even though honda is known for rock solid trannys!!!!!!

[REDARMYRACER]

I changed my oil in both the engine and transmission. i went with KLOTZ 10w-40 in both, the manual said to use 10w-40, and when i rode the bike at Silver Lake Sand Dunes in Michigan, it was pulling out of 4th gear under hard excelleration. Is the klotz synthetic to slick for a trans oil or should i take the bike in???
If i let it sit for a bit to cool down it would ride ok for a few then slip out of gear...... I'm so scared my poor baby isn't going to run good and beat Gramahas anymore!!! someone help!!!!! please!!!!!!:mad:

[protraxrptr17]

Sorry to break it to you buddy. Oil won't make it jump out of gear. The wrong oil might make your clutch slip. Probably a bent shift fork. Gear dogs might be ok if you don't try to keep riding it.

[joe1l]

I changed my oil in both the engine and transmission. i went with KLOTZ 10w-40 in both, the manual said to use 10w-40, and when i rode the bike at Silver Lake Sand Dunes in Michigan, it was pulling out of 4th gear under hard excelleration. Is the klotz synthetic to slick for a trans oil or should i take the bike in???
One time on my 250R I ran a synthetic expensive 10w-40 in the trans, on a real hot day, and I was missing gears often, and falling out of certain gers. I was sure that my tranny was bad. Anyhow i talked to some guys and they told me to NOT run synthetic in my bottom end and swith to the Pro-Honda HP trans oil SAE 80w/85w Trans Oil (http://powersports.honda.com/the_goods/parts_and_service/detail.asp?ProductGroup=2%2DStroke+Oils&PartId=08C35-A851M01&PartValue=Pro%2DHonda+HP+Trans+Oil+SAE+80W%2F85W&TheGoodsDir=0) and I have never had the problem again. This is the same bottom end oil I use my 450R, I have had very good luck with it, I would recomend trying it and see how your tranny feels.
Joe

time to take it to a honda dealership & beg them to fix it under the 6 month honda warranty

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by Jumbo747
time to take it to a honda dealership & beg them to fix it under the 6 month honda warranty


I hope this isnt something we are all going to have to do. There was another thread where someone else was having the same problem with the same gear, 4th. But they ended up saying when they changed there shift lever position, and they could lock it in gear better, it stoped. They did this after switching to riding boots.

Originally posted by joe1l
One time on my 250R I ran a synthetic expensive 10w-40 in the trans, on a real hot day, and I was missing gears often, and falling out of certain gers. I was sure that my tranny was bad. Anyhow i talked to some guys and they told me to NOT run synthetic in my bottom end and swith to the Pro-Honda HP trans oil SAE 80w/85w Trans Oil (http://powersports.honda.com/the_goods/parts_and_service/detail.asp?ProductGroup=2%2DStroke+Oils&PartId=08C35-A851M01&PartValue=Pro%2DHonda+HP+Trans+Oil+SAE+80W%2F85W&TheGoodsDir=0) and I have never had the problem again. This is the same bottom end oil I use my 450R, I have had very good luck with it, I would recomend trying it and see how your tranny feels.
Joe im going to this oil tomorrow when i change my oil for break in...how often should i change this oil after I ride? isnt it like 0.85% of this that goes in atv transmission & should I run GN4 20w-40 in the oil side? how much goes in there? its like 0.85% of a liter too right?

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by Jumbo747
im going to this oil tomorrow when i change my oil for break in...how often should i change this oil after I ride? isnt it like 0.85% of this that goes in atv transmission & should I run GN4 20w-40 in the oil side? how much goes in there? its like 0.85% of a liter too right?

I read in the manual you werent supposed to run synthetics in the 450R. There were a few oils that the manual restricted you from getting. I might try that other tanny oil, sounds like good stuff!

[JWhite]

Originally posted by sparky450AR
I read in the manual you werent supposed to run synthetics in the 450R. There were a few oils that the manual restricted you from getting. I might try that other tanny oil, sounds like good stuff!

Therefore voiding the warranty on related failures.

[Jonas]

Just run the Honda oil. Hp trans oil and Hp4 10/40 without moly.

