Burgard a-arms are now on EX But I need help with something**PICS**

[Greg Z]

http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0002.JPG Did i put my top a-arms on right?


now heres another question we were adjusting the tierods for 3 hours and Couldnt to know why.. this happens

when the some one sits on it and ZPS is used... its fine

http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0003.JPG



BUT when no one sits on it and lift up the front end so there is NO zps being used.. the tires go INWARD

http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0004.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0005.JPG

There is no more threads on the tierod to even be used any more to adjust... can any one help me out?

[Fuchs42]

Lol. That's how zps works. You dont steer in the air anyhow nor do you need to be wide in the air.

[redroost85]

LOL....good call Pete!:)

Don't worry Greg...it is a common misconception. I too thought of the same thing when I first learned of ZPS.

All is well friend.;)

[Florida400EX]

crap, those +2's look WIDE! I have a similar setup, and I'm lookin for +2's, how much better is the handling?

[Paul400ex2002]

you have the ball joints on the spindles on the wrong side, they are supposed to be on the bottom with the nut on the top. I'm of course talking about the tierod balljoints, everything else looks good as far as i can tell.

[Greg Z]

there +3's :)

btw guys no.... I know how ZPS works.. BUT It should bring the Tires IN to an angle from | to / .. but i think the problem is because I put the tierod balljoint wrong as seen in the first pic ;) its suppost to go under the hub (thanks for the call rippen)

Zps brings the quad down 3 inches once sit on.. and once you get off.. but when u pull the quad up the ZPS goes up and does not sit that 3 inch lower that it did.... BUT ZPS shouldnt at all change the tire alighnment that DRASTICALLY from | | to \ /

get it?

[R3Concepts]

OK.. like Paul said the tie rod ends are suppose to be under the knuckle, next all the tie rods do is adjust " toe in and toe out" meaning the front of the tire. Take 2 straight egdes and hold them on the outside of the tires, then take 2 tape measures and meausre across the front and the back of the tire. one coming from each side. it should be "toed in" 1/8-1/4 inch. so the front will be narrower then the back. It looks to me like you have more of a caster camber angle issue to me. If they came preset that can be good and bad, remember all frames arent the same. The camber should be set at around 4-6 degrees negative camber. It looks like they used solid mounts for the tops so your SOL on caster adjustments. If you need more info on how to adjust the camber on the bike PM me and i can tell you more.

#469 426ex

[Greg Z]

http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0007.JPG the right side

the left side

http://www.freewebs.com/whatwouldyoudiefor/myquad/burgardarms/100%5F0012.JPG


did i put on the top a-arms wrong?

[CowsBitePeople]

they look right to me:macho i think it is supposed to go towards the front more from the back, did u fix the tie rod ends? did that fix ur problem??

[Greg Z]

no i didnt fix the tierod just yet to tired:o

[2k2-300exnj]

first off the tie rods wont correct castor.... only toe... the tires should be toed in a very little bit to help steer... only do it to a barely noticable set up
also dont count threads messure no a-arms are going to be exactly the same...
run a little negative castor also so the tires are in between / and | it will help steer a lot.... make sure the zps spring is compressed when dialing in... and the zps should compress with just the quads weight not when some one sits on it only...

[R3Concepts]

That looks like the same exact thing as I said earlier in this thread. HMM

[2k2-300exnj]

not exactly i tried to make it as simple as possible for him and i didnt even read your post im sorry if u think im "biting" off your post or something

[redrunner]

I definetly would think about re routing those lines, one good rock will pinch that off against the front of your arms.:eek:

[Doibugu2]

Originally posted by redrunner
I definetly would think about re routing those lines, one good rock will pinch that off against the front of your arms.:eek:

The brake lines should be behind the shocks.

Also, because you installed the spindles on the wrong side, your going to have to flip your brake calipers too. Looks like you got more work ahead of you.:eek2: Sorry.

[redrunner]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
The brake lines should be behind the shocks.

Also, because you installed the spindles on the wrong side, your going to have to flip your brake calipers too. Looks like you got more work ahead of you.:eek2: Sorry.

I was thinking something looks a little odd from those top pics too. It look like those spindles were way forward camber wise.
Oh well practice makes perfect.;)

[Greg Z]

Originally posted by Doibugu2
The brake lines should be behind the shocks.

Also, because you installed the spindles on the wrong side, your going to have to flip your brake calipers too. Looks like you got more work ahead of you.:eek2: Sorry. I have them in the front so they dont move around.. also your wrong .. the spindles are on the right way unfortuantly

[James Parent]

How wide is your quad now? inches

[Greg Z]

Originally posted by James Parent
How wide is your quad now? inches there 52.. I need to get 4+1 rims to sit right under 50:blah:

[Paul400ex2002]

Originally posted by Greg Z
there 52.. I need to get 4+1 rims to sit right under 50:blah:

you should be under 50 with stock 400ex rims... My 416 with me on was under 50" at the glen helen national, not by much, but it was. That was with stock rims, kenda mxf's, lonestar dc-4s, and pep lt zps shocks, and it was at normal sag that we always ran for any race. i know 2 of my teammates had to jack their bikes up to get them to pass tech. Mine sat at 49.5ish with no rider on it.

[boogiechile]

stock rims are right at 4+1, remember that all +3 arms are not the same width. One brand could be half inch or more different from another brand.

[R3Concepts]

Very true I run +3 arms and 3+2 wheels and im right at 49 inches, not no 52 like the guy above said.