could cover a story like this, yet say re-playing 9/11 footage will make people angry.

I really hope that one positive comes out of this story... PEOPLE WILL FINALLY SEE THAT AL QUADA IS TIED IN WITH IRAQ!

[spincr4hire]

Originally posted by Pappy
what pisses me off is that they wont play the video from 9/11 or show the pictures of the aftermath on a more current basis. they say it will enrage the american public. WTF:confused:

Couldn't agree more...I've heard a 9/11 movie is in the works, but I'm sure it will never make it to print, at least for a while...:rolleyes:

[Big400EX]

Originally posted by devildriver422
i agree

I think that humiliating them is fine, but to have a dog attack them is a bit harsh. I'd just whip them then pour salt or something similiair into the wounds.:devil:

[massjunglist]

pappy, i also agree with you, but in all reality the biggest bully on the block is kim jung il. we know he has WMD's and yet we do nothing about it. why because the bush's have a vendetta against irag. hell g dubya even said " i'm gonna get saddam....he tried to kill my dady"

[Goat397]

i agree with you guys 100% we need to set an example, but theres rumors of a draft happening (which may be toatally false) but im at that age where im screwed if they do. ya know im not tryin to say im a puss but theres things that id much rather be doin than in some giant sand box killen arabs

[Pappy]

North Korea is too broke to do anything. China has thier foot in "ready to stomp" mode IMO.

Besides, it wasnt North Koreans that piloted the planes into the twin towers

[massjunglist]

true. but it wasn't the iraqis either. i'm not tryin to argue. i fully support the war in iraq but there are some things that dubya should have done different i guess.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by massjunglist
true. but it wasn't the iraqis either. i'm not tryin to argue. i fully support the war in iraq but there are some things that dubya should have done different i guess.



on the same note, have you noticed who is TIGHTLY involved with the Iraqi's??? Same group that brought us 9/11! :mad:

I dont want to make this a debate either... just wanted to show this point....and I hope people might actually put 2+2 together and see who is really running the show behind the scenes in Iraq.

[Mr.Offroad]

I'm not for coming home. Only because I listen to the soldiers over there, not our friggin' news media. Those guys need a serious ***-kickin'. And we're just the ones to deliver. Time to take the gloves off. I disagrree with what was in those pics. BUT.. most of them were wearing hoods, so they weren't even identifiable. Hacking somebody's head off and saying it's even-steven? I think not.

[massjunglist]

Originally posted by MOFO
on the same note, have you noticed who is TIGHTLY involved with the Iraqi's??? Same group that brought us 9/11! :mad:

I dont want to make this a debate either... just wanted to show this point....and I hope people might actually put 2+2 together and see who is really running the show behind the scenes in Iraq.

no doubt. this is one of those threads that always seems to turn into a political firing range anyway. so i'm going to gracefully step away.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Mr.Offroad
I'm not for coming home. Only because I listen to the soldiers over there, not our friggin' news media. Those guys need a serious ***-kickin'. And we're just the ones to deliver. Time to take the gloves off. I disagrree with what was in those pics. BUT.. most of them were wearing hoods, so they weren't even identifiable. Hacking somebody's head off and saying it's even-steven? I think not.


I agree with you. I have a few friends that have come back from Iraq...and it really is a different story than what we see on the media.

[RMX500]

who wants to start funding pro-american mercenaries to take out iraq?

I pledge.

[Greg Z]

there is the video of the beheading I hope the news shows this so all these pollly prissy homo's that ohhh they were naked omg they were NAKED who cares Naked is not as bad as getting your head cut off CUT not chopped off... Watch the video... it almost made me throw up....

tell me how you feel after this

[honda350r]

Nice link azzhole !!

[Pappy]

i killed the link because it was hosted on a porn site. use some common sense please:p

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Greg Z
there is the video of the beheading I hope the news shows this so all these pollly prissy homo's that ohhh they were naked omg they were NAKED who cares Naked is not as bad as getting your head cut off CUT not chopped off... Watch the video... it almost made me throw up....

tell me how you feel after this


I have no words to describe how I feel...

certain things should be left un viewed IMO.

