Groupbuy interest in Ross pistons

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

I would like to know if you people would be interested in a group buy on the ross piston kits. There would have to be a minimum of 20 pistons sold and the order would go in all at the same time.
This would only be on 400ex pistons from std to 89mm
The price would be $105 for the std,406,416,426 with out sleeve. That would include piston, rings, circlips, and piston pin. I am still working on the 440 kit price and the 426with sleeve price.

If I get some good feedback then we will do this for you members.

[SHANE03EX]

I would be interested in a 416. Could it be a 10.8 comp piston or is it only for 11.0 comp or........?

[Juggalo]

i'd be interested in that deal

[TORO1968]

I'd be interested in either a stock bore or 416 piston! :)

[Braff1]

What are the compression ratio options for the 406 kit

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

std - 10.5:1
406 - 10.6:1
416 - 10.8:1
426 - 11.1:1
440 - 11.2:1

[Juggalo]

yeah i'll def take a 416 if we can get this deal! try making this thread sticky or somethin!

[busch light]

I'd be in for 416.......11:1

[excess]

Im in for the 416

[DangerousDean]

oh my, i would lvoe a 416. But i live in canada??
Would i still beable to get one ??



also:what do i need to make mine a 416? jsut the sleeve right ?

[nikejoe]

I'd be interested in a 416. I hear ross is the big thing now!
How soon would you be doing this?

[Juggalo]

Originally posted by DangerousDean
oh my, i would lvoe a 416. But i live in canada??
Would i still beable to get one ??



also:what do i need to make mine a 416? jsut the sleeve right ?

you'll just need to have the sleeve bored you won't need to buy a whole new sleeve.

my friend crazy casey may be interested in buying a piston too. most likely he will be

[bman13]

I'll take a 416 as well. Could u pm me on shipping costs to Canada? Area code is S0K4S0. Might be interested in a cam as well.

[andrew360]

I'm in for the 416......

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
std - 10.5:1
406 - 10.6:1
416 - 10.8:1
426 - 11.1:1
440 - 11.2:1

are these the only ones you can get or the only ones for the listed price?? just wondering because i am near positive my 406 is a 10.8:1 that i got from you.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
std - 10.5:1
406 - 10.6:1
416 - 10.8:1
426 - 11.1:1
440 - 11.2:1
If these are the only combinations availible, i'm thinking of the 416:)

[atl_josh]

how big of a difference is there between a 416 and a stock? and what all would have to be added and done to get this to work?

[EXrider65]

I'm in for a 416 kit @ $105.

[SHANE03EX]

BUMP

We need a few more peeps so we can get this deal.

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Sounds like we have some interest.

As for freight You will be charged what I get charged from UPS. If you are in Canada I will ship through the post office.

Those are the compression ratios that ross offers.

if you are needing gaskets add $40 for the cometic steel flex gasket kit.

if you are needing a cam we will offer the Hotcam stg 1 or 2 for $120

We recommend with the 426 that you resleeve the cylinder

We will offer the 440 and 426 kit with sleeve and gaskets for $210

I will start taking orders now 4-7-04 and end on 4-21-04 so that I can ship the pistons to you on 4-28 or 4-29

REMEMBER WE MUST HAVE 20 OR MORE PISTONS SOLD

This is only for the 400ex also

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
Sounds like we have some interest.

As for freight You will be charged what I get charged from UPS. If you are in Canada I will ship through the post office.

Those are the compression ratios that ross offers.

if you are needing gaskets add $40 for the cometic steel flex gasket kit.

if you are needing a cam we will offer the Hotcam stg 1 or 2 for $120

We recommend with the 426 that you resleeve the cylinder

We will offer the 440 and 426 kit with sleeve and gaskets for $210

I will start taking orders now 4-7-04 and end on 4-21-04 so that I can ship the pistons to you on 4-28 or 4-29

REMEMBER WE MUST HAVE 20 OR MORE PISTONS SOLD

This is only for the 400ex also


you wouldn't know if these ratios are using stock gasket or the thinner gaskets would you?

[esegman]

I will definately be interested in this deal for the 416 if I end up keeping my 400. I am still awaiting orders as I am in the military. If I stay here in the States I will be keeping my 400. If not I will have to sell it. Hopefully I will know by the end of the month.

[hawiianpwr]

I'm put me down for the 416 with the gasket kit:)

[SHANE03EX]

As long as we can get enough people to get this deal I will definatley buy a 416 with gasket set and hotcams stage 2.

[busch light]

me too!