[Sandgod4]

Cannondales run full synthetic oils in the tranny. They don't have clutch probems... It can't be the oil...

[kazpr]

I run Hp trans oil and Hp4M. Runs good.

[2004TRX450R]

Originally posted by Sandgod4
Cannondales run full synthetic oils in the tranny. They don't have clutch probems... It can't be the oil...

Not saying it is bad to run synthetics or not in the 450R but just because Cannondales run it doesn't mean squat for the 450R. It is put together completely different by a different company using different materials.

I run Honda HP Trans Oil in mine. The only thing I see in my manual about synthetics is not to run the Moly oil in the tranny.

[thomez]

I can't see how oil could keep you in gear or let you fall out, you would think it had a little tighter grip on it than that... no matter what oil. These are teeth that fit together, right? Oil could make it slippery but I just can't see it being so slippery that they won't stay interlocked. Just how it makes sense to me, but I dunno. Make sense to you? :p

[400exBro]

synthetic oils are not suppose to run durning break in, becuase the synthetic oil lubractes more and this will cause the engine parts not to wear in as properly as they should...

Synthetics oil, i feel, are a lot better then the normal mineral oil, i will soon be switching over after i have run mineral oil through the engine a couple of times... Lots of machinics like the use of synthetics oils becuase they last longer and can have better lubraction...

the only thing to watch out for in the tranny is that you shouldn't run a automotive type oil, becuase it will slip the clutch to much and you will burn it out... make sure it is motorcycle oil that is design for the use of a clutch...

so regular honda GN4 20w-40 in the left side with new oil filter & the honda 85w/80 HP transmission fluid in my right side?

[450fullthrottle]

Originally posted by Jumbo747
so regular honda GN4 20w-40 in the left side with new oil filter & the honda 85w/80 HP transmission fluid in my right side?

Thats right. I used the GN4 for 3 changes and now i have switched to the HP4. You can use belray 80w if they dont have the honda HPtrans oil

[Blown 331]

I run Honda synthetic 10w 40 on both sides. But I get it with moly for the engine. No probs what so ever.

I never headr of running 20w or 80w. Where did you come up with that?

[roughrider01]

Mine would never slip out of gear on me in the middle of riding but when shifting sometimes i didnt click up hard enough and miss a shift. I lowered my shifter and it hasnt done it since. I noticed with it in stock position i had to lift up way to far for my likings.

Originally posted by roughrider01
Mine would never slip out of gear on me in the middle of riding but when shifting sometimes i didnt click up hard enough and miss a shift. I lowered my shifter and it hasnt done it since. I noticed with it in stock position i had to lift up way to far for my likings. mine is the same thing but I have been doing it alot & not really noticing it..maybe ill lower my shifter a little

[450fullthrottle]

Originally posted by Blown 331
I run Honda synthetic 10w 40 on both sides. But I get it with moly for the engine. No probs what so ever.

I never headr of running 20w or 80w. Where did you come up with that?

its BelRay gear saver 80weight......I think the Honda HP trans oil is 80w as well

[1fast450R]

I think it says somewhere in the owners manual not to run synthetic oil in the transmission because it is to slick...

[joe1l]

Its quite simple Pro-Honda HP trans oil SAE 80w/85w is designed for your tranny, 10w40 is designed for your engine!!!! Use the tranny oil in the tranny and the engine oil (HP4 or GN4) in your engine. Of course you can put the engine oil in your tranny....but why do that when there is oil already designed for your bike's tranny:eek2: I don't know why people insist on using engine oil in there tranny!! The honda manual says you can but the tranny oil is cheap enough that it shouldn't matter!!! If you spend 7K on an ATV then don't go cheap on oil!

[450fullthrottle]

Originally posted by joe1l
Its quite simple Pro-Honda HP trans oil SAE 80w/85w is designed for your tranny, 10w40 is designed for your engine!!!! Use the tranny oil in the tranny and the engine oil (HP4 or GN4) in your engine. Of course you can put the engine oil in your tranny....but why do that when there is oil already designed for your bike's tranny:eek2: I don't know why people insist on using engine oil in there tranny!! The honda manual says you can but the tranny oil is cheap enough that it shouldn't matter!!! If you spend 7K on an ATV then don't go cheap on oil!