[Mxbubs]

The bad thing about being brutal to our prisoners, is that when our guys get caught, it will be even worse for them.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Mxbubs
The bad thing about being brutal to our prisoners, is that when our guys get caught, it will be even worse for them.

yep....but dont think we will be taking a bunch of un wounded prisoners from now on;)

heres the movie .....i believe every american should see this that isnt for the war

[Thumperz4Life]

War is War, Plain and simple! I dont know why soem americans whine and cry about what happens to iraqui soldiers. Yeah it was absolutely STUPID to take pictures of it but please.........im sure stuff like that goes on in prisons here. I must say that after watching that beheading video, there defiantely should not be any rules, that was just HORRIBLE.

[Pappy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jumbo747
[B]heres the movie .....i believe every american should see this that isnt for the war

One beheading wont get too much stuff stirred up.


if they could, the religous factions over there would kill every american they could get thier hands on. Burn this video in your brain and remeber it.....he was a CIVILIAN:grr:

[Greg Z]

Originally posted by Pappy
i killed the link because it was hosted on a porn site. use some common sense please:p sry pappy, its not a porn site but it advertises porn :-(

if any one wants the link.. Just PM me and Ill send it to you


EDIT : pappy.... wth? jumbo has the same link up as I did and you didnt kill his link but you killed mine?

[Pappy]

i killed all the links containing porn:confused:

[banshee364r]

i truly think it is time to step in and lay the smack down and finish this **** now these people have hated eachother and everyone else since the dawn of time thats all they do is throw rocks at each other and blow them selves up well if you want to die for your god or whatever i say we give them a helping hand i truly think whats gonna happen here is that we the amaericans are gonna start handling **** ourselves you know all these militia groups we got are just looking for a reason and i think this beheading incident might put them over the edge i'd like to share a story that i think was great this happened at a college near my home the day of 9-11 that afternoon some "arabic" students were seen giving eachother high fives in a class room while watching the events on t.v. instantly a major *** whoopin occured while the professor turned away and walked out of the classroom he later returned to an empty classroom only to find to kids with th **** beat out of them and then he called security mad props go to that professor for looking the other way

sorry about the porno link...I couldnt find the movie on aany other site & just wanted people to see it....these arabians are nuts

[SRH]

what are we doing over there now anyway? besdies making arabian cattle prod porno

[Greg Z]

Originally posted by SRH
what are we doing over there now anyway? besdies making arabian cattle prod porno thats disgusting... yeah so what WHO cares if they were naked... they still CUT an american guy head off.... thats alot worse then being naked.... i rather be naked then get my head chopped off.. man you are sick if you dont care that an american head got cut off just because the POTW's that american soilders had made them go naked... They should post this and all the other **** they did on TV so all you people could be quiet

[p@iNn3ck]

merc work...PMCs.... pay em to slay em!

:devil:


Originally posted by RMX500
who wants to start funding pro-american mercenaries to take out iraq?

I pledge.

[Bobbs07]

I personally think that is sick. How would you feal to be that guy, you might say its only one person, but wait til that one person is your dad or mom or sister or brother.. then whats that person to you..

[Gillbilly]

What we did to those prisoners was wrong plan and simple.They werent just naked,they were *** f****d with a broom handle,had dogs chew on thier legs and who knows what else.Now if you consider this just naked I know some people that would love to come spend a night with you.We as AMERICANS must stand above this type of treatment no matter what.The beheading of a civilian is wrong, no doubt but an eye for an eye is wrong.Its nothing more than gang mentality.They have hated us over there forever its not a surprise so again the whole reason we need to rise above and show we are better than them.

[seatec]

Originally posted by Gillbilly
What we did to those prisoners was wrong plan and simple.They werent just naked,they were *** f****d with a broom handle,had dogs chew on thier legs and who knows what else.Now if you consider this just naked I know some people that would love to come spend a night with you.We as AMERICANS must stand above this type of treatment no matter what.The beheading of a civilian is wrong, no doubt but an eye for an eye is wrong.Its nothing more than gang mentality.They have hated us over there forever its not a surprise so again the whole reason we need to rise above and show we are better than them.