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

You guys can start placing orders now I won't know a head count untill you guys actually place an order with shipping info and method of payment. You won't be charged untill the order ships.

When I get orders I will post how many.

[quadkrazy400ex]

put me in for the 416 kit with gaskets

how do we order?
put me down for one

[Spikers400]

Ill take a std bore 10.5:1. Let me know when i should pay. THanks

[quadkrazy400ex]

i sent an email but when do i pay and how....also to who

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by *********400ex
i sent an email but when do i pay and how....also to who


all you need to do is call them up. they are the site sponsor. the # is floating around this site. it is 308-696-7805

[Chanman420q]

damn, a day to late, if i woulda known about this 5 days ago i would of bought the ross, already ordered my JE tho :(

[Pritchettk]

Why does everyone like the 416 so much? Whats the difference in performance between the 416 and the 440 kits? I will prolly end up buying one also.

[quadkrazy400ex]

because the 416 is reliable and gives you awesome power over stock. if you go with the 440, the cylinder walls will be thinner than the 416, causing overheating problems. along with that you risk pulling the studs.

[HiZ]

Here is a link that may help tell you the differance between the displacements

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101429

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
This would only be on 400ex pistons from std to 89mm
The price would be $105 for the std,406,416,426 with out sleeve.

What is the normal non-group-buy price?

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by atl_josh
how big of a difference is there between a 416 and a stock? and what all would have to be added and done to get this to work?



your pm box is full. delete the inbox and sent items boxes.

yes, just call up C&D and they will be able to hook you up. silverfox is the owner of C&D. i think that is where your getting confused.

[iride440ex]

Originally posted by thejeepdude
What is the normal non-group-buy price?

I paid $125 directly from Ross I got the 416 piston And I think it pulls harder than my 440 kit did. you guy's are getting a he!! of a deal and I am very happy with the Ross piston. :D

[atl_josh]

I want the 416 kit. pm me on what to do. thanks

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

So far we have 2 orders

If you would like to place an order you can call 308-696-7805 or you can email cdracing@atcjet.net or you can pm me the info.

Payment method can be
visa,mastercard,discover, or money order.

[WhiteBros400ex]

I might be in if my money order gets here from the shocks i sold:)

[atl_josh]

u have pm silver

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Update:
As of right now 4-9-04 we have 7 orders

[TX400ex-250r]

I want one
416

[Matt400ex_17]

I will be interested in a 416 but give me a couple weeks to know for sure.

[trx99400ex]

If you order a 416 kit, can you use your stock sleeve and get it bored? Or do you have to buy a new sleeve?

[livealatimmy]

You can use your stock sleeve

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Another update :)

as of 4-12-04 there has been 9 pistons sold.

[Quadzilla]

Some of you may want to think about ordering the lighter, stronger optional pin for the piston. Lighter pin = less mass which = quicker reving.

From Ross's site:

ROSS has the ultimate in strong, light, high quality tool steel pins which are 20% stronger then the more common H-11 pins.

CAUTION: The use of tool steel pins which are too thin can cause broken rod eyes and cracked piston pin bosses. Under no circumstances should pins of less than .120 wall thickness be used in circle track cars or other endurance applications. Do not use tool steel pins in a press fit or street application.

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by Quadzilla
ROSS has the ultimate in strong, light, high quality tool steel pins which are 20% stronger then the more common H-11 pins.


Hey Silver... how much are these?

[hawiianpwr]

yeah you can keep the stock sleeve

[3x440ex]

I'll take 2 of the 416 pistons....I'll will call you tomorrow. Plus i will need 2 Hot cams stage 2 and 1 HMF slip on.

[400EXrider77]

i might be interested in a 416 kit (gotta talk to my dad) but do i need to use the gasket kit or is it only if the old ones are shot or does it give you a compression increase or something like that? thanks in advance

[Braff1]

As a rule of thumb it is better to replace the head gasket any time you pull the head off. When you tighten the head down it will crush into the gasket making a seal. If you try to reuse the gasket it may not line up perfectly and leak or blow out.

[cals400ex]

i assume this deal doens't include higher compression pistons?? if i could get somewhere around a 12:1-12.5:1 426 or so i would be interested.

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

sorry Ross doesn't offer higher than 11.2
the only thing would be the JE in a 12.:1 416 or a 13:1 in a 426 you would have to get a stronger rod and run race fuel.

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
sorry Ross doesn't offer higher than 11.2
the only thing would be the JE in a 12.:1 416 or a 13:1 in a 426 you would have to get a stronger rod and run race fuel.

oh, i didn't know the ross's didn't go that high. also, i thought you could cut them to your desired ratio for a little extra $. thanks

[400EXrider77]

how much power would i be looking at with a 416 kit and stage 1 cam?

