i think 250r s should live again

[450rboy]

if you like atc250r. tell me. if you think 250r s should live again just say some thing. i would just like here from the people that like 250r s. now i think 250r s are dieing but i wish i could bring them back to life

[Berry]

me, i dont see why not.

but remeber if you have the money you can virtually buy every part for a 250r and assemble it yourself!

[450rboy]

Originally posted by Berry
me, i dont see why not.

but remeber if you have the money you can virtually buy every part for a 250r and assemble it yourself!

yea but if i could find a completely stock 250r. i would buy it right away. or if i was rich. i would be buying as many as i could find

[deathman53]

I would love to see the 250r relive, especailly the atc, but it won't happen between the greens, epa, and sue-happy public. If honda rereleased the 250r in exact 88/89 form I would almost garauntee it would be quad of the year. Honda stopped it because of the greens, suits and other varibles. Besides the general riding public now wants electric start(I call them lazy pusses, men kick their bike), it wouldn't go.

[burrows]

I have a 89 250r for sale. Fresh motor, Fenders, Graphics, all after market, many extras. 3500.00
If they want the extras like CT 310 cylinder, stock cylinder, factory swingarm, stock axle and 2 new UNI filters I need 4000.00
email me at burrows@grm.netfile://C:\My%20Documents\250r.jpg

[RMX500]

if it weren't for the upcoming 2 stroke ban it'd be a charming idea.

[marksuttonjr]

Originally posted by RMX500
if it weren't for the upcoming 2 stroke ban it'd be a charming idea.

That ban is all talk. It will never happen. There are too many things out there that need too much power out of too little engine to go 4 stroke.




THE R IS NOT DEAD YET, BUT IT'S DAY IS COMING AND IT"S COMING WAY TOO FAST.

[batgeek]

pre-existing 2-strokes will be grandfathered.

just no new ones released.

you know how much hell, not only myself...but a whole bunch of other folks, would raise if someone told us that we couldn't use a 2-stroke machine anymore?

hell, even cars that don't use unleaded gas aren't illegal...

pre-Brady high capacity magazine are still legal too. :)

[chucked]

Originally posted by marksuttonjr
That ban is all talk. It will never happen. There are too many things out there that need too much power out of too little engine to go 4 stroke.


wanna bet?

Iwanna250r....just look at the username;)

[hondafox440]

Originally posted by batgeek
pre-existing 2-strokes will be grandfathered.

just no new ones released.

you know how much hell, not only myself...but a whole bunch of other folks, would raise if someone told us that we couldn't use a 2-stroke machine anymore?

hell, even cars that don't use unleaded gas aren't illegal...

pre-Brady high capacity magazine are still legal too. :)

The ban isn't going to ban anything. It is just stricter emission standards for off road 2 strokes (the only ones left are a few KTMs and the KDXs anyways), and I believe all machines affected already meet the new standards anyways, meaning they won't be banned or stopped or anything.

[xr50layke]

if people cant stop companies from making cigarettes ill be damned if they stop companies from making 2 strokes :rolleyes:

maybe it would be a cool idea if yamaha made the banshee 400cc, put that motor in the yfz chassis.

service honda has the cr250/400ex but, its 8G.

[Quadude32]

I say hell ya i m for it. I own 3(88) Trx 250R's:D

[AndrewRRR]

From what I've heard the EPA is releasing strict emissions standards in 2005. It doesn't "ban" anything, but existing 2 stroke technology won't burn clean enough to pass. Manufacturers could make 2 strokes that will pass but my guess is they aren't going to pour millions of dollars in to 2 stroke engine R&D when the 4 strokes are selling so well.
There are already 2005 compliant 2 stroke small engines in weed whackers, blowers, etc. if you look at their websites.
So our R's won't be "banned", they just won't make new ones, kinda like why you can still ride your 3 wheelers around :D

[longie]

Just think about how much a 2004/5 model 250r would cost. If they are selling the 450r for $6400, the 250 would have to high.

[AndrewRRR]

I don't think it would be that bad. The original 250r's were only $2700. They are a lot simpler and cheaper to build than a 4 stroke. No battery, valvetrain, etc.
Oh well. I waited in 1990, 1991, 1992 hoping they'd bring it back. Honda's PR people are too concerned about the company image (people were getting hurt on R's), plus they entered a "gentleman's agreement" not to build 2 stroke race bikes in 1990.

