Storing race gas......

[QuadJunkies]

How long is Race gas good for???We bought a 55 gal. drum since gas prices are going up......How long can you store VP c-12 for until its no good????We have had it for about a month now ans still havent opened the Drum yet.....

[adeptex]

I asked the same question where I buy fuel, a Sunoco Race Fuel Distributor. They said it will last for months with no loss in octane as long as it is kept sealed and out of the sunlight.

[ZRider400]

i was told the same thing

dark containers better....... keep out of sunlight and keep in a cool spot.

[QuadJunkies]

Its in our Garage,its in a VP Drum(dark blue) so its out of the sun .Between the PRedator and the mini Quad(the mini has to be run on Race gas now also) we guess around 6-8 months until it runs out........

[JOEX]

Think of it as an incentive to ride more often:macho :D

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by JOEX
Think of it as an incentive to ride more often:macho :D Oh trust me..............We do........:D :blah:

[Chanman420q]

where did u get the drum?

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Chanman420q
where did u get the drum? at a place called United Oil...its cheaper bought in a Drum(it comes that way) or you can buy 5 gal at a time, but we go through too much to be buying it that way........:p

[RMX500]

i store it in a plain red jerry can. lasts forever.. but who using race gas doesn't use 55 gallons pretty quick. I use easily 20 gallons every week or 2.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by RMX500
i store it in a plain red jerry can. lasts forever.. but who using race gas doesn't use 55 gallons pretty quick. I use easily 20 gallons every week or 2. yes but we only mix it 60/40 so it goes a bit longer for us.....:)

[Chanman420q]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
at a place called United Oil...its cheaper bought in a Drum(it comes that way) or you can buy 5 gal at a time, but we go through too much to be buying it that way........:p

did u order it offline or go to a store? i wanna get one of these drums but dont know where to get it

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Chanman420q
did u order it offline or go to a store? i wanna get one of these drums but dont know where to get it the gas came locally, I dont think you can buy race gas online in a drum . At least...not that Im aware of,this place is a petrolium Co.:) I would just look in your phone book and look up local places in the Yellow pages, I was shocked to find out how much the mark up is in An ATV shop:eek:

[BLURR250X]

Yes C-12 is very expensive in local ATV shops. I paid just under $9.00 a gallon last week for some. I deff. need to figure something out. What other size drums do they sell VP in?

[adeptex]

Wow, that is high. I pay $4.20 for it and they sell it by the gallon.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by BLURR250X
Yes C-12 is very expensive in local ATV shops. I paid just under $9.00 a gallon last week for some. I deff. need to figure something out. What other size drums do they sell VP in? Im not sure.. They only come in these two sizes here:( IT would be nice if I could buy it in a 25 or 30 Gal. instead... Maybe when we have to buy the next Drum,ill split it with someone..It ave. out to around 6.14 a Gal by us buying a drum vs. the 5 gal. at 8.00 a gal.....

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by adeptex
Wow, that is high. I pay $4.20 for it and they sell it by the gallon. what?????? C12 is 4 a gal????? You sure???? Ive never seen it that cheap anywhere

[RMX500]

my best friend runs 110 racing gas in his 350Z but he doesn't pay near 9 bucks a gallon. He gets great stuff for 6.75 a gallon or something. It's full 110 octane fuel and no different than C12 or whatever.

I just use the stuff he gets in my racer, and once the predator's all done up tight with high comp. it'll be drinkin' high octane too.

[adeptex]

I run Sonoco fuel not VP. I pay $4.20 for Sonoco purple leaded 110. I really like the way this fuel performs, I doubt that th c12 is worth twice as much.

[parkers30]

I think its like 3.50 a gallon for 110 race gas right out of the pump at the gas station near me, BP gas station

[Towlieee]

Originally posted by parkers30
I think its like 3.50 a gallon for 110 race gas right out of the pump at the gas station near me, BP gas station

110 from the pump?..

My friend worked a shop with a mechanic who sold race gas, he sold me 5 gallons at $6.50 a gallon, 112 octane... He said it is equal to 118 or 120 octane at the pump..

[parkers30]

yeah 110 race gas from the pump its pretty cool, its the only one I've ever seen in IL, but its fairly common in MI

[nastynotchback1]

race gas out of the pump in my area is not the same as race gas you buy at a dragstrip or race track.it is unleaded and usally 110 at the pump is like 107 octane.

as far as the comment about vp not being better than sunoco well that comment is just a joke.sunoco is the worst fuel ever.i pay 7.00 a gal for vp-c16 and that is the averege price around here.c-16 = 117 octane.just my little .02

[UglyMotha™]

Originally posted by nastynotchback1
race gas out of the pump is not the same as race gas you buy at a dragstrip or race track.it is unleaded and usally 110 at the pump is like 107 octane.