[Florida400EX]

ok, so when I order the 416 and gasket kit, i get all I need to intall it, I just need to take it to my sleeve to the local shop to get bored to what MM?

thanks!

[whiteboarder]

do you have to use that gasket set to get the right compression or can i just go to my local dealer and get the two gaskets i need. also about how much is it to get the sleeve bored

[Braff1]

when you get your piston, take the cylinder to your local machine shop and have them bore the cylinder to the size of the piston. This will ensure a good fit.

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by whiteboarder
do you have to use that gasket set to get the right compression or can i just go to my local dealer and get the two gaskets i need. also about how much is it to get the sleeve bored

if you want the listed ratio, you will need the thinner gaskets from what i read unless ross pistons are different from others. however, xr 400 gaskets would work better than stock to raise the compression a bit.

[3x440ex]

I spoke with silverfox on the phone and she said if you buy the thinner gaskets for the 416 it would raise the compression to 11.2 to 1 she thought that is what ross told her.

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by 3x440ex
I spoke with silverfox on the phone and she said if you buy the thinner gaskets for the 416 it would raise the compression to 11.2 to 1 she thought that is what ross told her.


if that is the case then ross builds their pistons for a 400ex and not the xr 400 or the ratings would be too high when put in the xr400. i am not sure though.

[baldyex]

guys read under tech articles from mikckey dunlop about installing sleeves and compression ratios that will help explain what is recquired for each kit ie how much ya can bore stock or what the compresion ratio ends up at just a piece of advice

[nikejoe]

Silverfox,
Is the gasket kit a thin enough gasket to give you the true compression ratios. What about an xr400 gasket? How much would it be? I just want to make sure I will be getting the correct one to give me advertised compression ratios. Also how many orders do you have now? I should be placing mine tomorrow for a 416. But how many do you have in hand? Thank You!

[Quadzilla]

I am certainly not calling Silver a liar (so PLEASE don't take it that way), but when I called Ross to order my piston, Ispoke to "Honda Jim" who is in charge of their motorcycle pistons. He told me at that time (3 months ago) that the piston compression was rated for the XR's and that I would have to use XR gaskets to get the advertised compression ratio. Maybe this has changed in the past 3 months, not sure. I went to Ross's website and looked at their online catalog. There is no listing for an EX piston, just XR which would lead me to believe that they are the same piston which substantiates my conversation with Jim.

The only "wildcard" could be that the Cometic gaskets could effect this. Dusty told me that they come in regular and thin sizes. If the "thin" is thinner than an stock XR gasket, this could raise the compression to higher than advertised on the piston. Does anybody here know if the thin Cometics are thinner than a stock XR gasket? Thanks!

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

We have the cometic custom made and they are thinner than the xr gaskets.

[Colby@C&DRacing]

The thinner head gaskets that I sell are thinner than the xr gaskets by 8 thousands and 18 thousands thinner than the 400ex gasket. I also provide a thinner base gasket to change the squish area for better burn and cooling this also helps to raise the compression the base is 8 thousands thinner than stock. So yes with our thinner gasket kit you will have more than the advertised comp ratio.

[thejeepdude]

Colby, so with those thin gaskets and the 416 piston, is pump gas still feasible? All we have in CA is 91. Or is 93+ required?

[Colby@C&DRacing]

I would not recommend pump gas with the thinner gaskets at your location you are close to sea level and need better fuel. I recommend nothing less than premium fuel for any of these pistons but requirements are different for each bike due to conditions and altitude

[SHANE03EX]

So how many orders have been placed?

[cals400ex]

i think i will place an order too. i bet my friend will get one as well but i haven't talked to him about it yet. when do they need to be placed by??


so are the cosmetic gaskets that i currently have from you for my 406 the same ones you talking about that are thinner than the xr gaskets? if that was even a complete sentence. :huh

[SHANE03EX]

SILVER SAIID I will start taking orders now 4-7-04 and end on 4-21-04 so that I can ship the pistons to you on 4-28 or 4-29

REMEMBER WE MUST HAVE 20 OR MORE PISTONS SOLD

[atl_josh]

How much is the original price oft he 416 piston kit form ross if we donnt get the group buy deal? I am ready to get mine ready.:devil:

[whiteboarder]

the original price is $125

[Quadzilla]

If you are interested in the lighter pin for the Ross pistons, here is the part number:

787-10-23c

Dimensions .787x.100x2.350

"Honda Jim" at Ross says that is saves about 10 grams (or maybe it was 5 grams not sure, he said about the weight of 2 - nickles out of your pocket) vs the one that comes with the piston and is stronger. I got one :-)))

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Quadzilla
If you are interested in the lighter pin for the Ross pistons, here is the part number:

787-10-23c

Dimensions .787x.100x2.350

"Honda Jim" at Ross says that is saves about 10 grams vs the one that comes with the piston and is stronger. I got one :-)))


dusty, can you get these pins or only the regular ones??