Yup! It is hard to be better than them but we can do it!

[wilkin250r]

I saw the thread, and I was going to stay out of it, but it doesn't seem to be getting too heated.

Gillbilly is right. Yes, the Iraqis have done much worse than we have, but that doesn't excuse our behavior. Half the world was against this war when we began, but we did it anyways, because we believe in right and wrong, we believe in personal freedoms. This wasn't about oil, as some people claim. This is a war about HUMANITY, about protecting people from the tortures and inhumanity at the hands of a tyrant.

Now, we are violating that same humanity.

When we began this war, we had an overwhelming 75% support from the people of Iraq. They believed in the ideals of America, that Americans are kind, and would never torture people. Since the photos of the Abu Gharib prison have surfaced, that support had dropped to less than 50%.

If the Iraqi people do not believe in us, if we are not winning their hearts, than what are we fighting for?

[wilkin250r]

Can someone PM me the link to the video. I can't find it here at work (porn sites are blocked)

[Mxbubs]

I think all theyve done is pissed off Americans,and the presidency more. They think it is a scare tatic that will make us think twice about attacking them, but I think it is going to make us quicker to attack them. And quite frankly, wouldnt bother me a bit to see all these murdering ruthless people given a dose of their own.

Originally posted by wilkin250r
Can someone PM me the link to the video. I can't find it here at work (porn sites are blocked)

me too..




I think what it all boils down too is we are not wanted in that nation.

It's like someone coming to your house and tellin you what to do.

We completed the task of finding Sadam, I say we break camp and send the troops back home..:macho Tell them good luck with everything and don't forget to take out the trash..:eek2:

[seatec]

Originally posted by Rico
me too..




I think what it all boils down too is we are not wanted in that nation.

It's like someone coming to your house and tellin you what to do.

We completed the task of finding Sadam, I say we break camp and send the troops back home..:macho Tell them good luck with everything and don't forget to take out the trash..:eek2:

Yeah but if we leave that country in the midst of instability wihtout a proper goverment in place another Saddam will rear its ugly head before our warships have docked.

[motor mouth]

Originally posted by seatec
Yeah but if we leave that country in the midst of instability wihtout a proper goverment in place another Saddam will rear its ugly head before our warships have docked.

I'd say its going to happen anyway so screw it. they dont want a government like ours but for some reason our government thinks its best for them.:rolleyes:

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by Rico
We completed the task of finding Sadam, I say we break camp and send the troops back home..:macho Tell them good luck with everything and don't forget to take out the trash..:eek2:

While it sounds good in theory, and makes for a decent joke, in reality I think that would be a very bad idea.

There is money and oil in Iraq. It is very attractive real-estate. If we leave it in shambles now, it will create the biggest power vacuum in history. All that oil, people looking for guidance, not able to defend themselves, and nobody to lead them. All it takes is one charasmatic dictator to step in (like Hitler) to take the reins, and we have the same problems all over again.

It's like setting loose an armored car full of money with no driver. Somebody will get in and drive, and I don't think he'll be giving that money back to the bank. We gotta stay until the job is finished.

[zephead400ex]

Good analagy Wilkin.

We are going to have to educate the people of Iraq to know how to stand up to a possible tyrant like Saddam. Without being educated the people are not smart enough to stop these types of things from happening.

Iraq is a complete mess, not necessarily Bush's fault imo. We are not able to leave at this point, unfortunatly. I want our solides home like everyone else, but we have to finish the job we started.

[seatec]

I get regular correspndance of an amry captain telling me about the things that they do there. few things blew my mind like this one.
He said that most of the people of IRAQ had never had a clean and steady supply of water!?????/ WOW. can you imagin not having that? A lot of schools have been built and more kids than ever (also girls) are now getting a proper education. He said that most IRAQI people are thrilled to have them there because they feel free but are afraid that we will leave and leave them to get terrorised again buy the szounies(sp?).

[honda350r]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
Can someone PM me the link to the video. I can't find it here at work (porn sites are blocked)


You really don't want to put that in your mind! It is horrible what they did and someone should pay!