AGREED 100%

[thomez]

LOL - isn't Honda oil pretty cheap?

I'd be running a full synthetic like Redline, Mobil 1, Klozt, Maxima, or Amsoil - you bought a $7k quad don't go cheap on oil.

i like the honda red stuff...seems to be high quality & after another oil change or 2 im going to mobile 1 red cap on the engine oil side & staying with the Hp4 honda red transmission fluid stuff. after my first tank of gas I changed the oil & oil filter & there was no metal also.

[joe1l]

LOL - isn't Honda oil pretty cheap?
I'd be running a full synthetic like Redline, Mobil 1, Klozt, Maxima, or Amsoil - you bought a $7k quad don't go cheap on oil.

The Honda HP4 w/ moly engine oil is 7.99 a qt, and the tranny oil is 4.00 a qt (which is relatively cheap for a very good product). The Honda is a little more expensive than some other stuff you can get at your local walmart, and IMO worth it. The Honda oil IMO is a very good value, especially the tranny oil.

[thomez]

I wonder who makes it for them, anyone know? :confused:

I am still not confident that I would be using it above any of those top synthetics I mentioned, but I'd bet that someone like Valvoline is making it for Honda, no?

[joe1l]

I don't like synthetics in my tranny, i much rather run a good oil like the Honda PRO HP 80w/85w that I metioned and change it a bit more often.;)

[RedRacer44]

I have been running Honda GN4 10w-30 in the motor side and GN4 20w-50 in the clutch side.......no problems yet! I change my oil quite frequently, if I race on Saturday night and ride on sunday....change my oil the next week before the race. There's not even a quart of oil in each side of the motor and race conditions are hard on motors and motor oil.

I am happy with the GN4 oil, and its only $3 a quart. Cant be happier!

[Blown 331]

Where do you get it for $3 a quart? It's $5 here.

$4 here

[RedRacer44]

A quad shop here in El Reno, Oklahoma where I go to college at called Phil's ATV. He carries it for $3 a quart, guessing thats a pretty good price! He has a sweet shop, keeps A LOT of aftermarket parts for 250R, 400EX, Banshee, Z400, Raptor, YFZ450, and 450R in stock! Lots of that stuff ya have to order, he usually has which is nice.

[250r/master3]

wow exriders is the best i just got a trx450r and i was having the same problem with 4th gear so i came here about to ask the question when i saw the post already here i was running honda 10 w40 in the engion and trany so ill just try the SAE 80w/85w and i might lower my shifter too thanks guys ill tell you how if it works out

[330R PowerValve]

I've run many different types of oil's in my Z400, Banshee, 250r's and my 450R. I have Klotz in my 450R now and will never run it again. I miss gears, shifts into neutral and all kind of stuff associated with the tranny. I ran flex drive 30 in my 250r same thing, MX4 in the z400 with the same problem and I still gave it a try in the 450R and hate it. I switched the 250r to bell Ray and the tranny was flawless. The suzuki to honda HP and never missed a gear again. The new 450R will be changed to honda oil as soon as I can get to the dealership and get a filter. I feel that Klotz smells good and that's about it. Just my 2 cent. Give it a try and see for yourself. Good luck.

go on ebay & buy oil filters in bulks of 5 for like $20 shipped....my stealership was asking $11 a piece for oil filters for the crf450 & trx450r :rolleyes:

[Dave400ex]

I noticed that the shifter was quite small when I rode one this past weekend. Not a real big deal though. I didn't have any problems and it was moved up higher for the guys riding boots.

[250r/master3]

well i changed the trany oil to SAE 80 and it works grate and about oil filters i think that there is a reuseable one that lasts like 3 years or somthing i think i might get that insted of paying $10 for one but its like $60 or somthing

[Jonas]

Your can experiment will oil all you want, but the oil that definately will work perfect is the hp trans oil and the hp4 10/40 without moly. Hp4 is a synthetic blend and will work great.