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by cals400ex
dusty, can you get these pins or only the regular ones??

Yeah, and how much do they normally run?

[Quadzilla]

I think but not positive that they are roughly $35. My builder got it along with my piston, cam, etc ,etc ,etc so I don't have it broken out to that level. C & D should be able to get you the cost from Ross....

[BIGRED400]

Originally posted by Colby@C&DRacing
The thinner head gaskets that I sell are thinner than the xr gaskets by 8 thousands and 18 thousands thinner than the 400ex gasket. I also provide a thinner base gasket to change the squish area for better burn and cooling this also helps to raise the compression the base is 8 thousands thinner than stock. So yes with our thinner gasket kit you will have more than the advertised comp ratio.

[quadkrazy400ex]

Originally posted by Quadzilla
If you are interested in the lighter pin for the Ross pistons, here is the part number:

787-10-23c

Dimensions .787x.100x2.350

"Honda Jim" at Ross says that is saves about 10 grams (or maybe it was 5 grams not sure, he said about the weight of 2 - nickles out of your pocket) vs the one that comes with the piston and is stronger. I got one :-)))


on ross racing sight i couldnt find the pin your talking about i found one with the part #787-01-23C is that the right one ?

[Quadzilla]

Nope,

The pin wall on that one if you look at it is .120 The one that I got was a "tool steel" pin and not under "standard pins" like the one you saw and is .100 thick (vs .120). They don't show the part number of the one that I have on the website, but they got them if you call! :D :D

[whiteboarder]

when it is .040 what is the ccs also what is a 416 and a 440

[quadkrazy400ex]

Originally posted by Quadzilla
Nope,

The pin wall on that one if you look at it is .120 The one that I got was a "tool steel" pin and not under "standard pins" like the one you saw and is .100 thick (vs .120). They don't show the part number of the one that I have on the website, but they got them if you call! :D :D



how much was it..thats the only reason i wanted to look for it on the site

[Quadzilla]

Don't know because I paid for it along with a bunch of other parts (piston, cam, etc ,etc) and labor (boring, porting, disassembly, assembly, etc) all in one lump sum and a couple of trades, etc. Not your everyday deal. I traded him 1 PW 50 and one TriZinger 60 that both needed a fair amount of TLC and a little cash to make this happen. He did not itemize the bill for me so I don't know what I or he paid for it. Call Ross and they will tell you.

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by whiteboarder
when it is .040 what is the ccs also what is a 416 and a 440

.040 is a 406
.080 is a 416
.120 is a 426

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

As of 4-19-04 we have 15 pistons sold.

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
As of 4-19-04 we have 15 pistons sold.


i will take a ross 426 with ross sleeve. if you need me to call i can.

[nikejoe]

Silverfox,
You have a pm regarding my order. Thanks Again!:blah:

[SHANE03EX]

Its almost the 21st...............did we sell enough pistons????????

[quadkrazy400ex]

i hope so

[livealatimmy]

I ordered one on 4/20/03 and Colby said that he belives he has 20. He said they had 15 or 16 that he knew ofand if he needed to he would bring in the other 4 if he had to just for stock

[nikejoe]

So is the order being placed today??? I can't wait to get my stuff!
I just hope we did get enough sold! PLease let us know asap! The suspense is killin me!:blah: :p :blah: Thanks!

[quadkrazy400ex]

me too i want to get mine done so i can beat my step-dads raptor!!(with some other mods):D :blah:

[Craig02]

I am interested in a 416 and possibly a 440 if the offer still stands.

[nikejoe]

Hello! We need some feedback! Has the group order been placed? We need an UPDATE on what is going on! PLEASE!!!:confused:

[quadkrazy400ex]

Whats the deal C&D? Not to be naggy or anything, but i was

wondering if i will be recieving the 416 kit i ordered with the group.

[cals400ex]

guys, the orders are going thru. they are just a little busy and tied up with some things. i'm sure they will come on and tell what is going on and when they plan on shipping. they will take care of you. :)

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

I have been contimplating weather or not to go ahead with this. There were 18 pistons sold and 3 people backed out (and I wonder why I cringe when we offer group buys). I don't want to leave the people that did participate hanging so we will go ahead and get them ordered.