[wilkin250r]

Oh, absolutely. The war we are fighting now is with small rebel groups. The citizens of Iraq support our presence, but of course the media isn't going to report that. They are going to sensationalize the tragedy.

I say we turn the "Nuke 'em all" philosophy from the Iraqi rebels, and turn it on the media. Get them the hell out of this war, and then we can get down to business.

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by honda350r
You really don't want to put that in your mind! It is horrible what they did and someone should pay!

I want to see the video, and just how horrific it truly is. If I'm going to be talking about it, I need to know what I'm talking about...

[honda350r]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
I want to see the video, and just how horrific it truly is. If I'm going to be talking about it, I need to know what I'm talking about...

there you go! I pm'ed you.. If anyone else wants it you can get it from Wikin250r I am not going to infect any more minds !

[seven]

I have the link but I am not sure if I really want to see it. I heard the whole thing though and It doesnt sound pretty.

[jmoney45]

Can someone pm me the link as well. Don't know if I really want to see it but feel I should. It will probably fuel my anger even more. :mad:

[PHIL_B54]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
If the Iraqi people do not believe in us, if we are not winning their hearts, than what are we fighting for?

You cant win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless. I do not totally agree with this statement, but it has some truth. I agree that most of the citizens suport us, and the press should STFU.

I saw a thing compairing Iraq with Germany after WWII. The German people didnt like their occupation either, they also bombed and sabotaged the Allied efforts. The fighters quickly gave up and the people slowly started to support the allies. The difference....Germans were tired of fighting, they wanted their lives back to normal. Iraquis have ALWAYS been fighting, they know nothing else.

We are doing the right thing...Stay the course.

[Greg Z]

ok listin i sent like 6 people the video half of the people i sent a bad link to them and theres a lock on sending how many pms to people


so just IM me on aol and ill send you the Link threw there....

:(

That's probably the most gruesome thing I've ever seen.
I hunt and pull guts out of animals small and large but that was just down right...............Can't even think of words to use..


Kinda regret watching it now...:(

[wilkin250r]

For those that are looking for the link, do not bother to PM me for it until tomorrow. I cannot verify the link here at work, and I will not send out the link until I can verify it.

[Karizz]

Same feelings here Rico...:( just not right.

[400exTN]

Someone please pm me this link.

[400exdad]

I'm really not sure if I want to see the video or not. In some way, I think it is like watching a public hanging... that it's just not right and the family should not have to endure the fact that people are seeing their son be murdered over and over again.

Yesterday, on the way home, I was listening to talk radio and they played a snippet of "Have You Forgotten" and it made me wonder how anyone can really question why we are in Iraq. You cannot let these people do what they did, or are doing and get away with it. While I think it was a stupid mistake of a few individuals to treat the Iraqi soldiers badly, put yourself in their (the prison guards) place. It would be an even worse feeling or hatred than a cop feels when he's chasing a speeder or someone that is trying to take his life.

The US is doing the right thing by being in Iraq and trying to establish a democratic or at least reasonable government. We are not seeing the positive things that are being accomplished, only the negative things. If we leave now, it would be worse than before.

I also read that several or many of the US soldiers being held responsible for the abuse have criminal records here in the states. The 21 year old girl that is in just about every pic has assult charges against her.

I find it odd and stupid that we have criminals servering for our country over seas, and their job duty is to detain and watch prisoners when they have a problem themselves...:huh

You put bad people in charge of watching bad people what do you expect..:rolleyes:

[00Banshee]

Originally posted by 400exTN
Someone please pm me this link.

check ur pm

[04'400ex'er]

Originally posted by seven
I will probably get a lot of crap for this but I have to speak my mind.

I am tired of seeing on the news how bad they have it becouse they were taken photos of naked. Personally they can shove a cattle prode up there @$$ to get the awnsers they need. We are fighting a war were they have no rules and we are on our best behavior. After what they did to the guy by beheading him I say kill em all!

I'll drink to that.

[04'400ex'er]

Can someone PM me the link. I'm not sure if i want to see it.