nope, race gas out of the pump is the same :huh


i buy 76 112 it is leaded and true to it's octane rating from perkins fuel depot here where i live from the pump for 4.25 a gallon, same exact stuff that is taken drag strips and race tracks :o


most gas stations in my area that carry race gas has it shipped there but it is then marked up quite a bit

[brif]

We used to have race gas locally(turbo blue) and it was at the pump. The only thing with it at the pump is it's easier to dispence and you're usually not allowed to pump it into anything other than a gas can( can't pull up and pump into a street vehicle tank). Some places sell it in smaller quanities so they usually sell it out of their own drum it's still the same fuel and as far as someone saying the stuff at the pump is a lower octane is a misinformed individual. The fuel must meet a minimum octane of which is posted on the drum. As far as Vp, cam2, turbo blue, sunoco,and the others which can vary by your location are pretty close for the purposes which we use it for. Also if you're mixing it with premium you should buy whatever you can get for the cheapest because you're diluting it anyway or run a stronger mix or whole and probly be better off. Around here it's about $4.50/gal last I heard but last year when up at silver lake at a gas station they had race gas for $3.50 or so a gallon and was alittle higher at DAR at the dunes. good luck.........

[adeptex]

"as far as the comment about vp not being better than sunoco well that comment is just a joke.sunoco is the worst fuel ever.i pay 7.00 a gal for vp-c16 and that is the averege price around here.c-16 = 117 octane.just my little .02"



A joke? I can't feel any difference. Can you? Got some dyno #'s or maybe some product specs that prove your point? We were comparing c-12 to Sonoco purple.

If it better, is it twice as good?

[RMX500]

you want crazy? I've seen a quad with some sort of motorcycle chassis and oversized motor running on JP-4. Now that's scary.

[Berry]

QUAD with a MOTORCYCLE chasis?? lmao i dont know if thats possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW do you know what chasis is??????

[RMX500]

it wasn't so much a full chassis but it had a motorcycle sized motor and a frame to boot. it had an ATV swingarm and a-arms nonetheless.

i was wondering what the hell allowed it to run JP-4/5

[250rpilot]

quadjunkies, vp sells race gas in 5, 30, and 55 gallon drums. any vp distributor can get the 30 gallon drums if they want to. it is cheaper by the 55 though...

55 at my dealer is 340, 30 is around 200, 5's are 40.

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by ZRider400
i was told the same thing

dark containers better....... keep out of sunlight and keep in a cool spot. :D :D

[nastynotchback1]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
nope, race gas out of the pump is the same :huh




dude it is not legall to sell leaded gas for on road use.race fuel is LEADED.:D

[parkers30]

thats why you can't pump it into you car, it can still come out of the pump, it just goes into a can or a race car or quad or something

[nastynotchback1]

Originally posted by adeptex
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A joke? I can't feel any difference. Can you? Got some dyno #'s or maybe some product specs that prove your point? We were comparing c-12 to Sonoco purple.

If it better, is it twice as good? [/B]

it is not a power issue between the 2 brands.i've got a coupe(mustang) with a trickflow headed 396 in it.it runs 5.70's in the 1/8th mile on spray.tell me why it will burn plugs with sunoco gas but i can switch to vp and never burn a plug.burning plugs is one step before burning up the pistons and possible the heads so i think paying twice as much for fuel is worth it when it is proven to be better.if you want specs then pm me and i will dig some up.:D ;)

[nastynotchback1]

Originally posted by parkers30
thats why you can't pump it into you car, it can still come out of the pump, it just goes into a can or a race car or quad or something

thats my point.here you can pump it in your car at the pump.look i am not just stabbing in the dark.i have a drag car and the quad that i race and have done alot of research on race gas.the gas in the local pump here is unleaded race fuel.

[UglyMotha™]

yes it is leaded and it is pump, have you ever heard of a gas can, little thingy used for transporting gas :huh

it's perfectly legal to pump it in that, it is illegal to pump directly into your vehicle

[nastynotchback1]

can you not freaking read what i just posted.i know for a FACT that it is unleaded and that you can pump it right into your cars gas tank.

[adeptex]

Here are the specs for Sonoco purple;
Post the specs for VP fuel and then explain why you run lean on one and not the other.


Fuel Property Typical Specifications Specific Gravity 0.725 Antiknock Index (R+M)/2 110 RON, Research Octane 115 MON, Motor Octane 105 Reid Vapor Pressure 8 Distillation, º F Initial Boiling Point 90 10% Evaporation 160 50% Evaporation 220 90% Evaporation 260 Final Boiling Point 360 Oxidation Stability, Min 1440+ Copper Strip Corrosion No. 1 Existent Gum, mg/100ml 1 Leaded yes
For Off-road Use Only Color Purple Oxygen, Vol % -

[foleyit]

Originally posted by BLURR250X
Yes C-12 is very expensive in local ATV shops. I paid just under $9.00 a gallon last week for some. I deff. need to figure something out. What other size drums do they sell VP in?