[xr50layke]

so until 93 they made nothing? when did the 250x come in?

[kwatts400]

250x was first made in 87.

[450rboy]

Originally posted by kwatts400
250x was first made in 87.

hey i really like the old 250xs for some reason

[brian-250]

Originally posted by 450rboy
yea but if i could find a completely stock 250r. i would buy it right away. or if i was rich. i would be buying as many as i could find

i saw one stock to the grips for $5500 :eek2:

[diesel-mech]

About the ban,
I'm not 100% sure about this so take it for what you will.
In most cases when the EPA annouces the new emissions laws for the year all engine builders I.E. automotive, motorcycle,industrial,and heavy truck manufactorers must comply to the standard. Each has a different set of standards. But the "standard" may only be 98% compliance so 2% of the engines produced don't have to meet it, now if the manufactorers go over this percentage than they pay penalties.
Take the viper II, it doesn't meet emission regulations, Chrysler controls the number produced buy only selling them to customers who already own a viper. If you don't own one you can't buy one!
Honda builds more engines that anyone on the planet (I think). They have to see the potential for the reintroduction of the 250r. So much potential that the penalties are greater than the incoming revenue of sales. They can only retail them so much or no one could buy them, They are probably paying penalties on some of the engines they are producing now. So what is Honda answer to this dilema? It was the 400ex but it was to far off the mark so the R&D dept. designs the 450R!!! most of the benifits of the 250r with modern technoligy to meet rising emission standards.
Just triing to shine a light from the other side of the spectrum. I work for caterpillar and when the new emissions hit last october they paid penalties until thier ACCERT engines hit production.;)

[AndrewRRR]

True, but Honda is also one of the most image-concious Japanese companies around. They aren't going to do anything that will cause them to come under fire by environmentalists as a company who pollutes, or any other group.
Diesel Mech what do you think about the new truck emission standards for 2007? Gonna kill power? I am in the truck industry and we are really worried about sales in 2007.

[diesel-mech]

Originally posted by AndrewRRR
Diesel Mech what do you think about the new truck emission standards for 2007? Gonna kill power? I am in the truck industry and we are really worried about sales in 2007. [/B]

If you look back through history every single time that an emissions change has taken effect the horsepower and torque ratios have increased shortly there after!
Mid 70's through 80's Epa doesn't care so not much changes, 400hp at 1800 rpm's 1450ft.lbs of torque at 1400 rpms
Mid 80's EPA says clean them up, Cat introduces "new scroll fuel system, air to air after coolers, air fuel ratios, pencil nozzles, much higher injection pressures. After effect is 425hp at 1900rpm's and 1550 ft.lbs of torque at 1200rpm's Big pulling power!
Epa hits hard, Cat introduces the C-model, Higher injection pressure, higher turbo boost. HP increased slightly and torque increases.
EPA says its not good enough, PEEC engine (computer control). HP and torque make a major jump! 460 hp 1650 ft.lbs of torque ( the PEEC system itself was not the most reliable but had some great benifits for fleet owners)
1995 this is when the EPA got a chubby for diesels
Cat goes full bore electronic! 3406E, No turning back! Almost emissions free. HP goes to 600hp torque hits 2100ft.lbs they are clean and powerful. Also completely programmable. Up to 30 psi boost pressure. 3406E evolves to the C-15 Lighter and more reliable.
2003 (october) EPA hits hard again! CAT wasn't ready. They patched up the C-15 (bridge engine) They made it tamper proof. They paid fines until the ACCERT engine was ready
January 2004, Certain fleets get the ACCERT engines as test engines. Twin turbos (50 psi boost) variable valve timing, computer controls every thing! You can't play with this engine to milk the power! But this engine has a 700hp rating that is not yet used in the USA! Only minor changes will be made for this engine to meet 2007 emissions and cat has 3 years to perfect it. It will be a great engine when the bugs are worked out. You can only find the problems as they accure. Be patient its a new monster to everyone. Cat usually doesn't "lead in the technoligy race" they just make the most power!
The question is Cummins and Detriot squeeked by with the egr vavle, How do they plan to cover the massive 2007 emissions?

So HP will never suffer from the EPA(IMO) Manufactorers just have to spend more $$$

[AndrewRRR]

Wow, I didn't realize Cat was so on top of it already! That's pretty awesome. It will be interesting to see what DD and Cummins do.
Most of the Peterbilts we sell are ordered with Cat power anyways.