[400exTN]

It's a very difficult video to watch and guaranteed to make you feel sick. I feel terrible for the family and embarrassment for those that tortured the Iraq prisoners.

[Bill Fuller]

Can someone send me the link?

[BLACKeR]

this thread has to be the most encouraging thing i have seen in a long time im glad to see theres still men who love and support their country and military. HOOAH!! i also get a kick out of the fact that theres all the whimpy liberals out there whining about how bad we are when we can have the pics of the iraqis all over the press but were to freaked out to even talk about what there doing to americans. yeah were the bad ones....SHOVE IT!! ITS WAR LIBERALS!!

[EvilJester400EX]

Someone PM it to me, please.

[Atreyu]

I think our country has a bath towel shortage. Maybe the beheading of Iraqi's could be productive. :devil:

[Cole Trane]

What we did was wrong and what they did was even more wrong. You have to have rules and both sides broke them. I've always thought we should bomb the crap outta the whole country, but that's my opinion. There are people in Irag right now that are just as mad about what happened to the American civilian contractor as we are. That's what makes it worse, is he was just over there trying to rebuild that chithole country for the Iraqi people.

[rr4406pak]

The nature of Islamic fanaticism is such that only mindless, zealot cowards need apply. Piety and faith are not requirements.

Just yesterday I was scrolling through the Fatwa Bank on Islam Online (because I was pissed about the beheading and wanted to see what the Islam community was saying) and found numerous Koranic references to the fact that Islam offers only two choices for the treatment of prisoners: Release or ransom. If kept as prisoners, they must be treated well and not abused in any way. That kind of flies in the face of what the civilian Berg received from his brave, masked Muslim captors, now doesn't it?

So, my question is: Are these Islamic terrorists, these brave al-Qaeda warriors for God apostates? Are they heretics? Have they blasphemed by invoking God as they committed grave sins? Can I even get one Muslim to condemn the individual people who perpetrated this barbaric act?

I guess that, too, is a rhetorical question as the Fatwa Bank also addresses that. It seems that Muslims are forbidden by their medieval religion from breaking faith with their fellow Muslims under any circumstance. How crazy is that? Muslims exempt themselves from any internal criticism for any atrocity they may commit. This may explain why Islamic leaders condemn the act, but not the actors. (Oh, if by chance you do sin and break faith, you're only allowed to do so for up to three days. After that you need to feed 12 hungry people as atonement.)

You radical Islamic blowhards (you know who you are) may do yourselves a favor by reviewing the Fatwa Bank. Your very finest scholars even set forth rules for combat. It seems you are required to meet honorably on the field of battle, but oddly, most Muslims prefer to hide behind suicide bombers and their women and children.

For you guys who want to Islamify the entire world, the first step should be to honor your religion, don't you think? You ought to put on a uniform (if you want Geneva Convention protections), and fight! Fight honorably and not use women and children either as shields or as your surrogates. Cowards, one and all.

Until the "Grand Muslim Army of the New Caliphate" stands up and identifies itself as the military force behind their plans of world domination, I guess I'll maintain my considered opinion that most Muslim fanatics are cowardly butchers, devoid of courage, civility, or regard for human life. They kill and butcher at will, invoking God's name, yet blaspheme their very own religion in the process. Indiscriminate savagery is their calling, the depths of Hell is their destination.

If that's not the height of hypocrisy, I don't know what possibly could be. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any of Islam's scholars (or any other prominent Muslim for that matter), to publicly and unequivocally condemn the people as well as the act.
:grr:

[JTRtrx250r]

Ive seen the vid, :mad:

Theres a few things about them that puts me at a loss for words, the wear hoods like cowards, use wemon /children as sheilds, kill for the sake of killing and justify it w/ God, beleive there are virgins waiting for them in the after-life......, I think theyve been in the sun WAY too long:rolleyes:

Anything Americans have done to them isnt even comparable to the chit they do, altho Ive never been there...Im sure they've probed ppl w/ things much worse than a broom handle, and then think its comparable to taking a knife and cutting a live persons head off???....WTMFF??:huh I am suprised that some crazy American hasnt gone looking for hodgys living in the US and do the same to them...it that kind of thing that will bring those ppl out. I just have a feeling that all the Middle east countries are gonna ban together as 1...then we'll really have our chit cut out for us:rolleyes: :grr: this wont go away no matter what we do over there....the world is a diffrent place now and will forever be,
all the young kids over there will just see part of what we're trying to do and will grow up to hate the US even more and they'll think its their will to become a terrorist and and it will be their justifiable cause:rolleyes: the chits deep ppl!!!