You can get VP fuel in VP drums sizes 5, 15, 30, and 55 gallon.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by 250rpilot
quadjunkies, vp sells race gas in 5, 30, and 55 gallon drums. any vp distributor can get the 30 gallon drums if they want to. it is cheaper by the 55 though...

55 at my dealer is 340, 30 is around 200, 5's are 40. Thank you for that info!!! this drum will give me a good idea what to buy next time.....;) as for why we run VP c12, it comes higly reccomended for the Preddys mods, and we have been happy with it,so we stick with it........:)

[UglyMotha™]

Originally posted by nastynotchback1
can you not freaking read what i just posted.i know for a FACT that it is unleaded and that you can pump it right into your cars gas tank.



oh ok i'm sorry my bad it just says leaded on it for the hell of it then :rolleyes:

[Natertot426ex]

I buy race gas out of the pump, It has a nozzle the size of large banana, that is so you can't pump it into your car. Plus it is in plain sight of the cashier and you have to fill out a slip saying you aren't going to use it in your vehicle.

[nastynotchback1]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
oh ok i'm sorry my bad it just says leaded on it for the hell of it then :rolleyes:

i didnt know you came down to SC and bought your gas.so i guess you know what we have in the pump here.


here are the fuel specs from vp
API Specific Gravity 68.7
Specific Gravity 709
Distillation Curve
Initial Boiling Point 98
10% 129
20%
30%
40%
50% 196
60%
70%
80%
90% 218
95%
End Point 240
Recovery,
Loss, %
Residue, %
Color green
Corrosion 1a
Gum, mg <1
Phosphorous, 0
Oxidation Stability, Minutes 1440+
Sulphur, Weight % <.001
Temp @ V \ L =20 136
Reid Vapor Pressure, lbs 7.75
BTU's per pound 18834
Motor Octane Number 108
Research Octane Number 110
R+M / 2 109

[nastynotchback1]

here ya go ugly.here is a link to the msds sheet for vp unleaded racing fuel:D :D


http://www.vpracingfuels.com/msds-unleaded.html

[sparky450AR]

i get 115 octane out of the pump for around 3.50....

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by nastynotchback1
here ya go ugly.here is a link to the msds sheet for vp unleaded racing fuel:D :D


http://www.vpracingfuels.com/msds-unleaded.html

hmm....SHUTDOWN!!...lol

I actually didnt know they made high octane unleaded though.

[nastynotchback1]

i'm not trying to make a fool aout of anyone just proving the point that they make 110 unleaded and it is in the pump here.


115 for 3.50 is awsome

[UglyMotha™]

Originally posted by nastynotchback1
here ya go ugly.here is a link to the msds sheet for vp unleaded racing fuel:D :D


http://www.vpracingfuels.com/msds-unleaded.html



shutdown, how :confused:

what do i need with msds sheet for vp fuel :huh

i never asked for it and i don't run it, i run 76

i just said you can by leaded racing fuel here from the pump and you carried on to say that's not actually leaded fuel so i guess you pretty much ate your own comment when you asked me if i've ever came to sc to fuel since you probably haven't came to oh for fuel :rolleyes:

[nastynotchback1]

i went back and looked at what i posted and when i said it was unleaded i ment here it is unleaded.my bad i didnt specifi that.i wrote that post out all wrong.i have been arguing the point that there is a such thing as unleaded fuel and that is not even what you were talking about.sorry dude.i will go back and edit that post.

[UglyMotha™]

good deal just a major misunderstanding http://www.exriders.com/vbb/images/icons/icon14.gif

[parkers30]

got a little heated for a while, but it all good now :D

[nastynotchback1]

some times i jump the gun :( :D

[Dunesurfer]

Hi Tina,
As long as the fuel is in the drum it will keep fine. If you remove it from the drum and put it in a container that the sun penetraits it will loss octane. You will be fine. It would appear you are paying a lot for it though. I buy 112 leaded out of the drum , five gal for $22.

[max400EX]

Store in a metal container (dark) out of sunlight and on top of gravel so oxygen gets to the bottom of the container.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Dunesurfer
Hi Tina,
As long as the fuel is in the drum it will keep fine. If you remove it from the drum and put it in a container that the sun penetraits it will loss octane. You will be fine. It would appear you are paying a lot for it though. I buy 112 leaded out of the drum , five gal for $22. for what they charge or fuel here...thats a good price.....:o if you go to the Yami shop...they wanted.......are you ready for this........................56.00 for 5 gal.!!!!!:eek:
Someones SERIOUSLY getting raped!!!:p
5 gal. ruins us around 35.00-39.00(I cant remember for certain since prices went up) and a 55 drum is 340.00 here..He only pours and mixes as needed.....Thanks for the info Tony on storage.........;)

[smith_400ex_213]

what octane level is turbo blue

[hondafox440]

Don't store gas too long in a plastic container - keep it in metal. it will last about 3 or 4 months in metal and 1-2 in plastic..