Thanks Cal for settling them down, I have been under the weather or should I say loopy from the pain medicine from my broken arm. I did not forget about you just trying to decide what to do since we did not sell 20 pistons.

[cals400ex]

does the arm seem to be getting any better yet? you needed surgery didn't you? get well soon.

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Originally posted by cals400ex
does the arm seem to be getting any better yet? you needed surgery didn't you? get well soon.

Thanks for asking, I think it felt better before they put pins in it. I go to the doctor on Wednesday to see what they actually did to me. (I have no idea I was druged and put under :huh )

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
Thanks for asking, I think it felt better before they put pins in it. I go to the doctor on Wednesday to see what they actually did to me. (I have no idea I was druged and put under :huh )

oh, you got to love that. :eek:

good luck with the recovery.

[quadkrazy400ex]

when can i expect the kit from the group buy?

[Spikers400]

What the heck, im getting pissed. you arent returning my pms. Ur websites not working, whats going on. Its been a month scince ive sent the money to you....... Im begining to regret doing this group buy crap. LET ME KNOW WHATS GOING ON

[Chanman420q]

is it to late to get in on this? ill need the piston next week though

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Originally posted by Spikers400
What the heck, im getting pissed. you arent returning my pms. Ur websites not working, whats going on. Its been a month scince ive sent the money to you....... Im begining to regret doing this group buy crap. LET ME KNOW WHATS GOING ON

We are very busy people if you need information that bad then call the phone # at the top of the page.

You need you appreciate that this group buy even went through, as stated we needed 20 pistons sold and only 15 were purchased we picked up the rest so that the members could benefit from the savings.

I was under the assumption that Ross would ship all of them at once I recieved 7 pistons and those that did not order gaskets have gotten theirs, cometic is behind on gasket production which has delayed shipping of the pistons. I hope to ship them early this week.

I would like to thank those that are being patient

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

Here is another update

Looks like the rest of the pistons will be here wednesday or thursday and same with the gaskets as soon as they show up they will be shipped.

Since this has taken longer than expected those of you that ordered piston, gaskets and or cam will receive free freight and those of you that have other items we will cover half of the freight.

Thanks again for being patient.

[KASCHAK]

hrm... guess im to late to benifit from this?

if im not would a 416 pison work in a XR400R ?

if i cant benifit how much is one from c&d

[pnut420]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
Here is another update

Looks like the rest of the pistons will be here wednesday or thursday and same with the gaskets as soon as they show up they will be shipped.

Since this has taken longer than expected those of you that ordered piston, gaskets and or cam will receive free freight and those of you that have other items we will cover half of the freight.

Thanks again for being patient.

Thats really cool you guys are doing that.

If its not to late I might get in on this as long as I could get the piston pretty quick.

[quadkrazy400ex]

well i got my piston and gasket kit today, thanks for the free shipping and offering the group buy. i hope to do more business with you guys in the future.

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

glad that it showed up :D

All of them should be gone but 2 Joex and 3x440ex

Joex do you want std or thin gaskets, I was an idiot and did not write it down..


We would like to thank those that participated in the group buy and for helping us support exriders.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by Silverfox@C&DRacing
glad that it showed up :D

All of them should be gone but 2 Joex and 3x440ex

Joex do you want std or thin gaskets, I was an idiot and did not write it down..


We would like to thank those that participated in the group buy and for helping us support exriders.
Your not the idiot, I didn't specify;)

What are advantages and disadvantages of each? I suppose I could do a search.......:p

[livealatimmy]

Just to let ya'll know i got the 416 piston and that thing rocks. I will be contacting you guys soon for some prices on paddles for my bike since I am going to Little Sahara the end of September

Thanks again for the deal:D

[400ex men]

me to but not now

[Flip_SideEX]

Silverfox, you should do this deal again. It was a good idea and I would be in on the deal this time cause i missed out last time.

[Toadz400]

I'd also be interested in a 416 w/ Stage 2 cam...

[LaSalleKid]

I also am late on this offer. If its still possible, I would like a 14:1 piston, and a pair of cams for my Yfz.

[Kilabanshee]

Ide be interested in a 426 piston for a 400ex. I haven't had a chance to read the whole tread but if you have any left Iam very interested.

[Silverfox@C&DRacing]

This is an old thread I don't think we will get 20 pistons sold right now but we may look into doing another group buy on piston kits more towards winter.

But if you are needing piston kits now don't hesitate to call.