[redrunner]

I think I will be too pissed and I don't want that stuck in my head. My opinion, pull our guys out, drop a couple of big ones and let em all suffer. As you said war is war.

[XANDADA]

Its truely disgusting how mankind can treat each other sometimes. My heart goes out to his family/friends.

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by js52589
hey man we've all got dreams :o :p
editing my post huh:cuss: haha:D

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by rr4406pak
The nature of Islamic fanaticism is such that only mindless, zealot cowards need apply. Piety and faith are not requirements.

Just yesterday I was scrolling through the Fatwa Bank on Islam Online (because I was pissed about the beheading and wanted to see what the Islam community was saying) and found numerous Koranic references to the fact that Islam offers only two choices for the treatment of prisoners: Release or ransom. If kept as prisoners, they must be treated well and not abused in any way. That kind of flies in the face of what the civilian Berg received from his brave, masked Muslim captors, now doesn't it?

So, my question is: Are these Islamic terrorists, these brave al-Qaeda warriors for God apostates? Are they heretics? Have they blasphemed by invoking God as they committed grave sins? Can I even get one Muslim to condemn the individual people who perpetrated this barbaric act?

I guess that, too, is a rhetorical question as the Fatwa Bank also addresses that. It seems that Muslims are forbidden by their medieval religion from breaking faith with their fellow Muslims under any circumstance. How crazy is that? Muslims exempt themselves from any internal criticism for any atrocity they may commit. This may explain why Islamic leaders condemn the act, but not the actors. (Oh, if by chance you do sin and break faith, you're only allowed to do so for up to three days. After that you need to feed 12 hungry people as atonement.)

You radical Islamic blowhards (you know who you are) may do yourselves a favor by reviewing the Fatwa Bank. Your very finest scholars even set forth rules for combat. It seems you are required to meet honorably on the field of battle, but oddly, most Muslims prefer to hide behind suicide bombers and their women and children.

For you guys who want to Islamify the entire world, the first step should be to honor your religion, don't you think? You ought to put on a uniform (if you want Geneva Convention protections), and fight! Fight honorably and not use women and children either as shields or as your surrogates. Cowards, one and all.

Until the "Grand Muslim Army of the New Caliphate" stands up and identifies itself as the military force behind their plans of world domination, I guess I'll maintain my considered opinion that most Muslim fanatics are cowardly butchers, devoid of courage, civility, or regard for human life. They kill and butcher at will, invoking God's name, yet blaspheme their very own religion in the process. Indiscriminate savagery is their calling, the depths of Hell is their destination.

If that's not the height of hypocrisy, I don't know what possibly could be. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any of Islam's scholars (or any other prominent Muslim for that matter), to publicly and unequivocally condemn the people as well as the act.
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Wow! great post! I totally agree, the first thing these "islamic extremist" can do is start honoring there religion. If you read about islam it seems like an OK religion to follow life wise, besides the fact that they arent following jesus of course. When i saw the video, i instantly got a headache and started yelling at the computer screen. You can download the full video on sharing programs like kazaa. There truly are no words to describe it.

I love your sig..."it will all be over soon" jesus is coming boys. I couldnt imagine not having anyone to turn to after this world is done(like jesus and god). In my opinion, the good of this world has already past. Its not like we are all going to become friends some day. There is too much hate between us all, and it wont go away because of pride. If you arent following him yet you better hurry up!

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can someone pm me the link or send it to rsl_88@hotmail.com........... put the title as IRAQIE or somethin like that... thanks.. Didnt think i wanted to see it but curiosity got the best of me..